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We have signed 2 left backs without league experience recently in Da Silva & Maatsen. Nobody moaned because they were highly rated and came from excellent academies, like Cikrin.SomervilleAddick said:
Zero appearances for Spurs, no loans to lower clubs. So absolutely no experience.killerandflash said:
Very inexperienced though, I'd be surprised if he became Sunderland's first choice considering he's never played a senior gamecovered_end_junior said:
Highly rated by Spurs fans, the type of young player we should have been in for.Scoham said:Sunderland sign Dennis Cikrin from Spurs on a permanent deal. He’s a 19 year old left back. Another we’ve missed out on or are we looking for better?I can just imagine the reaction if we’d signed a left back with no league experience. I doubt anyone would be celebrating.3 -
@DOUCHER . If you have time watch the Big Match Revisited's highlights of the Fulham V Charlton match, You will see what a cultured player Tydeman was .Bailey said:
For the record Doucher, Dick Tydeman captained one of the best sides we had in the eighties, under Mike Bailey. They basically cruised to promotion and I think they set either a record number of wins or games undefeated that season. I think you may have been unfortunate to witness the season before when they got relegated, Bailey was appointed Manager then he wasn't, we had shit bags at the club in Tony Hazel and Lawrie Madden and they were that bad you and I could have got a game. If Dick Tydeman ever lumped it long then it was a game I must have missed, he was known for his passing ability.DOUCHER said:my mate played for welling in the eighties when berry joined them just as he was finishing his career - said he was awful - i remember both of them as a kid and all i remember about them is lumping it into the channel and getting done for pace3 -
fair enough - i was only about 9 or 10 then but i just remember those guys being part of the old charlton that i first experienced when we were never going anywhere - fads kit promotion season aside - but i guess u r right - we r comparing what i consider to be dull lower championship sides with a side now which will be unlikely to get out of league 1Bailey said:
For the record Doucher, Dick Tydeman captained one of the best sides we had in the eighties, under Mike Bailey. They basically cruised to promotion and I think they set either a record number of wins or games undefeated that season. I think you may have been unfortunate to witness the season before when they got relegated, Bailey was appointed Manager then he wasn't, we had shit bags at the club in Tony Hazel and Lawrie Madden and they were that bad you and I could have got a game. If Dick Tydeman ever lumped it long then it was a game I must have missed, he was known for his passing ability.DOUCHER said:my mate played for welling in the eighties when berry joined them just as he was finishing his career - said he was awful - i remember both of them as a kid and all i remember about them is lumping it into the channel and getting done for pace0 -
Because we have to do a total rebuild thanks to the mismanagement of the club over the past few years. Under Roland it was all loans and short-term deals and sales of useful players. So far this season we've renewed a number of contracts and signed some permanent players on 2 and 3 year deals. In the short term we'll need to bring in loans, but next season we'll have a better spine in place and can add to ti with new permanent players and bring in fewer loans. If Roland and ESI hadn't left us in such a state then this wouldn't be necessary, but they did, so it is.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.
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Maybe you know a lot more about him than me (which until today was nothing), but I tend to take those 'highly rated' comments from Prem fans with a massive pinch of salt. They're not usually a good judge of how well young players will do out on loan in the lower divisions.covered_end_junior said:
Highly rated by Spurs fans, the type of young player we should have been in for.Scoham said:Sunderland sign Dennis Cikrin from Spurs on a permanent deal. He’s a 19 year old left back. Another we’ve missed out on or are we looking for better?
Interesting signing for Sunderland though, given he has no experience it's a gamble that could be anything from a brilliant signing to a complete waste of money.
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We have to do a total rebuild and we’ve bought in 3 new first team players this summer thus far, I’d say that’s worth questioning.Garrymanilow said:
Because we have to do a total rebuild thanks to the mismanagement of the club over the past few years. Under Roland it was all loans and short-term deals and sales of useful players. So far this season we've renewed a number of contracts and signed some permanent players on 2 and 3 year deals. In the short term we'll need to bring in loans, but next season we'll have a better spine in place and can add to ti with new permanent players and bring in fewer loans. If Roland and ESI hadn't left us in such a state then this wouldn't be necessary, but they did, so it is.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.Remember, this is the second transfer window under TS now.1 -
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We have to do a total rebuild and we’ve bought in 2 new first team players this summer thus far, I’d say that’s worth questioning.Garrymanilow said:
Because we have to do a total rebuild thanks to the mismanagement of the club over the past few years. Under Roland it was all loans and short-term deals and sales of useful players. So far this season we've renewed a number of contracts and signed some permanent players on 2 and 3 year deals. In the short term we'll need to bring in loans, but next season we'll have a better spine in place and can add to ti with new permanent players and bring in fewer loans. If Roland and ESI hadn't left us in such a state then this wouldn't be necessary, but they did, so it is.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.Remember, this is the second transfer window under TS now.3 -
People really haven't learned anything from having to rebuild after every season, have they?Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.2 -
Can you sign players like Cullen, Beilik, Millar, Da Silva, Maatsen on permanents? No you can't.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.
Of course it's not ideal as a long term solution neither is the bollocks about sustainability, 3 transfer windows, pathways or any of the other nonsense banded about.
Add 4 good loans and 2 perms to our current squad and it could look very good. Don't use the loans and we won't finish top half.
When your in the championship you can think about bells and whistles and plans, models and God knows what else people bang on about.5 -
Gallagher had no league experience. Was our best player by a milearny23394 said:
We have signed 2 left backs without league experience recently in Da Silva & Maatsen. Nobody moaned because they were highly rated and came from excellent academies, like Cikrin.SomervilleAddick said:
Zero appearances for Spurs, no loans to lower clubs. So absolutely no experience.killerandflash said:
Very inexperienced though, I'd be surprised if he became Sunderland's first choice considering he's never played a senior gamecovered_end_junior said:
Highly rated by Spurs fans, the type of young player we should have been in for.Scoham said:Sunderland sign Dennis Cikrin from Spurs on a permanent deal. He’s a 19 year old left back. Another we’ve missed out on or are we looking for better?I can just imagine the reaction if we’d signed a left back with no league experience. I doubt anyone would be celebrating.1 - Sponsored links:
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Ah, a fellow intellectual.Callumcafc said:All I know is using loans is the best way to get promoted in Football Manager…3 -
Only January and this one isn’t it?Scoham said:
Third?J BLOCK said:
We have to do a total rebuild and we’ve bought in 2 new first team players this summer thus far, I’d say that’s worth questioning.Garrymanilow said:
Because we have to do a total rebuild thanks to the mismanagement of the club over the past few years. Under Roland it was all loans and short-term deals and sales of useful players. So far this season we've renewed a number of contracts and signed some permanent players on 2 and 3 year deals. In the short term we'll need to bring in loans, but next season we'll have a better spine in place and can add to ti with new permanent players and bring in fewer loans. If Roland and ESI hadn't left us in such a state then this wouldn't be necessary, but they did, so it is.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.Remember, this is the second transfer window under TS now.
Took over last September.2 -
To be fair, neither really needed to as they didnt lose the First Team players like we did.killerandflash said:
Neither Peterborough (1 loan plus an emergency keeper) or Hull (max 3 loans) relied heavily on loans last seasonCafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.
Peterborough lost Toney on 1st Sept that was it apart from those they chose to release... Even before selling Toney they'd had already brought in Clarke-Harris and then brought in Szmodics a week later, and that was it - So meant they effectively went into League One with the same squad the season from before.
Its why its frustrating that we still need such depth added to the team, if we didnt then I'd favour our chances over Ipswich, as we'd be the team in Peterborough's shoes where we'd have the squad togetherness and familiarity sorted, whilst Paul Cook after two games is still trying to gel his squad together.
Its also worth noting that Peterborough that season before "finished" in seventh, the exact same place as us last term - They went into that summer knowing just a small bit of tweaking was all that was needed - Shame we didnt learn from that ourselves.
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We had about 10 days of the summer window last season (window was extended) in which we signed most of our loans and a few first teamers.WSS said:
Only January and this one isn’t it?Scoham said:
Third?J BLOCK said:
We have to do a total rebuild and we’ve bought in 2 new first team players this summer thus far, I’d say that’s worth questioning.Garrymanilow said:
Because we have to do a total rebuild thanks to the mismanagement of the club over the past few years. Under Roland it was all loans and short-term deals and sales of useful players. So far this season we've renewed a number of contracts and signed some permanent players on 2 and 3 year deals. In the short term we'll need to bring in loans, but next season we'll have a better spine in place and can add to ti with new permanent players and bring in fewer loans. If Roland and ESI hadn't left us in such a state then this wouldn't be necessary, but they did, so it is.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.Remember, this is the second transfer window under TS now.
Took over last September.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the extension2
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5 loans every season means this is going to be the case every summer though.ForeverAddickted said:
To be fair, neither really needed to as they didnt lose the First Team players like we did.killerandflash said:
Neither Peterborough (1 loan plus an emergency keeper) or Hull (max 3 loans) relied heavily on loans last seasonCafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.
Peterborough lost Toney on 1st Sept that was it apart from those they chose to release... Even before selling Toney they'd had already brought in Clarke-Harris and then brought in Szmodics a week later, and that was it - So meant they effectively went into League One with the same squad the season from before.
Its why its frustrating that we still need such depth added to the team, if we didnt then I'd favour our chances over Ipswich, as we'd be the team in Peterborough's shoes where we'd have the squad togetherness and familiarity sorted, whilst Paul Cook after two games is still trying to gel his squad together.
Its also worth noting that Peterborough that season before "finished" in seventh, the exact same place as us last term - They went into that summer knowing just a small bit of tweaking was all that was needed - Shame we didnt learn from that ourselves.
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If we buy players of league 1 standard players this season, won’t we need another re-build if we go up?4
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Oh god yeah I completely agreecafcfan1990 said:
5 loans every season means this is going to be the case every summer though.ForeverAddickted said:
To be fair, neither really needed to as they didnt lose the First Team players like we did.killerandflash said:
Neither Peterborough (1 loan plus an emergency keeper) or Hull (max 3 loans) relied heavily on loans last seasonCafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.
Peterborough lost Toney on 1st Sept that was it apart from those they chose to release... Even before selling Toney they'd had already brought in Clarke-Harris and then brought in Szmodics a week later, and that was it - So meant they effectively went into League One with the same squad the season from before.
Its why its frustrating that we still need such depth added to the team, if we didnt then I'd favour our chances over Ipswich, as we'd be the team in Peterborough's shoes where we'd have the squad togetherness and familiarity sorted, whilst Paul Cook after two games is still trying to gel his squad together.
Its also worth noting that Peterborough that season before "finished" in seventh, the exact same place as us last term - They went into that summer knowing just a small bit of tweaking was all that was needed - Shame we didnt learn from that ourselves.
But we all wanted the squad overhaul didnt we
I do wonder if this is a forced move this summer due to Brexit and COVID - Clubs wont sell because its harder to bring in talent from abroad, not to mention they want to sell for inflated prices to speed up the recovery process from the last year and a half.
As I've said privately with another poster though RE: the loan market...
The problem is you're almost playing dice with the devil by relying on the loan market so heavily - There is a reason that Shrewsbury (and I reckon Lincoln) cant sustain a promotion push every year because it is an impossible job to keep trying to find the next Conor Gallagher or Brennan Johnson as you'll inevitablly end up with the next Matt Smith or Martyn Waghorn.1 -
Early days yet, saturdays result was good and yes we need more players in but lets give it some time.DOUCHER said:
fair enough - i was only about 9 or 10 then but i just remember those guys being part of the old charlton that i first experienced when we were never going anywhere - fads kit promotion season aside - but i guess u r right - we r comparing what i consider to be dull lower championship sides with a side now which will be unlikely to get out of league 1Bailey said:
For the record Doucher, Dick Tydeman captained one of the best sides we had in the eighties, under Mike Bailey. They basically cruised to promotion and I think they set either a record number of wins or games undefeated that season. I think you may have been unfortunate to witness the season before when they got relegated, Bailey was appointed Manager then he wasn't, we had shit bags at the club in Tony Hazel and Lawrie Madden and they were that bad you and I could have got a game. If Dick Tydeman ever lumped it long then it was a game I must have missed, he was known for his passing ability.DOUCHER said:my mate played for welling in the eighties when berry joined them just as he was finishing his career - said he was awful - i remember both of them as a kid and all i remember about them is lumping it into the channel and getting done for pace1 -
I would love to see an in depth documentary on a clubs recruitment process. We’ve all got this image of Football Manager which we know isn’t true, but we are also told of a team of people working round the clock. Fair enough, but what they doing? Who they calling? What they saying? It can’t be like Wolf of bloody Wall Street.16
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Players blossom and there’s always some surprises. For example, very few would have thought Karlan Grant would have been prem standard (or at least upper championship standard) before the season had started. There will be some players from this crop who will be Championship level if we do go up.Redrobo said:If we buy players of league 1 standard players this season, won’t we need another re-build if we go up?2 -
Have we? We've signed Dobson, Clare, MacGillivray and Stockley this summer, so that's four, and we've got a possible deal in place to buy Akin all being well. We also renewed Matthews, JFC, Pearce and Watson, who were all on their way out. We also signed DJ last January who is a key part of our rebuild, and to a lesser extent Schwartz who so far isn't working out but we'll see. Add to that the deal that's apparently in place to sign Kirk if we can get it over the line, that's actually a large number of players we've tied down to the club since Sandgaard was able to. It might not be all exciting big transfers but it's a lot of expenditure on getting in enough players to be able to function as a football side. That's what we'll need to build on over time. On top of that the window isn't closed yet and we could see more permanents coming in. We've heard that teams want silly money for their players so getting some quality loans in is a no-brainer to flesh out the squad, and then hopefully fill those spots the next window/season with a new budgetJ BLOCK said:
We have to do a total rebuild and we’ve bought in 3 new first team players this summer thus far, I’d say that’s worth questioning.Garrymanilow said:
Because we have to do a total rebuild thanks to the mismanagement of the club over the past few years. Under Roland it was all loans and short-term deals and sales of useful players. So far this season we've renewed a number of contracts and signed some permanent players on 2 and 3 year deals. In the short term we'll need to bring in loans, but next season we'll have a better spine in place and can add to ti with new permanent players and bring in fewer loans. If Roland and ESI hadn't left us in such a state then this wouldn't be necessary, but they did, so it is.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.Remember, this is the second transfer window under TS now.
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Could be another we're seeing a slow market with us.Redrobo said:If we buy players of league 1 standard players this season, won’t we need another re-build if we go up?
We could well be aiming for ready made Championship players rather than those who are experienced at this level, but unknown commodities at the level above (Joe Pigott and Scott Fraser for example), who want to hold out and see if there will be interest from that level before they drop down - Two year contracts all round certainly dont make sense.
Would like to point out that I'm not burying my head in the sand, nor being needlessly positive as usual - I just try to find reasons as to why things arent happening, rather than simply presuming the worst... Ultimately I know I'll probably be more wrong than right on these occasions, but its certainly feels a healthier / better approach to being miserable0 -
That’s a very good shoutValleyGary said:I would love to see an in depth documentary on a clubs recruitment process. We’ve all got this image of Football Manager which we know isn’t true, but we are also told of a team of people working round the clock. Fair enough, but what they doing? Who they calling? What they saying? It can’t be like Wolf of bloody Wall Street.1 -
There’s some people that think that’s ok. Bizarre.cafcfan1990 said:
5 loans every season means this is going to be the case every summer though.ForeverAddickted said:
To be fair, neither really needed to as they didnt lose the First Team players like we did.killerandflash said:
Neither Peterborough (1 loan plus an emergency keeper) or Hull (max 3 loans) relied heavily on loans last seasonCafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.
Peterborough lost Toney on 1st Sept that was it apart from those they chose to release... Even before selling Toney they'd had already brought in Clarke-Harris and then brought in Szmodics a week later, and that was it - So meant they effectively went into League One with the same squad the season from before.
Its why its frustrating that we still need such depth added to the team, if we didnt then I'd favour our chances over Ipswich, as we'd be the team in Peterborough's shoes where we'd have the squad togetherness and familiarity sorted, whilst Paul Cook after two games is still trying to gel his squad together.
Its also worth noting that Peterborough that season before "finished" in seventh, the exact same place as us last term - They went into that summer knowing just a small bit of tweaking was all that was needed - Shame we didnt learn from that ourselves.
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Yes three, stockley isn’t new, he was here last season.Garrymanilow said:
Have we? We've signed Dobson, Clare, MacGillivray and Stockley this summer, so that's four, and we've got a possible deal in place to buy Akin all being well. We also renewed Matthews, JFC, Pearce and Watson, who were all on their way out. We also signed DJ last January who is a key part of our rebuild, and to a lesser extent Schwartz who so far isn't working out but we'll see. Add to that the deal that's apparently in place to sign Kirk if we can get it over the line, that's actually a large number of players we've tied down to the club since Sandgaard was able to. It might not be all exciting big transfers but it's a lot of expenditure on getting in enough players to be able to function as a football side. That's what we'll need to build on over time. On top of that the window isn't closed yet and we could see more permanents coming in. We've heard that teams want silly money for their players so getting some quality loans in is a no-brainer to flesh out the squad, and then hopefully fill those spots the next window/season with a new budgetJ BLOCK said:
We have to do a total rebuild and we’ve bought in 3 new first team players this summer thus far, I’d say that’s worth questioning.Garrymanilow said:
Because we have to do a total rebuild thanks to the mismanagement of the club over the past few years. Under Roland it was all loans and short-term deals and sales of useful players. So far this season we've renewed a number of contracts and signed some permanent players on 2 and 3 year deals. In the short term we'll need to bring in loans, but next season we'll have a better spine in place and can add to ti with new permanent players and bring in fewer loans. If Roland and ESI hadn't left us in such a state then this wouldn't be necessary, but they did, so it is.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.Remember, this is the second transfer window under TS now.0 -
Only on loan though - Still had to re-negotiate with his parent club?J BLOCK said:
Yes three, stockley isn’t new, he was here last season.Garrymanilow said:
Have we? We've signed Dobson, Clare, MacGillivray and Stockley this summer, so that's four, and we've got a possible deal in place to buy Akin all being well. We also renewed Matthews, JFC, Pearce and Watson, who were all on their way out. We also signed DJ last January who is a key part of our rebuild, and to a lesser extent Schwartz who so far isn't working out but we'll see. Add to that the deal that's apparently in place to sign Kirk if we can get it over the line, that's actually a large number of players we've tied down to the club since Sandgaard was able to. It might not be all exciting big transfers but it's a lot of expenditure on getting in enough players to be able to function as a football side. That's what we'll need to build on over time. On top of that the window isn't closed yet and we could see more permanents coming in. We've heard that teams want silly money for their players so getting some quality loans in is a no-brainer to flesh out the squad, and then hopefully fill those spots the next window/season with a new budgetJ BLOCK said:
We have to do a total rebuild and we’ve bought in 3 new first team players this summer thus far, I’d say that’s worth questioning.Garrymanilow said:
Because we have to do a total rebuild thanks to the mismanagement of the club over the past few years. Under Roland it was all loans and short-term deals and sales of useful players. So far this season we've renewed a number of contracts and signed some permanent players on 2 and 3 year deals. In the short term we'll need to bring in loans, but next season we'll have a better spine in place and can add to ti with new permanent players and bring in fewer loans. If Roland and ESI hadn't left us in such a state then this wouldn't be necessary, but they did, so it is.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.Remember, this is the second transfer window under TS now.
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The team has 3 new players in it from last season, with 1 of those being a like for like goalkeeper. We all know a rebuild was needed and we are on 3 new signings with weeks left of the window. I have been glass half full about this most of the summer but if we lose Saturday, the knives will be out, whether you agree or disagree with it.ForeverAddickted said:
Only on loan though - Still had to re-negotiate with his parent club?J BLOCK said:
Yes three, stockley isn’t new, he was here last season.Garrymanilow said:
Have we? We've signed Dobson, Clare, MacGillivray and Stockley this summer, so that's four, and we've got a possible deal in place to buy Akin all being well. We also renewed Matthews, JFC, Pearce and Watson, who were all on their way out. We also signed DJ last January who is a key part of our rebuild, and to a lesser extent Schwartz who so far isn't working out but we'll see. Add to that the deal that's apparently in place to sign Kirk if we can get it over the line, that's actually a large number of players we've tied down to the club since Sandgaard was able to. It might not be all exciting big transfers but it's a lot of expenditure on getting in enough players to be able to function as a football side. That's what we'll need to build on over time. On top of that the window isn't closed yet and we could see more permanents coming in. We've heard that teams want silly money for their players so getting some quality loans in is a no-brainer to flesh out the squad, and then hopefully fill those spots the next window/season with a new budgetJ BLOCK said:
We have to do a total rebuild and we’ve bought in 3 new first team players this summer thus far, I’d say that’s worth questioning.Garrymanilow said:
Because we have to do a total rebuild thanks to the mismanagement of the club over the past few years. Under Roland it was all loans and short-term deals and sales of useful players. So far this season we've renewed a number of contracts and signed some permanent players on 2 and 3 year deals. In the short term we'll need to bring in loans, but next season we'll have a better spine in place and can add to ti with new permanent players and bring in fewer loans. If Roland and ESI hadn't left us in such a state then this wouldn't be necessary, but they did, so it is.J BLOCK said:
Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years.Cafc43v3r said:
No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up. It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up. Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune. Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans.J BLOCK said:Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens.Remember, this is the second transfer window under TS now.
Not like Forster-Caskey | Matthews etc. where we only had to re-negotiate a new dealI can’t understand how their has been such little activity with things being worked on ‘day and night’ for weeks now.I thought this would be different, but we will again be relying on loan players this summer to get us promoted.5 -
My view exactly. Spending needs to be made on players that can make the journey, and securing the youth players on contracts. We spent years getting in this mess and it may take a bit longer to build than TS first thought.ForeverAddickted said:
Could be another we're seeing a slow market with us.Redrobo said:If we buy players of league 1 standard players this season, won’t we need another re-build if we go up?
We could well be aiming for ready made Championship players rather than those who are experienced at this level, but unknown commodities at the level above (Joe Pigott and Scott Fraser for example), who want to hold out and see if there will be interest from that level before they drop down - Two year contracts all round certainly dont make sense.
Would like to point out that I'm not burying my head in the sand, nor being needlessly positive as usual - I just try to find reasons as to why things arent happening, rather than simply presuming the worst... Ultimately I know I'll probably be more wrong than right on these occasions, but its certainly feels a healthier / better approach to being miserable
I have total faith in SG to still bring in a couple of decent players on permanent contracts and excel in the loan market. It is what he does and he is very good at it.
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I bet his lol count went through the roof with that effort.Henry Irving said:
That's Guy Luzon who Ronnie/Bexley Boy Colin Sams said was the third best manager in Charlton history.BigRedEvil said:I've heard Adkins is going to walk due to lack of transfer activity and Guy Luzon will be making a return.
No, really, he said that.0
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