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  • esseffect
    esseffect Posts: 493
    Would love Crowley. Career hasn’t gone exactly as planned though
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    Scoham said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Charltonparklane said:
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
    paulfox said:
    Have to say I’m willing to see if Davison can be good for us, but most of the time I’ve seen him he’s been pretty average to poor. Runs around a lot but quality hasn’t quite been there. 
    Was definitely not ready for Championship football but to be fair he gave West Broms Centre backs a torrid time. 
    He was 19 when last played for us in a complete car crash of a squad.
    He's still now only 21, not many strikers are the finished article by 24/25.

    I'm willing, and quite looking forward to seeing if he can step up.

    Good luck to the lad. 
    Even as a player to come on and relentlessly chase the ball for 20 mins if we are a goal up he could be useful. As others have said he was brilliant against West Brom, on his own up against two CBs who both played regularly in the Prem last season. I think he will be fine at this level and certainly do a job.
    I’m not so convinced - he didn’t stand out in either of his loan spells last season at a lower level, and one game a few years ago doesn’t mean much at all.

    I can though see why it’s difficult to bring in cover for Stockley when the plan will be to start him as much as possible in the league.
    Yeh, very much so.
    How do you convince a striker of any pedigree to come in as backup?
    On the flip side, if by choice or default we give that role to Davison, what happens if Stockley picks up a long-term injury?
    Tough one
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,388
    I’m sure I saw Crowley for Arsenal’s u23s/u21s years ago, watched them against Brighton (friend is a Brighton fan). A small but technical/creative midfielder, like Hakeeb he didn’t do much at Hull, they mainly used it from the bench.

    Still only 23 and another that probably needs the right club to turn his career around, and the type of midfielder we need alongside a couple of pacey wingers.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,339
    A small, technical creative midfielder? Sounds like the kind of player our fans turn on after half a game. Safest to get another Rule Britannia clogger 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,388
    Leuth said:
    A small, technical creative midfielder? Sounds like the kind of player our fans turn on after half a game. Safest to get another Rule Britannia clogger 
    But if he signs we know he’ll always have one big fan, whatever happens :smile:

    Clare doesn’t sound like a clogger even if Dobson is.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,339
    I wasn't saying either of them are cloggers! That remains to be seen ;) 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,893
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Scoham said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Charltonparklane said:
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
    paulfox said:
    Have to say I’m willing to see if Davison can be good for us, but most of the time I’ve seen him he’s been pretty average to poor. Runs around a lot but quality hasn’t quite been there. 
    Was definitely not ready for Championship football but to be fair he gave West Broms Centre backs a torrid time. 
    He was 19 when last played for us in a complete car crash of a squad.
    He's still now only 21, not many strikers are the finished article by 24/25.

    I'm willing, and quite looking forward to seeing if he can step up.

    Good luck to the lad. 
    Even as a player to come on and relentlessly chase the ball for 20 mins if we are a goal up he could be useful. As others have said he was brilliant against West Brom, on his own up against two CBs who both played regularly in the Prem last season. I think he will be fine at this level and certainly do a job.
    I’m not so convinced - he didn’t stand out in either of his loan spells last season at a lower level, and one game a few years ago doesn’t mean much at all.

    I can though see why it’s difficult to bring in cover for Stockley when the plan will be to start him as much as possible in the league.
    Yeh, very much so.
    How do you convince a striker of any pedigree to come in as backup?
    On the flip side, if by choice or default we give that role to Davison, what happens if Stockley picks up a long-term injury?
    Tough one
    Stockley isn't an undroppable galactico, a CR7 or a Harry Kane, who's the star name in the side, the first pick (certainly at Spurs). 

    Yes I expect him to be the first choice No 9 this season, but only on merit. We need an alternative to push him and replace him, if he's playing better
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,242
    Scoham said:
    I’m sure I saw Crowley for Arsenal’s u23s/u21s years ago, watched them against Brighton (friend is a Brighton fan). A small but technical/creative midfielder, like Hakeeb he didn’t do much at Hull, they mainly used it from the bench.

    Still only 23 and another that probably needs the right club to turn his career around, and the type of midfielder we need alongside a couple of pacey wingers.
    I think his do what thou wilt attitude has held him back but magical on his day.

    Already got a cult following.
  • covered_end_junior
    covered_end_junior Posts: 4,523
    I’d take Crowley, He always looked very handy when I saw him for Birmingham.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,388
    Charltonparklane said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Mendonca In Asdas said:


    @Covered_End_Lad
    If by 5pm on Monday, the signing isn't announced do you accept you should lose your 60 likes and counting ? o:)>:)

    If it isn’t announced by 5pm on Monday I’ll let AFKA remove them. I did say I don’t know when it will be announced. If they aren’t planning to play him today as he only signed him yesterday then it may well be Monday before they announce it.
    Well it's definitely a 'him' so that's a bonus. 
    You sure about that?

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  • Maccn05
    Maccn05 Posts: 967
    Crowley is on trial at Donny
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,655
    Maccn05 said:
    Crowley is on trial at Donny
    Is he a woman?
  • SheedyCAFC
    SheedyCAFC Posts: 1,246
    Definitely some decent free agents at this level that are still around, would be on Gallen’s radar & are waiting for the best offer possible.

    Nicky Ajose is a free agent and has unfinished business with us, surprised nobody’s mentioned him ;)
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,178
    DamoNorthStand said:
    Football fans can be funny peeps at times. Every player that goes to a league rival we are glad we weren’t in for. Too expensive, no better than we have, not good enough.

    Fraser, Piggott and now Eisa.

    But then on the flip side we laud Davison, Dobson and Clare. Hell we have even had people predicting Clare will be player of the year. Based on what?! He hasn’t even pulled a Charlton shirt on yet.

    I am still waiting for the signings that make the other fans in the divisions jealous and sit up and take notice. We should at the very least be doing that in league one.
    I think you’re just determined to make yourself miserable to be honest. You’re moaning that we’re predicting our new players will do well, while also digging the club out for not signing players that go to league rivals, clearly because you think they’ll do well. If you’re saying we can’t praise players before they’ve pulled a shirt on then that goes for rival players too. You’re also defining how good a signing is based on how upset it makes other teams? Why? It doesn’t matter how good a player’s reputation is, and we’ve signed a fair few names in the past that haven’t worked out. We’ve also brought in some unknowns who’ve gone on to be great. If it’s big name signings that you feel you need then there’s a fairly big club in West London that might do the job for you. Though if you really do just want to be miserable all the time then you’re in the right place. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Maccn05 said:
    Crowley is on trial at Donny
    Yeah with 7 others. I wouldn't read anything into that, other than he is training and "getting minutes".

    Appears they played him as a 6 against Newcastle when he is normally a 10 or a wide player in a front 3.  They did similar with Gomes last season.  Butler likes a creative player in front of the back four, I think Bostock did it against us at in the away game last season? 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,178
    killerandflash said:
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Scoham said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Charltonparklane said:
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
    paulfox said:
    Have to say I’m willing to see if Davison can be good for us, but most of the time I’ve seen him he’s been pretty average to poor. Runs around a lot but quality hasn’t quite been there. 
    Was definitely not ready for Championship football but to be fair he gave West Broms Centre backs a torrid time. 
    He was 19 when last played for us in a complete car crash of a squad.
    He's still now only 21, not many strikers are the finished article by 24/25.

    I'm willing, and quite looking forward to seeing if he can step up.

    Good luck to the lad. 
    Even as a player to come on and relentlessly chase the ball for 20 mins if we are a goal up he could be useful. As others have said he was brilliant against West Brom, on his own up against two CBs who both played regularly in the Prem last season. I think he will be fine at this level and certainly do a job.
    I’m not so convinced - he didn’t stand out in either of his loan spells last season at a lower level, and one game a few years ago doesn’t mean much at all.

    I can though see why it’s difficult to bring in cover for Stockley when the plan will be to start him as much as possible in the league.
    Yeh, very much so.
    How do you convince a striker of any pedigree to come in as backup?
    On the flip side, if by choice or default we give that role to Davison, what happens if Stockley picks up a long-term injury?
    Tough one
    Stockley isn't an undroppable galactico, a CR7 or a Harry Kane, who's the star name in the side, the first pick (certainly at Spurs). 

    Yes I expect him to be the first choice No 9 this season, but only on merit. We need an alternative to push him and replace him, if he's playing better
    That’s the ideal club perspective but it’s not the player perspective. Stockley is our big signing of the summer, a 9 proven at this level and for this team. We were in a bit of an unusual situation last year in that Chuks was a leftover from a higher division, but if he could stay fit there’s no way that we would have had him and Stockley, not a chance. Stockley was necessary because of Chuks’ fitness record and we could guarantee him games, but any striker looking at us is going to see our big signing and ask himself if he wants to be backup to that, and if he wants to be there just to push the main man and come in for him if he doesn’t do well. It’s a tough sell, and probably requires a huge outlay on fee and wages to get a good player who is willing to be that, which probably isn’t within our budget given we have more pressing areas to fill first. I think our best bet will be a loan for a player who is told he’s not making the squad when a higher level team has finalised their signings 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    addick1956 said:
    Maccn05 said:
    And I stand by that. If we signed a striker tomorrow with the same stats in L2 everyone would be going nuts but because NA says he’s good we take it as gospel…. So yeah happy clappers.

    TBH I’m bored of your constant put downs on anything I post and to others. Even on Twitter where I don’t follow you you interject on a thread with another sarky, patronising  comment… why bother? Insecurity maybe? Lack of self worth? Need to feel important?

    Feel free to not interact with my occasional posts, I’ll do the same and you can concentrate on your silly tables 👍🏼 
    You are of course correct.  If we had signed a L2 forward with such stats there would be uproar. I got the same criticism for saying 'if they are good enough they are old enough'.

    If you disagree the insults abound , ageist, IQ insults etc. Not one person but a whole tribe so to speak.  I think they hope to just make one give up. Don't give up. 

    If Davison had been bought from FGR or on a free imagine the protests.
    That doesn't make him a bad player of course. 

    However I can't see how a bloke scoring 32 goals in L2 isn't better than one who scores 5/6 pro rata.  

    Or a the players we were in for in January are suddenly a bit meh. 


    Have you ever watch Mullin play?   I don't mean his goals on Quest or YouTube I mean actually play. 
  • Pavoren007
    Pavoren007 Posts: 2,529
    Haven’t read every post over the last few pages, as the bickering is so tedious, but based on the gist of it, perhaps some should look at players, maybe former players like Karlan Grant and what their record looked like up to age 20-21. Other than the exceptions of players like Rooney, Owen etc who were so talented that they burst on the scene banging in goals at a very young age, most young pros find their feet pretty steadily and if some of those records are checked there is a bit of a pattern that come 21-22 years of age the goals to game ratio starts to climb and potential possibly reached/still improving.

    If our coaching staff think Davison has something about him and he is being well coached to improve aspects of his game, he gets my full backing and hope he flourishes when game time comes his way. 

    One final point and that is that strikers of course feed off of chances created and the better the wingers and central midfielders NA installs the frequency of gilt edged chances all our strikers should get. This should help improve goals to game ratios, if our strikers are playing sharply.
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,510
    ✍️ Blackburn Rovers' transfer activity this summer...

    IN

    😳😳😳

    OUT

    Corry Evans (released)
    Lewis Holtby (released)
    Charlie Mulgrew (released)
    Elliott Bennett (released)
    Stewart Downing (released)
    Joe Grayson (released)
    Amari’i Bell (released)

    Two weeks to go ⏰

    Blackburn fans questioning their  club .. wonder what our fans reaction would be in this position .. overall think we have had a very good window so far with still 3/4 to come 

  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,369
    edited July 2021
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Charltonparklane said:
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
    paulfox said:
    Have to say I’m willing to see if Davison can be good for us, but most of the time I’ve seen him he’s been pretty average to poor. Runs around a lot but quality hasn’t quite been there. 
    Was definitely not ready for Championship football but to be fair he gave West Broms Centre backs a torrid time. 
    He was 19 when last played for us in a complete car crash of a squad.
    He's still now only 21, not many strikers are the finished article by 24/25.

    I'm willing, and quite looking forward to seeing if he can step up.

    Good luck to the lad. 
    Even as a player to come on and relentlessly chase the ball for 20 mins if we are a goal up he could be useful. As others have said he was brilliant against West Brom, on his own up against two CBs who both played regularly in the Prem last season. I think he will be fine at this level and certainly do a job.
    I don't think he was brilliant, hard work is overrated as a footballer, that should be the absolute minimum. 

    As for the CBs he was up against they are both championship standard, well at least they were when we played them and based on them not getting moves for this season it seems that way. 

    I like his attitude and want him to do well, but this should be nothing more than a development season for him. I.e. take Stockley off when there's a bit of the game left if we are up comfortably 

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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,178
    Braziliance said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Charltonparklane said:
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
    paulfox said:
    Have to say I’m willing to see if Davison can be good for us, but most of the time I’ve seen him he’s been pretty average to poor. Runs around a lot but quality hasn’t quite been there. 
    Was definitely not ready for Championship football but to be fair he gave West Broms Centre backs a torrid time. 
    He was 19 when last played for us in a complete car crash of a squad.
    He's still now only 21, not many strikers are the finished article by 24/25.

    I'm willing, and quite looking forward to seeing if he can step up.

    Good luck to the lad. 
    Even as a player to come on and relentlessly chase the ball for 20 mins if we are a goal up he could be useful. As others have said he was brilliant against West Brom, on his own up against two CBs who both played regularly in the Prem last season. I think he will be fine at this level and certainly do a job.
    I don't think he was brilliant, hard work is overrated as a footballer, that should be the absolute minimum. 

    As for the CBs he was up against they are both championship standard, well at least they were when we played them and based on them not getting moves for this season it seems that way. 

    I like his attitude and want him to do well, but this should be nothing more than a development season for him. I.e. take Stockley off when there's a bit of the game left if we are up comfortably 
    I think it will be. As far as we can tell based on recent history we’ll be playing one up front and he’ll be, at the moment, probably 4th choice striker 
  • LTKapal
    LTKapal Posts: 1,312
    RonnieMoore said:
    ✍️ Blackburn Rovers' transfer activity this summer...

    IN

    😳😳😳

    OUT

    Corry Evans (released)
    Lewis Holtby (released)
    Charlie Mulgrew (released)
    Elliott Bennett (released)
    Stewart Downing (released)
    Joe Grayson (released)
    Amari’i Bell (released)

    Two weeks to go ⏰

    Blackburn fans questioning their  club .. wonder what our fans reaction would be in this position .. overall think we have had a very good window so far with still 3/4 to come 

    The girl im seeing is a Blackburn fan (unfortunate I know) I did wonder why she hadn't been all the usual excited about this window 
  • Maccn05
    Maccn05 Posts: 967
    RonnieMoore said:
    ✍️ Blackburn Rovers' transfer activity this summer...

    IN

    😳😳😳

    OUT

    Corry Evans (released)
    Lewis Holtby (released)
    Charlie Mulgrew (released)
    Elliott Bennett (released)
    Stewart Downing (released)
    Joe Grayson (released)
    Amari’i Bell (released)

    Two weeks to go ⏰

    Blackburn fans questioning their  club .. wonder what our fans reaction would be in this position .. overall think we have had a very good window so far with still 3/4 to come 

    Difference being is Blackburn are an established Championship team. The majority of the players released are in their later years & back up players. Downing has retired) and they’ve kept their key player so far in Armstrong 

    Its been stated na at times that the Championship is the league most struggling with the fallout from COVID.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,242
    edited July 2021
    RonnieMoore said:
    ✍️ Blackburn Rovers' transfer activity this summer...

    IN

    😳😳😳

    OUT

    Corry Evans (released)
    Lewis Holtby (released)
    Charlie Mulgrew (released)
    Elliott Bennett (released)
    Stewart Downing (released)
    Joe Grayson (released)
    Amari’i Bell (released)

    Two weeks to go ⏰

    Blackburn fans questioning their  club .. wonder what our fans reaction would be in this position .. overall think we have had a very good window so far with still 3/4 to come 

    But this isn't Blackburn Life.


    And they're not in our division.


    Personally I think all the signings we've made so far are good and will improve the squad.


    Do I think we've made enough signings so far?  No


    Do I think we'll make more signings?  Yes


    Will those signings be good enough?  Impossible to say until, at least, they are announced on the OS


    Will everyone be happy with the new signings?  You must be fecking joking
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,242
    Braziliance said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Charltonparklane said:
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
    paulfox said:
    Have to say I’m willing to see if Davison can be good for us, but most of the time I’ve seen him he’s been pretty average to poor. Runs around a lot but quality hasn’t quite been there. 
    Was definitely not ready for Championship football but to be fair he gave West Broms Centre backs a torrid time. 
    He was 19 when last played for us in a complete car crash of a squad.
    He's still now only 21, not many strikers are the finished article by 24/25.

    I'm willing, and quite looking forward to seeing if he can step up.

    Good luck to the lad. 
    Even as a player to come on and relentlessly chase the ball for 20 mins if we are a goal up he could be useful. As others have said he was brilliant against West Brom, on his own up against two CBs who both played regularly in the Prem last season. I think he will be fine at this level and certainly do a job.
    I don't think he was brilliant, hard work is overrated as a footballer, that should be the absolute minimum. 

    As for the CBs he was up against they are both championship standard, well at least they were when we played them and based on them not getting moves for this season it seems that way. 

    I like his attitude and want him to do well, but this should be nothing more than a development season for him. I.e. take Stockley off when there's a bit of the game left if we are up comfortably 
    And Adkins hasn't said anything more than that about Davison.  Just that he won't be going out on loan and will be around the  squad.  That was it. 

     
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,108
    LTKapal said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    ✍️ Blackburn Rovers' transfer activity this summer...

    IN

    😳😳😳

    OUT

    Corry Evans (released)
    Lewis Holtby (released)
    Charlie Mulgrew (released)
    Elliott Bennett (released)
    Stewart Downing (released)
    Joe Grayson (released)
    Amari’i Bell (released)

    Two weeks to go ⏰

    Blackburn fans questioning their  club .. wonder what our fans reaction would be in this position .. overall think we have had a very good window so far with still 3/4 to come 

    The girl im seeing is a Blackburn fan (unfortunate I know) I did wonder why she hadn't been all the usual excited about this window 
    She’s obviously getting all the excitement she needs from a Charlton Fan 😳
  • LTKapal
    LTKapal Posts: 1,312
    _MrDick said:
    LTKapal said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    ✍️ Blackburn Rovers' transfer activity this summer...

    IN

    😳😳😳

    OUT

    Corry Evans (released)
    Lewis Holtby (released)
    Charlie Mulgrew (released)
    Elliott Bennett (released)
    Stewart Downing (released)
    Joe Grayson (released)
    Amari’i Bell (released)

    Two weeks to go ⏰

    Blackburn fans questioning their  club .. wonder what our fans reaction would be in this position .. overall think we have had a very good window so far with still 3/4 to come 

    The girl im seeing is a Blackburn fan (unfortunate I know) I did wonder why she hadn't been all the usual excited about this window 
    She’s obviously getting all the excitement she needs from a Charlton Fan 😳
    She does say the only thing more tragic than my cooking skills is the team I support and I can't really disagree can I considering the last 8 odd years. 
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,867
    Another goal for Blackstenius at the Tokyo Olympics today.  And, despite the last minute foot injury, I don't think it is life-threatening.

    Only 25, definitely works hard and certainly has an eye for goal.  Similar height to Davison ... and better hair.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    edited July 2021
    Ferryman said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    PWADDICK said:

    Probably made up but I’ll take anything at this point
    Done to death on page 138 onwards.  No point rehashing it all here. 
    30 games in last three years.

    Chuks Aneke was involved in more games in one season.

    Only for 20 minutes or so !
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,369
    Henry Irving said:
    Braziliance said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Charltonparklane said:
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
    paulfox said:
    Have to say I’m willing to see if Davison can be good for us, but most of the time I’ve seen him he’s been pretty average to poor. Runs around a lot but quality hasn’t quite been there. 
    Was definitely not ready for Championship football but to be fair he gave West Broms Centre backs a torrid time. 
    He was 19 when last played for us in a complete car crash of a squad.
    He's still now only 21, not many strikers are the finished article by 24/25.

    I'm willing, and quite looking forward to seeing if he can step up.

    Good luck to the lad. 
    Even as a player to come on and relentlessly chase the ball for 20 mins if we are a goal up he could be useful. As others have said he was brilliant against West Brom, on his own up against two CBs who both played regularly in the Prem last season. I think he will be fine at this level and certainly do a job.
    I don't think he was brilliant, hard work is overrated as a footballer, that should be the absolute minimum. 

    As for the CBs he was up against they are both championship standard, well at least they were when we played them and based on them not getting moves for this season it seems that way. 

    I like his attitude and want him to do well, but this should be nothing more than a development season for him. I.e. take Stockley off when there's a bit of the game left if we are up comfortably 
    And Adkins hasn't said anything more than that about Davison.  Just that he won't be going out on loan and will be around the  squad.  That was it. 

     
    I know which means we probably do need a striker, Washington can't lead the line, Schwartz almost definitely can't so it would leave Davison. If we insist on 433/4231 we do need another target man type I would imagine, can't rely on Stockley to deliver on his own imo. How do you find a player on Stockleys level though who is willing to come here who would be happy with that role and if we can even afford that with already having those 3. 

    I guess this is why the defense should be the main focus now and that one playmaker. I expect us to be more Hull than Peterborough if we do go up and that would be absolutely fine 
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