I dont think its because we're not liked, I think its becoming a myth meaning that the public take it less seriously every year resulting in a poor choice representing us.
e.g. Until last night the UK had won it a lot more recently than; Italy (1990), France (1977) and Switzerland (1988) who were the top three... Portugal themselves have only won it the once (2017), whilst the recent Netherlands victory was their fifth win yet first since 1975
Spain, you have to go back to 1969 whilst Germany won in 2010, yet 1982 was their only other victory.
Are each of those Nations struggling because Europe dont like them?
We don’t do well because we choose shit songs with crappy performers mainly. But also because British (English) taste in music isn’t shared with those who like Eurovision.
I dont think its because we're not liked, I think its becoming a myth meaning that the public take it less seriously every year resulting in a poor choice representing us.
e.g. Until last night the UK had won it a lot more recently than; Italy (1990), France (1977) and Switzerland (1988) who were the top three... Portugal themselves have only won it the once (2017), whilst the recent Netherlands victory was their fifth win yet first since 1975
Spain, you have to go back to 1969 whilst Germany won in 2010, yet 1982 was their only other victory.
Are each of those Nations struggling because Europe dont like them?
I get your point @ForeverAddickted, it just seems as though, since our last victory in 1997, our scores have got progressively worse and the 'political' scoring is defo worse than it was back in the day. Perhaps I'm just pissed off that far worse songs get scores and we don't! I think there is a dislike and it, to me, is becoming worse. However in the grand scheme of things it's a song competition and not the end of the world 👍
I said to my Mrs last night, the UK will never win this again, in fact we will be nearer the bottom or bottom every year. I suggested we ask a world renowned band to chuck out a song one year, perhaps Coldplay, Franz Ferdinand, Florence and the Machine etc etc and I guarantee you will still wouldn't win!! We are not liked end of, and perhaps we've only got ourselves to blame? The stupid thing is we are one of the 'big 5' as we chip in to the cost of it all. Perhaps if we just said "oh well not paying any more we don't want a guaranteed final place" and we take our chances in the semi finals it wouldn't be so bad. Our singer last night I believe has won Brit awards and an Emmy? Yet came last with zero points.....what a farce! The song was no worldy classic but was better than some of the other dross last night, including the song from Switzerland!
He’d won awards as a songwriter, not as a performer. The performance was definitely one of the worst on the night, and too bland to even secure a zany vote from those with “unique” musical tastes (see: Germany). I thought ours was similar to Spain’s but their singer at least sounded better than ours so wasn’t surprised we were bottom with nil point.
We don’t do well because we choose shit songs with crappy performers mainly. But also because British (English) taste in music isn’t shared with those who like Eurovision.
Don’t buy it, look at the Apple Music national charts, and there isn’t massive difference in the top 20s between the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain for example.
We don’t put decent acts up, with decent songs and staging.
The European song contest is a misnomer. Australia and Israel joined Europe when ?
It's camp, crass, and is a panto but I watch it every year and hate the heavy metal shit and the arseholes who are 40 years late to the look at us we are effing rebels. Keep sniffing Charlie guys and you can be rebels without a cause.
Russian grannies or young beautiful blondes on a milk stall is why I watch not for Italy, Finland to debase the nonsense that is this "competition" To be honest, I will leave the Russian Grannies to Wayne Rooney, I prefer the artistic choreography of the blonde Milkmaid, of two years ago. (Maybe longer ?)
Heavy rock has no place in this folk, pop, dressing up, burlesque evening of European madness.
I’d also add, we give it to Radio 2 to do the finding and light entertainment, where I think we do better if this was a Radio 1 thing with the backing of BBC music.
If you look at the acts from the rest of Europe, they get played on their equivalents of Radio 1/Capital/Kiss
The European song contest is a misnomer. Australia and Israel joined Europe when ?
It's camp, crass, and is a panto but I watch it every year and hate the heavy metal shit and the arseholes who are 40 years late to the look at us we are effing rebels.
Russian grannies or young beautiful blondes on a milk stall is why I watch not for Italy, Finland to debase the nonsense that is this "competition" To be honest, I will leave the Russian Grannies to Wayne Rooney, I prefer the artistic choreography of the blonde Milkmaid, of two years ago. (Maybe longer ?)
Heavy rock has no place in this folk, pop, dressing up, burlesque evening of European madness.
We are UK, no one likes us, but we do care.
"Europe" is a myth with the song contest
Its not Europe as a continent but its members of the EBU (European Broadcasting Union) - Australia are certainly the odd ones out as think they were purely invited but Morocco and Kazakhstan have the potential to be involved in the future
Give it 2 years and we'll have a vegan non binary (them / their) entry performing a drill version of "oh Jeremy Corbyn" to the tune of Seven Nation Army whilst chained to a bamboo climbing frame on top of a pink boat, and we'll look back on last night with a sense of nostalgia and a longing for simpler times.
When ‘Show us your Talent’ is preferable Saturday night entertainment, it says it all really. When a country such as the UK, that has a rich history of producing musical talent, finishes last in a singing completion with ‘Nul Point’, it just shows what the rest of Europe think of us. Mind you, the song and the singer were truly awful
my missus is never allowed to complain about anything I ever watch on TV after having to sit through that!
Yes, there are some brownie points to be had. That said, when it finished we both agreed that we had wasted 3 hours of our lives that we would never get back.
The Italian band really did have all the cliches covered in their choreography, to use a popular CL phrase ‘cringe’. Eurovision has not relation to the music industry, go to any festivals in these places and all the main draws are UK or US talent.
The UK has always been the greatest music nation in the world, it has the history and legacy no other country can ever hope to have. What we see with Eurovision is the reaction of a few bitter little continents, it isn’t run by the music industry it’s run by the theatre industry, and the panto section at that…this is their one little chance to have a bit of a dig, it’s just jealousy. They want to be in the proper music industry but don’t have the talent for serious music.
Simon Cowell sums it up when an auditionee(sp?) has a good voice but not that ‘x factor’ he’ll tell them to try cruise ships or holiday camps, it’s not an insult its that they aren’t right for the music industry- it may still be singing but it’s a different business; Eurovision falls into this. It’s just a novelty act. Ignore.
There is a bitterness towards us which to be fair we bring on ourselves to a certain degree. When you are perceived as a nation to dislike foreigners, foreigners may not like you back. There are also different musical tastes which we will all struggle with. That song with the woman screeching felt like being nagged, but a lot seemed to like it. Cyprus and Greece sang songs that were not really of a Greek style, but they still gave each other 12 points. Ultimately, do we care if we get nil points? I care more that a song that I thought was clearly in the top four (Cyprus) and I bet on wasn't appreciated as such. The Swiss song was crap and the French one so generic and bland it was unreal.
I thought the French song was typical Eurovision bait , there's one of those type of big native language ballads every year that does really well. Was surprised San Marino rolling out Flo Rida as a guest artist didn't go down as well as I might have expected.
Think Iceland with a proper live performance would have been right up there , really like Daoi
my missus is never allowed to complain about anything I ever watch on TV after having to sit through that!
Yes, there are some brownie points to be had. That said, when it finished we both agreed that we had wasted 3 hours of our lives that we would never get back.
Try the Doobie Brothers on Sky Arts. Two hours that you won't regret.
There is a bitterness towards us which to be fair we bring on ourselves to a certain degree. When you are perceived as a nation to dislike foreigners, foreigners may not like you back. There are also different musical tastes which we will all struggle with. That song with the woman screeching felt like being nagged, but a lot seemed to like it. Cyprus and Greece sang songs that were not really of a Greek style, but they still gave each other 12 points. Ultimately, do we care if we get nil points? I care more that a song that I thought was clearly in the top four (Cyprus) and I bet on wasn't appreciated as such. The Swiss song was crap and the French one so generic and bland it was unreal.
All your points on Eurovision accepted BUT what evidence is there to suggest we are perceived as disliking foreigners??
my missus is never allowed to complain about anything I ever watch on TV after having to sit through that!
Yes, there are some brownie points to be had. That said, when it finished we both agreed that we had wasted 3 hours of our lives that we would never get back.
Try the Doobie Brothers on Sky Arts. Two hours that you won't regret.
Damn, missed that. They're right up my strasse if we're being all European about things.
As for why we get nil points every year? We'll, a lot of us, and certainly our press and our government have effectively been telling our European neighbours to go f### themselves for at least the last 5 years for a start.
It's absolutely no big deal, I quite enjoy seeing us crash and burn so spectacularly tbh, but what do we expect to be the reaction to our rotten attitude to our neighbours?
I wonder what the reaction in Germany is to their massive 3 points? I thought their little ditty was a fun number - just what Eurovision was supposed to be about.
Are they blaming it on the annexing of the Sudetenland?
my missus is never allowed to complain about anything I ever watch on TV after having to sit through that!
Yes, there are some brownie points to be had. That said, when it finished we both agreed that we had wasted 3 hours of our lives that we would never get back.
Did you double up on the weekend bore-fest by watching the Monaco GP too?
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e.g. Until last night the UK had won it a lot more recently than; Italy (1990), France (1977) and Switzerland (1988) who were the top three... Portugal themselves have only won it the once (2017), whilst the recent Netherlands victory was their fifth win yet first since 1975
Spain, you have to go back to 1969 whilst Germany won in 2010, yet 1982 was their only other victory.
Are each of those Nations struggling because Europe dont like them?
Perhaps I'm just pissed off that far worse songs get scores and we don't! I think there is a dislike and it, to me, is becoming worse.
However in the grand scheme of things it's a song competition and not the end of the world 👍
Australia and Israel joined Europe when ?
It's camp, crass, and is a panto but I watch it every year and hate the heavy metal shit and the arseholes who are 40 years late to the look at us we are effing rebels. Keep sniffing Charlie guys and you can be rebels without a cause.
Russian grannies or young beautiful blondes on a milk stall is why I watch not for Italy, Finland to debase the nonsense that is this "competition" To be honest, I will leave the Russian Grannies to Wayne Rooney, I prefer the artistic choreography of the blonde Milkmaid, of two years ago. (Maybe longer ?)
Heavy rock has no place in this folk, pop, dressing up, burlesque evening of European madness.
We are UK, no one likes us, but we do care.
I’d also add, we give it to Radio 2 to do the finding and light entertainment, where I think we do better if this was a Radio 1 thing with the backing of BBC music.
Its not Europe as a continent but its members of the EBU (European Broadcasting Union) - Australia are certainly the odd ones out as think they were purely invited but Morocco and Kazakhstan have the potential to be involved in the future
It's not over till the large lady sings; shame the girl from Malta didn't win or the guy with the high pitched voice from Portugal.
Actually, I completely agree. The German abomination is probably the worse song ever in the history of the competition.
Stayed up until 4am dancing to ABBA 😎
Gutted for Daði but in my heart of hearts, once they couldn’t perform live, knew it would be hard for them to win.
But I’m so very happy that I found them. Completely reignited my passion for music. They are the first new music I have listened to in years.
That Italian nonsense wasn’t even proper rock, Finland much better.
Yes, there are some brownie points to be had. That said, when it finished we both agreed that we had wasted 3 hours of our lives that we would never get back.
Eurovision has not relation to the music industry, go to any festivals in these places and all the main draws are UK or US talent.
The UK has always been the greatest music nation in the world, it has the history and legacy no other country can ever hope to have.
What we see with Eurovision is the reaction of a few bitter little continents, it isn’t run by the music industry it’s run by the theatre industry, and the panto section at that…this is their one little chance to have a bit of a dig, it’s just jealousy. They want to be in the proper music industry but don’t have the talent for serious music.
Simon Cowell sums it up when an auditionee(sp?) has a good voice but not that ‘x factor’ he’ll tell them to try cruise ships or holiday camps, it’s not an insult its that they aren’t right for the music industry- it may still be singing but it’s a different business; Eurovision falls into this. It’s just a novelty act.
Ignore.
Think Iceland with a proper live performance would have been right up there , really like Daoi
Try the Doobie Brothers on Sky Arts. Two hours that you won't regret.
As for why we get nil points every year? We'll, a lot of us, and certainly our press and our government have effectively been telling our European neighbours to go f### themselves for at least the last 5 years for a start.
Too many with attitudes like this...
Or this...
It's absolutely no big deal, I quite enjoy seeing us crash and burn so spectacularly tbh, but what do we expect to be the reaction to our rotten attitude to our neighbours?
Are they blaming it on the annexing of the Sudetenland?