Even without Covid I suspect the public may not accept 20,000 "ordinary" deaths from flu over XMAS next year.
Lockdowns and restrictions may be a winter hazard for a few years to come - we'll just have to get used to it.
If we Lockdown nect year, it means either the vaccine boosters didn't work, or there's a nect lever strain doing the rounds. It really shouldn't get that bad again unless something goes tragically wrong.
If there are not capacity crowds at the start of the season, it's simply that everyone has gone completely paranoid with virusphobia like @ElfsborgAddick.
If there are not capacity crowds at the start of the season, it's simply that everyone has gone completely paranoid with virusphobia like @ElfsborgAddick.
Think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves.
Yes everything is looking positive recently but you have to be cautious. They’ve already tried to open the country up a few times and had to go back into lockdown when cases spiked. We have a vaccine this time which is (key word) likely to make all the difference but until we have solid data to back that up, it would be madness to have a free for all.
I know people want to go back to normal ASAP (who doesn’t?) but the sensible folks in charge of the science will rightly suggest a gradual return over the next 6-12 months.
Think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves.
Yes everything is looking positive recently but you have to be cautious. They’ve already tried to open the country up a few times and had to go back into lockdown when cases spiked. We have a vaccine this time which is (key word) likely to make all the difference but until we have solid data to back that up, it would be madness to have a free for all.
I know people want to go back to normal ASAP (who doesn’t?) but the sensible folks in charge of the science will rightly suggest a gradual return over the next 6-12 months.
Somebody else that has virusphobia like me, join the club mate.
Think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves.
Yes everything is looking positive recently but you have to be cautious. They’ve already tried to open the country up a few times and had to go back into lockdown when cases spiked. We have a vaccine this time which is (key word) likely to make all the difference but until we have solid data to back that up, it would be madness to have a free for all.
I know people want to go back to normal ASAP (who doesn’t?) but the sensible folks in charge of the science will rightly suggest a gradual return over the next 6-12 months.
Somebody else that has virusphobia like me, join the club mate.
Membership is standing at two presently.
Nothing to do with virusphobia, just trying to look at it rationally.
With the season ticket numbers probably being in the 8000-10000 range, everyone who has bought one will get in a 27000 stadium from August. That’s my gut feeling.
I think it’s likely to be walk ups and away fans that will be restricted at first.
Think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves.
Yes everything is looking positive recently but you have to be cautious. They’ve already tried to open the country up a few times and had to go back into lockdown when cases spiked. We have a vaccine this time which is (key word) likely to make all the difference but until we have solid data to back that up, it would be madness to have a free for all.
I know people want to go back to normal ASAP (who doesn’t?) but the sensible folks in charge of the science will rightly suggest a gradual return over the next 6-12 months.
Last year's opening up was a shambles
This year (mainly thanks to the vaccine) the release from lockdown has been slow and steady. At every stage including today, the release of restrictions hasn't caused problems, whether children going back to school, non essential shops opening or pub gardens. We have solid data for every stage so far. Therefore, yes there's no guarantee that the final stage of release will happen on the 21st June, it's HIGHLY likely.
And Charlton, like every other club are proceeding on that basis.
Think this is a bit unfair for the away teams, as they won’t be allowed any at their homes games. After all it’s the EFL and they should have a say in this, not like they are likely to make a decision.
I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.
Think this is a bit unfair for the away teams, as they won’t be allowed any at their homes games. After all it’s the EFL and they should have a say in this, not like they are likely to make a decision.
They do have a say in it, but the government has to give permission first or there is nothing to decide.
I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.
It will be interesting if that is the case, seeing as thousands of people will be able to be in close proximity every day at Bluewater, Lakeside etc. without the need for a negative test.
Don't go then and leave the rest of us who are prepared to take the minute risk more room.
If you were referring to me explain why you made the comment. I was surprising what will be the reality simply because having screwed shut downs twice the government won't want to do it again. I went in September on the 19th. It seemed quite safe and in the pubs we went to. However it was after this game someone noticed the virus was on the rise. That ended attendance to fixtures until December 2nd. After this one there have been no attendance fixtures to date. The reason was the virus was despite Boris's denials, on the rise even more. I think your remark a go at me for the sake of it and without due consideration of the circumstances before. I have explained them to you.
Perhaps his remark was aimed at you because he's fed up with people like you with such irrational fear who want to continue to deny us to live our lives.
You cannot compare pre-vaccine days with the present situation.
@Addicted has been very nice about it considering that we've had to pander to those with this phobia for so long. Perhaps he, like myself, has been relatively quiet due to the danger of variants but now this danger has passed I think you should expect greater resistance to your anti-freedom stance.
I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.
It will be interesting if that is the case, seeing as thousands of people will be able to be in close proximity every day at Bluewater, Lakeside etc. without the need for a negative test.
Couldn't care any less what goes on at bluewater, if a negative test gets me into crossbars for 3 hours before the game and then in my seat for 90 mins then I'm all over it. If anything it's a sensible approach, cant see why anyone would be against it.
I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.
It will be interesting if that is the case, seeing as thousands of people will be able to be in close proximity every day at Bluewater, Lakeside etc. without the need for a negative test.
Couldn't care any less what goes on at bluewater, if a negative test gets me into crossbars for 3 hours before the game and then in my seat for 90 mins then I'm all over it. If anything it's a sensible approach, cant see why anyone would be against it.
I guess the question is, what makes Crossbars any different to any pub up and down the country? (assuming that you don't need a negative test to get into one of them).
I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.
It will be interesting if that is the case, seeing as thousands of people will be able to be in close proximity every day at Bluewater, Lakeside etc. without the need for a negative test.
Couldn't care any less what goes on at bluewater, if a negative test gets me into crossbars for 3 hours before the game and then in my seat for 90 mins then I'm all over it. If anything it's a sensible approach, cant see why anyone would be against it.
I guess the question is, what makes Crossbars any different to any pub up and down the country? (assuming that you don't need a negative test to get into one of them).
Crossbars is an extention of the ground. I guess the main issue is the amount of people, I know weatherspoons gets busy.. but its not upto 28000 people all in one space for 2 hours.
I'm 99% certain that some music festivals will happen with a 'covid passport', cant see why football will be different.
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Paranoid you say?
Intend to do at least 6/7 of them next year - particularly the new grounds. Hoping a couple of Lifers will join in with me.
I know people want to go back to normal ASAP (who doesn’t?) but the sensible folks in charge of the science will rightly suggest a gradual return over the next 6-12 months.
With the season ticket numbers probably being in the 8000-10000 range, everyone who has bought one will get in a 27000 stadium from August. That’s my gut feeling.
I think it’s likely to be walk ups and away fans that will be restricted at first.
This year (mainly thanks to the vaccine) the release from lockdown has been slow and steady. At every stage including today, the release of restrictions hasn't caused problems, whether children going back to school, non essential shops opening or pub gardens. We have solid data for every stage so far. Therefore, yes there's no guarantee that the final stage of release will happen on the 21st June, it's HIGHLY likely.
And Charlton, like every other club are proceeding on that basis.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.
Conveniently thats when the Play-Offs start
Barnsley (Swansea's opponents) for example are already preparing to be allowed fans in themselves as well
https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/2021/may/important-ticketing-news/
You cannot compare pre-vaccine days with the present situation.
@Addicted has been very nice about it considering that we've had to pander to those with this phobia for so long. Perhaps he, like myself, has been relatively quiet due to the danger of variants but now this danger has passed I think you should expect greater resistance to your anti-freedom stance.
I'm 99% certain that some music festivals will happen with a 'covid passport', cant see why football will be different.