Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

thenewbie

That sounds pretty plausible. I don't think it was the ORIGINAL plan necessarily but if we have somehow ended up there it wouldn't surprise me.

Which is not to say I am especially happy or impressed as this could backfire when we really really need everything to work perfectly.

Wheresmeticket

I'd love it to be true therefore I don't believe it.

East Kent Addick

Very risky approach how often have we seen them try and get some decent signings on deadline day and then fail or fall back on 5th or 6th choice. If you want to mount a serious top 2 promotion challenge, rather than aim for the play-offs, then you need the squad sorted in close season not 3 defeats into the season. Also I don't accept the excuse that prem lge teams don't sort out their loans till end of August as that's clearly not true as plenty of other teams have secured decent prem loans throughout the summer.

vff

CafcWest said:

For what it's worth (not much) my theory:  We are leaving everything to the last few days.  Plan is to find available, unttached, whatever, L1 or Championship Players without a club.  We then offer them L1 wages within our budget - but a big promotion bonus if we go up (and maybe a smaller bonus just to make the play offs).  That way we get players that fit the budget - who accept lower wages as better than nothing...with the added incentive to aim at promotion.  In addition a few loans from (ideally) prem clubs that want to get some experience in some of their fringe or lower age players.

Great theory -  but where are they & where all the premiership loans ? 8 days to go and its tumbleweeds. Its the opposite to the record breaking points strategy of the Chris Powell promotion year that did actually sweep the league away. Personally, I think that this is a case of wishful thinking & that Thomas Sandgaard, as much as we all love him, doesn't have the money or wishes to put the budget in.

I would love to be proved wrong and there be a number of decent signings and loans this week.

Something appears to have changed from the initial bravado.  I am wondering whether Thomas Sandgaard needs a new investor.

On the current squad - its League One with an outside historic L1 relegation battle if there are unfortunate injuries to an already depleted squad.

Rothko

I still think we'll sign someone like Josh Sims in the coming days

Six-a-bag-of-nuts

Insider source tells me recruitment team zoom meeting keep mentioning a player called Izzy Fecking-Cheap. 

Covered_End_Lad

Dan Crowley is one we were looking at.

Cafc43v3r

Rothko said:

I still think we'll sign someone like Josh Sims in the coming days

I would be suprised, pleasantly suprised but suprised none the less, if we sign another winger. 

Redrobo

East Kent Addick said:

Very risky approach how often have we seen them try and get some decent signings on deadline day and then fail or fall back on 5th or 6th choice. If you want to mount a serious top 2 promotion challenge, rather than aim for the play-offs, then you need the squad sorted in close season not 3 defeats into the season. Also I don't accept the excuse that prem lge teams don't sort out their loans till end of August as that's clearly not true as plenty of other teams have secured decent prem loans throughout the summer.

I don’t think anyone has suggested that Prem league teams don’t sort out any loans until the end of August, it is more that there will be youth players close to being selected for the main squad. By definition these are, or should be, the better players.

When the squads get announced it becomes clear who is available. Obviously Championship clubs will also be interested, but that does not mean that they are the automatic choice. Style of play, quality of coaching and likelihood of playing all play apart.
There is also a knock on from Championship clubs who will loan out players.
One can only hope we are in for a full quota.

PWADDICK

Covered_End_Lad said:

Dan Crowley is one we were looking at.

Only 1 assist last season, brilliant 

Rothko

Cafc43v3r said:

Rothko said:

I still think we'll sign someone like Josh Sims in the coming days

I would be suprised, pleasantly suprised but suprised none the less, if we sign another winger. 

More of that level of experience than position

East Kent Addick

Would love to be proved wrong but I'm resigned to another 2 seasons in the 3rd division in keeping with past experience when, with the exception of the Mike Bailey season, we've taken 3 years to get out. Squad looks nowhere near being able to compete for promotion.

Cafc43v3r

Covered_End_Lad said:

Dan Crowley is one we were looking at.

Lads had more trials than the Krays this summer. 

Unbelievable talent but not "oven ready" not what we need right now.  Saying that you need to look at it as a whole, it depends who else we are looking at. 

thenewbie

Covered_End_Lad said:

Dan Crowley is one we were looking at.

Were as in we've stopped or just not going anywhere right now?

PWADDICK said:

Covered_End_Lad said:

Dan Crowley is one we were looking at.

Only 1 assist last season, brilliant 

Played in a promotion winning side though, more than any of the other midfielders we've got can say.

killerandflash

The Big PL clubs have already done plenty of loan business, so it's not as if nothing has happened yet.

For example, Chelsea have so far loaned 15 players out already, including 3 to the PL, 5 to the Championship and 2 to L1


Arsenal have loaned out 11 players, including 3 to the Championship and 1 to L1

Sage

Rothko said:

I still think we'll sign someone like Josh Sims in the coming days

Can’t believe he’s not been signed up, but hope we are in for him and he does sign. 

Todds_right_hook

Covered_End_Lad said:

Dan Crowley is one we were looking at.

Great….a retired rugby player is just what we need

golfaddick

CafcWest said:

For what it's worth (not much) my theory:  We are leaving everything to the last few days.  Plan is to find available, unttached, whatever, L1 or Championship Players without a club.  We then offer them L1 wages within our budget - but a big promotion bonus if we go up (and maybe a smaller bonus just to make the play offs).  That way we get players that fit the budget - who accept lower wages as better than nothing...with the added incentive to aim at promotion.  In addition a few loans from (ideally) prem clubs that want to get some experience in some of their fringe or lower age players.

So the plan, if I get this right, was to ignore 3 months of summer building, start the season with a weak squad & put ALL our eggs into getting out of contract players on Aug 31st because they will he desperate for any sort of income.

That is not a credible plan, especially not from a businessman who built a billion dollar business from scratch. 

ShootersHillGuru

golfaddick said:

CafcWest said:

For what it's worth (not much) my theory:  We are leaving everything to the last few days.  Plan is to find available, unttached, whatever, L1 or Championship Players without a club.  We then offer them L1 wages within our budget - but a big promotion bonus if we go up (and maybe a smaller bonus just to make the play offs).  That way we get players that fit the budget - who accept lower wages as better than nothing...with the added incentive to aim at promotion.  In addition a few loans from (ideally) prem clubs that want to get some experience in some of their fringe or lower age players.

So the plan, if I get this right, was to ignore 3 months of summer building, start the season with a weak squad & put ALL our eggs into getting out of contract players on Aug 31st because they will he desperate for any sort of income.

That is not a credible plan, especially not from a businessman who built a billion dollar business from scratch. 

I can’t believe that we are not still very actively pursuing good players to strengthen and who will cost money. I think we are.

golfaddick

Rothko said:

I still think we'll sign someone like Josh Sims in the coming days

someone LIKE Josh Sims.....just not Josh Sims himself.

SuedeAdidas

golfaddick said:

Rothko said:

I still think we'll sign someone like Josh Sims in the coming days

someone LIKE Josh Sims.....just not Josh Sims himself.

Joyce Sims?

Swisdom

Covered_End_Lad said:

Dan Crowley is one we were looking at.

I’ve said a few times I really really like him.  That would be an outstanding signing 

CharltontillidieCOYR

Swisdom said:

Covered_End_Lad said:

Dan Crowley is one we were looking at.

I’ve said a few times I really really like him.  That would be an outstanding signing 

From what i have just seen he has had trials at gillingham was close to signing for cheltenham but has another agent playing silly buggers changing the goal posts all the time

strange he hasnt been snapped up yet same as sims

esseffect

Said if before, would be very happy with Dan Crowley. Big question mark over why he hasn’t been signed up elsewhere already. Was he not trialing with a league 1 club already? 

ShootersHillGuru

Apologies. Who is Dan Crowley ?

SwingForward

Would anyone take a chance on Jack Wilshire ? - currently a free agent - could be the experienced creative pro we need this season in midfield - 1 season deal ? 

ShootersHillGuru

SwingForward said:

Would anyone take a chance on Jack Wilshire ? - currently a free agent - could be the experienced creative pro we need this season in midfield - 1 season deal ? 

Pay as you play would be my best offer.

Gribbo

SwingForward said:

Would anyone take a chance on Jack Wilshire ? - currently a free agent - could be the experienced creative pro we need this season in midfield - 1 season deal ? 

Yes

But pretty sure he'd want too much

RedJohn

Crowley is not the answer, too lightweight and does not work hard enough without the ball.

DamoNorthStand

SwingForward said:

Would anyone take a chance on Jack Wilshire ? - currently a free agent - could be the experienced creative pro we need this season in midfield - 1 season deal ? 

Let me just stress my LOL was more along the lines of Tommy entertaining Wilshere’s financial demands rather than the player himself.

Also he would take one look at Sean Clare, George Dobson and Albie Morgan in training and would be running back down Sparrows Lane so fast he would injure himself trying to escape