Ring Of Honor has always been known as the biggest of the "underground independents" and they will have a tonne of tape of old bouts from the likes of Samoa Joe, Brian Danielson, CM Punk, Kevin Steen, El Generico, Tyler Black, but also a lot tape covering Young Bucks, Hangman Page, reDRagon, Adam Cole and quite a few of their current roster too.
It's a move that will garner a lot of good will in the industry, and I'd imagine ROH will be rebooted as either a developmental for AEW, or as a second company that focuses more on technical wrestling, with the "Pure" match rules gimmick
The worst thing the WWE ever did was the idea of developmental on major TV networks. NXT wasn't developmental at the end, it was a third brand in exactly the same way ECW had been.
AEW doing developmental on TV would be a car crash they have too many people that are already on TV and shouldn't be.
I think it's bad for the product the amount of matches they put on you tube.
They have got enough talent to not have people that aren't ready for TV on TV.
Only seen a few matches due to an annoying stream but Punk v MJF and Danielson v Moxley are both must see.
They all beat the absolute shit out of each other, and that crowd just sat there subdued for a lot of it. Baffling.
I know it’s a widely held opinion that AEW bringing in WWE stars holds diminishing returns, but I love the idea of a Regal/Moxley/Danielson ‘evolution’ style faction.
Only seen a few matches due to an annoying stream but Punk v MJF and Danielson v Moxley are both must see.
They all beat the absolute shit out of each other, and that crowd just sat there subdued for a lot of it. Baffling.
I know it’s a widely held opinion that AEW bringing in WWE stars holds diminishing returns, but I love the idea of a Regal/Moxley/Danielson ‘evolution’ style faction.
Could literally hear a pin drop many times throughout the match, proves many of the idiotic fans in attendance just want to watch midgets doing flippy shit.
Only seen a few matches due to an annoying stream but Punk v MJF and Danielson v Moxley are both must see.
They all beat the absolute shit out of each other, and that crowd just sat there subdued for a lot of it. Baffling.
I know it’s a widely held opinion that AEW bringing in WWE stars holds diminishing returns, but I love the idea of a Regal/Moxley/Danielson ‘evolution’ style faction.
Could literally hear a pin drop many times throughout the match, proves many of the idiotic fans in attendance just want to watch midgets doing flippy shit.
I almost preferred Dynamite when there was no reason for me to watch it, so I didn't. I know I am not their original target audience, I get that some people like the gymnastics routines where every finishing move ever invented results in a two count, so they do them on the floor and through tables as well but........
Like I don't mind some of the guys doing it, I would happily watch Fenix and Penta all night, but when someone who's billed as a straight-talking, no bullshit taking cowboy, starts doing Asai Moonsaults, I check out, especially when it's not a once in a blue moon thing, but a thing they pull out every other match.
Seth Rollins does an amazing Phoenix Splash for instance, but has only pulled it out 2 or 3 times, at major PPVs, because it's a special move, and it loses it's effect if performed weekly.
I love what AEW have brought to the table, but I do feel they're up their own asses a lot of the time, and I feel with Adam Cole, reDRagon, Young Bucks, Kenny Omega and the rest, they may have a problem down the road where they are having to create more stars for their brand, but won't step aside for them to grow
Do you think it might be one of the reasons they have to sometimes resort to the extreme stipulations in order to hype a big match? Texas Deathmatch, Exploding Barbed Wire match etc.
Dont get me wrong. I actually like that style of wrestling, but I think it’s largely because I’d become so bored of WWE’s unwillingness to do anything that had any edge to it whatsoever.
There are some high flyers who I actually enjoy, if the flippy shit is something that I think suits their character. Sammy Guevara for example - he strikes me as a persona who would go out of his way to ‘show off’ and to entertain - but he can back it up with a bit of toughness in his character as well.
Darby Allin is also a great example of someone who does the high flying - but in his case it comes across as though he is doing it to try and annihilate someone at the same time. And it works well for him.
Sammy, Allin, the actual Lucha guys, people like Private Party, it fits the personas and the style of wrestling they do. But when you have guys who are billed as being mat wrestlers or technicians, or pure strikers and hoss fighters, when they start to bust out suicide dives and moonsaults and shit, that's where they fall down.
I also feel like their roster overall is on the small side. I'm not going to go all Vinny Mac and say everyone has to be a ripped, roidheaded 7 foot behemoth, but they need a couple more large men I feel
Big fan of AEW, but their roster is huge now. I don't see how they're going to keep everyone happy AND create new stars.
I really hope it doesn't become WCW 2.0, which has always been a concern.
I think, personally, this is their biggest problem. Actually the opposite of what you said. Make stars before you try and make new ones.
They assumed the people that were "over" with the original audience, Omega, Bucks, Cody, Page etc were stars. They weren't, even Cody, they were very popular with a very few number of people. Since they have been on TV the only people they have elevated to be stars are MJF and to a lesser extent Allin.
If you didn't follow ROH, NJPW etc etc and stumbled upon AEW when it first launched you would think who the fuck is this goof and why is he world champion. Until after he won it. Backwards booking.
Big fan of AEW, but their roster is huge now. I don't see how they're going to keep everyone happy AND create new stars.
I really hope it doesn't become WCW 2.0, which has always been a concern.
Maybe that’s where Ring of Honour comes in.
I was thinking about this earlier.....given how good NXT was, I'm really hoping Regal has been bought in to run ROH
Considering the reaction he got on the PPV, I think they have to run the story with Moxley and Danielson with him now.
I’m not too bothered about them growing the roster bigger and bigger. Ultimately there are still a bunch of top guys who are being used really well and the shows are entertaining.
Wrestlers like Keith Lee and Malakai Black might not end up being top guys but they will still be used better here than where they were previously.
Big fan of AEW, but their roster is huge now. I don't see how they're going to keep everyone happy AND create new stars.
I really hope it doesn't become WCW 2.0, which has always been a concern.
Maybe that’s where Ring of Honour comes in.
I was thinking about this earlier.....given how good NXT was, I'm really hoping Regal has been bought in to run ROH
Considering the reaction he got on the PPV, I think they have to run the story with Moxley and Danielson with him now.
I’m not too bothered about them growing the roster bigger and bigger. Ultimately there are still a bunch of top guys who are being used really well and the shows are entertaining.
Wrestlers like Keith Lee and Malakai Black might not end up being top guys but they will still be used better here than where they were previously.
Doubt either will get used as well as they did in NXT. I can see them wrapping up a load of talent, new and present in stables, especially as it seems they can't have enough stables. Black who debuted in July '21 now has 2 others who debuted after him in his team. Seems to be sign talent then think what to do with them afterwards. Even CM Punk was in limbo for a bit and ended up commentating. No idea how they'll use Lee.
Not sure NXT is a fair comparison. The model of NXT meant that every year or so, some top guys would move up to the main roster creating space for people to step up.
NXT also didn’t have the likes CM Punk, MJF, Moxley, Kenny Omega, Chris Jericho.
Not everybody can be on top, that’s just how it is. But if the likes of Black and Lee end up just being solid mid-carders - then so be it.
Strength in depth shouldn’t be considered such a problem for fans/viewers to worry about. To make a Charlton comparison - would we complain if we went and signed 20x Championship quality players in the Summer? I doubt we would.
AEW have been able to take the hit of losing three of their biggest names in Moxley, Omega and Rhodes from TV in recent months and it didn’t feel like the show was lacking in star power at all.
Not sure NXT is a fair comparison. The model of NXT meant that every year or so, some top guys would move up to the main roster creating space for people to step up.
NXT also didn’t have the likes CM Punk, MJF, Moxley, Kenny Omega, Chris Jericho.
Not everybody can be on top, that’s just how it is. But if the likes of Black and Lee end up just being solid mid-carders - then so be it.
Strength in depth shouldn’t be considered such a problem for fans/viewers to worry about. To make a Charlton comparison - would we complain if we went and signed 20x Championship quality players in the Summer? I doubt we would.
AEW have been able to take the hit of losing three of their biggest names in Moxley, Omega and Rhodes from TV in recent months and it didn’t feel like the show was lacking in star power at all.
So you agree they won't be used as well! 😉
Regarding Rhodes, he did some weird promo where he climbed a ladder and referenced the pipe bomb before leaving. Makes me think the whole thing is a work.
As much as i hate the kick out of finishers false finishes in AEW, WWE are also guilty of it. The HHH v The Undetaker 'maina hell in a cell match was just silly.
Not sure NXT is a fair comparison. The model of NXT meant that every year or so, some top guys would move up to the main roster creating space for people to step up.
NXT also didn’t have the likes CM Punk, MJF, Moxley, Kenny Omega, Chris Jericho.
Not everybody can be on top, that’s just how it is. But if the likes of Black and Lee end up just being solid mid-carders - then so be it.
Strength in depth shouldn’t be considered such a problem for fans/viewers to worry about. To make a Charlton comparison - would we complain if we went and signed 20x Championship quality players in the Summer? I doubt we would.
AEW have been able to take the hit of losing three of their biggest names in Moxley, Omega and Rhodes from TV in recent months and it didn’t feel like the show was lacking in star power at all.
This has been a problem, in ever promotion for 30 years. What is a solid mid carder?
A solid mid carder is not what anyone wants to be labelled as. It's the definition of "Meh" you'll be decent in the ring, have a relatively small but loyal fanbase, and a couple of moves that pop a crowd, but you won't have "it". You'll hold the secondary title a couple of times, maybe you'll get put in a tag team and win the belts there too, but you'll be fed to the next big heel or the next face of the company on their way to the top, and you'll always fall just short in tournaments and battle royales. Ultimately you'll have a decent career, but your name never comes up when people talk about hall of famers or legends.
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AEW doing developmental on TV would be a car crash they have too many people that are already on TV and shouldn't be.
I think it's bad for the product the amount of matches they put on you tube.
They have got enough talent to not have people that aren't ready for TV on TV.
Miserably failed at taking a pre show nap, but going to give staying up a shot anyway.
Best Bucks match I have ever seen.....
I know it’s a widely held opinion that AEW bringing in WWE stars holds diminishing returns, but I love the idea of a Regal/Moxley/Danielson ‘evolution’ style faction.
Seth Rollins does an amazing Phoenix Splash for instance, but has only pulled it out 2 or 3 times, at major PPVs, because it's a special move, and it loses it's effect if performed weekly.
I love what AEW have brought to the table, but I do feel they're up their own asses a lot of the time, and I feel with Adam Cole, reDRagon, Young Bucks, Kenny Omega and the rest, they may have a problem down the road where they are having to create more stars for their brand, but won't step aside for them to grow
Dont get me wrong. I actually like that style of wrestling, but I think it’s largely because I’d become so bored of WWE’s unwillingness to do anything that had any edge to it whatsoever.
Darby Allin is also a great example of someone who does the high flying - but in his case it comes across as though he is doing it to try and annihilate someone at the same time. And it works well for him.
I also feel like their roster overall is on the small side. I'm not going to go all Vinny Mac and say everyone has to be a ripped, roidheaded 7 foot behemoth, but they need a couple more large men I feel
I really hope it doesn't become WCW 2.0, which has always been a concern.
They assumed the people that were "over" with the original audience, Omega, Bucks, Cody, Page etc were stars. They weren't, even Cody, they were very popular with a very few number of people. Since they have been on TV the only people they have elevated to be stars are MJF and to a lesser extent Allin.
If you didn't follow ROH, NJPW etc etc and stumbled upon AEW when it first launched you would think who the fuck is this goof and why is he world champion. Until after he won it. Backwards booking.
I’m not too bothered about them growing the roster bigger and bigger. Ultimately there are still a bunch of top guys who are being used really well and the shows are entertaining.
NXT also didn’t have the likes CM Punk, MJF, Moxley, Kenny Omega, Chris Jericho.
Not everybody can be on top, that’s just how it is. But if the likes of Black and Lee end up just being solid mid-carders - then so be it.
Regarding Rhodes, he did some weird promo where he climbed a ladder and referenced the pipe bomb before leaving. Makes me think the whole thing is a work.
As much as i hate the kick out of finishers false finishes in AEW, WWE are also guilty of it. The HHH v The Undetaker 'maina hell in a cell match was just silly.
And why do you want them?