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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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Lovely stuff. The rumours thread is alive!Rothko said:Certainly heard we’ve made offers for players in the last week, and it’s a case of who blinks first on fee2 -
Is one of them Randall?mart77 said:
Interesting that I’ve seen Plymouth fans say he has struggled since January and they have two other strikers that are likely to start ahead of him due to his poor form.Cafc43v3r said:
From the local news?ricky_otto said:May have been mentioned earlier in the thread (I really can’t be bother to trawl through it), but have heard we have an offer on the table for Luke Jephcott - figure mentioned was £600k. Could be BS, but thought I’d share.5 -
Get me listed squire.Dazzler21 said:
Wahey! A rumour!ricky_otto said:May have been mentioned earlier in the thread (I really can’t be bother to trawl through it), but have heard we have an offer on the table for Luke Jephcott - figure mentioned was £600k. Could be BS, but thought I’d share.2 -
Be amazed if Plymouth accepted £600k for him.0
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stoneroses19 said:
Lovely stuff. The rumours thread is alive!Rothko said:Certainly heard we’ve made offers for players in the last week, and it’s a case of who blinks first on fee
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I think a hard cash offer on the table changes things - clubs might say player x is worth x, but when the money is there it changes the dynamics.Jac_52 said:Be amazed if Plymouth accepted £600k for him.2 -
I’m sure he was available on a free around a month ago before signing a new 2 year deal with Plymouth. Would we really offer 600k for a player we could have got for nothing? I’m sceptical at best, think we all know where the rumour has come from.Cafc43v3r said:
I would be amazed if we bid for himJac_52 said:Be amazed if Plymouth accepted £600k for him.3 -
Nothing just a touch of COVID I’m sureTodds_right_hook said:
Redbutthole? How do you know, what have you been up to?MickeyBennett said:
Not a rumour I'm afraid redbutthole.redbuttle said:
Here's a rumour. Some of our fans moan all the time.MickeyBennett said:Really is remarkable how few cafc rumours are out there.1 -
Yeah from me passing info on. He actually had 1 year left in his contract and signed a 2 year extension, so wouldn’t have been on a free.Covered_End_Lad said:
I’m sure he was available on a free around a month ago before signing a new 2 year deal with Plymouth. Would we really offer 600k for a player we could have got for nothing? I’m sceptical at best, think we all know where the rumour has come from.Cafc43v3r said:
I would be amazed if we bid for himJac_52 said:Be amazed if Plymouth accepted £600k for him.10 -
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£600k on Jephcott would be a bit of a steal. Be interesting if clubs start to take what's on the table0
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ForeverAddickted said:
Is one of them Randall?mart77 said:
Interesting that I’ve seen Plymouth fans say he has struggled since January and they have two other strikers that are likely to start ahead of him due to his poor form.Cafc43v3r said:
From the local news?ricky_otto said:May have been mentioned earlier in the thread (I really can’t be bother to trawl through it), but have heard we have an offer on the table for Luke Jephcott - figure mentioned was £600k. Could be BS, but thought I’d share.
And the other one Hopkirk?2 -
Doesn't look much like our negotiating is having the right effect. Maybe we're not very competitive on wages ?TheAddicks4Ever said:We must be negotiating or holding out for some amazing players (hope one is near the line and announced tomorrow)0 -
Maybe as has been said on this thread, that clubs think they can holdcharltonbob said:
Doesn't look much like our negotiating is having the right effect. Maybe we're not very competitive on wages ?TheAddicks4Ever said:We must be negotiating or holding out for some amazing players (hope one is near the line and announced tomorrow)
out for fees as they need the cash and clubs aren’t going to pay what’s being asked for. The impasse will have to break or they’ll be a lot of clubs wondering how they’ll balance the books2 -
Haven't heard that one for a few pages, very good!!Johnnysummers5 said:ForeverAddickted said:
Is one of them Randall?mart77 said:
Interesting that I’ve seen Plymouth fans say he has struggled since January and they have two other strikers that are likely to start ahead of him due to his poor form.Cafc43v3r said:
From the local news?ricky_otto said:May have been mentioned earlier in the thread (I really can’t be bother to trawl through it), but have heard we have an offer on the table for Luke Jephcott - figure mentioned was £600k. Could be BS, but thought I’d share.
And the other one Hopkirk?
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Found the source on Jephcott 600k…
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No nothing about him but his stats suggest he is a half season wonder so far. Last season was his break out year but he failed to score in any of the last 20 games.MarcusH26 said:£600k on Jephcott would be a bit of a steal. Be interesting if clubs start to take what's on the table1 -
Colin gets everywhereCallumcafc said:Found the source on Jephcott 600k…7 -
I saw his goals and they were mainly well taken finishes in the penalty box.Athletico Charlton said:
No nothing about him but his stats suggest he is a half season wonder so far. Last season was his break out year but he failed to score in any of the last 20 games.MarcusH26 said:£600k on Jephcott would be a bit of a steal. Be interesting if clubs start to take what's on the table
So a Schwarz type of poacher?0 -
I did say it could be BS. Anyway well done Miss Marple.Callumcafc said:Found the source on Jephcott 600k…1 -
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Wow!! words of wisdom, can't argue with thataddick1956 said:
That is a rumour. 😃eastterrace6168 said:We are supposed to be signing two perm's this week as per a conversation Gallen had with a fan at Fulham last Saturday I seem to remember, well two days left for that one, bloody rumours 1 -
I agree that our tactics haven’t brought quick results but this window is increasingly looking like we will have to be patient and judge our business at the end of it. Not perfect prep and I think we’ve been a tad unlucky with who we play at the start of the season. Those tactics may bare fruit at the end of the window. Everyone has agreed on here that we don’t want to overly commit and ever leave ourselves at the mercy of the crooks and conmen who have been before.charltonbob said:
Doesn't look much like our negotiating is having the right effect. Maybe we're not very competitive on wages ?TheAddicks4Ever said:We must be negotiating or holding out for some amazing players (hope one is near the line and announced tomorrow)One good thing though is that our team has actually been very settled in the last few friendlies and they’ve played well. Meaning when we do get additions, and I’m sure we will, they’ll be coming into a settled side. We are only really one fit left back away from a very competitive league 1 side and our replacement, like him or not, did play there for his country against the European champions only a month ago.6 -
Worse than Mullin then. At least he had a full season.Athletico Charlton said:
No nothing about him but his stats suggest he is a half season wonder so far. Last season was his break out year but he failed to score in any of the last 20 games.MarcusH26 said:£600k on Jephcott would be a bit of a steal. Be interesting if clubs start to take what's on the table0 -
It wasn't the leaving at the end of his contract, I think it may have had something to do with the fact that he went on strike when we needed all our squad to give their all in the fight against relegation. Total wanker.esseffect said:Lyle is a bastard. But he was quality for us I don’t think there’s any denying that.I don’t know why some were surprised in him leaving, he did the same to Wimbledon when joining us!3 -
Any old rumr, any old rumr,
Any any any old rumour.
Old rumours, old rumours.
Somebody make up a rumour, please!
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Fighting relegation????charltonbob said:
It wasn't the leaving at the end of his contract, I think it may have had something to do with the fact that he went on strike when we needed all our squad to give their all in the fight against relegation. Total wanker.esseffect said:Lyle is a bastard. But he was quality for us I don’t think there’s any denying that.I don’t know why some were surprised in him leaving, he did the same to Wimbledon when joining us!2 -
To be fair Lyle Taylor's record wasn't great until he joined AFC Wimbledon and it improved even more with us.
He's played a lot of Championship games and his record is not that good.
If Stockley is banging in goals for fun, there's every chance a Championship club could think that was exactly what they needed in January?
I don't think Stockley has got any great resale value? The other 3 possibly do in terms of quality but Peterborough made an active decision to almost exclusively invest in attacking players, often well over paying for them and over paying them. Often at the expense of having a good team.
Dobson, Stockley, Clare and Famewo fit the 3 or 4 players of quality argument?
They have bought high and paid very good wages for attacking players for over a decade. Then sold them for a profit. You can go back to Aaron McLean and CMS, or probably even longer.
All true but Peterborough haven’t always “bought low” they have actually bought, for a league one club quite high and then sold on at a profit.
I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.
Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?Henry Irving said:
They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.cafcfan1990 said:
But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked, I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years.ShootersHillGuru said:
That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently.Cafc43v3r said:
But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have.ShootersHillGuru said:
Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years.Cafc43v3r said:
That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.ShootersHillGuru said:
They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.Scoham said:
Being in the Championship helps. A lot.LargeAddick said:
It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.Halifax Addick said:I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening.
It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.
We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.
buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.
If we went out and bought 3 or 4 players of the quality Peterborough have historically done, this summer, we would be favourites for promotion. Due to the fact we pay superior wages, so have better players (in theory) in the other positions and a significantly better academy.
However if we stayed in league 1 for 8 years we would need to generate north of 50 million quid in player sales before we could invest or progress in any way shape or form. If we finished 7th or 8th every season and sold our best 2 players and replaced them from nonleague or league 2 every season it wouldn't be long before there were pigs on the pitch.
Any talk of models and sustainability in league 1 is nonsense. Unless the model is buy and sell better. Which isn't a ground breaking idea.
Silly money could talk, perhaps?
Especially a team recently relegated from the Prem, still with parachute money in their pocket.
Whether we'd want to sell or even Stockley want to go, is another matter of course.
2018-19 - 17 Apps, 4 Goals
2019-20 - 42 Apps, 4 Goals
2020-21 - 16 Apps, 1 Goal
I think he'd have to do an awful lot to convince anyone he's worth another punt at that level.
Taylor was 27 years old when he joined us, there's absolutely no reason why Stockley can't replicate Taylor's goalscoring record at this level with the right service.
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Jephcott deal off. He had a look at this thread and decided Charlton wasn’t for him.15
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Not one of Golfie's mates is he?..ricky_otto said:Jephcott deal off. He had a look at this thread and decided Charlton wasn’t for him. 1 -
That was hilarious you twatMickeyBennett said:
Not a rumour I'm afraid redbutthole.redbuttle said:
Here's a rumour. Some of our fans moan all the time.MickeyBennett said:Really is remarkable how few cafc rumours are out there.22
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