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Sandgaards ego can do one (Ed. And it has for now)
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addick1956 said:
Ultimately this mess can be resolved very easily without any lasting damage and actually Sandgaard might learn from it so could be a good thing in the long run.2 -
Scratchingvalleycat said:The RRR is a Charlton institution which has largely been ignored in recent years. When it has been played, before last Saturday, and there have been crowds in, it has not been sung by the fans, with the Covered End usually belting out Valley Floyd Road to drown out RRR. Suddenly, because it was dropped, it has become sacred again. Play it at the next league home game and see how many of our support actually sing it. I sit in the NWQ and sometime I can barely hear myself singing it because the Covered end do not.
Yes, it has meaning for me since it was played at home when I was a small child. Is it sacrosanct to me. Is it really important to the majority of our support? Obviously not.
Do people vote in favour of keeping it? Yes, because it is tradition and most people hate change.
Will they sing it if it reinstated? Maybe once but then no, because it is an anachronism to many of our support with its dated words and emotions.
Maybe Thomas should have tried a rearrangement of Billy Cotton version, but the screams would have been the same.
Addicks to Victory was a good attempt by TS to bring a different culture, partly American influenced, into the club and he will undoubtedly feel hurt by the criticism he has faced on social media. To the keyboard warriors who have dissed him out of turn on twitter and the like, I would recommend that they learn from history what bad owners are really like.
TS seems to me to be a good owner, spending wisely in this league, attending matches, joining in with much of the spirit of the club. If he was driven by ego, then there would have been many more changes and we would have been told to suck it up, much in the manner of RD and KM.
Simply, if you want RRR then sing it, but dont complain if you dont sing it and someone concludes that it is an unwanted anachronism. If the 3,000 fans that have voted for it had actually sung it then it would have been obvioys to TS that it was of importance.
Rant over.
It shows a lack of understanding.
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SoundAsa£ said:I feel very uncomfortable regarding people using the words vanity and ego.
Without knowing the man, I honestly can’t tell if either of those features played a huge part in this episode.
As someone who has done a few somewhat bizarre things in my life which have impacted on others, I have a different view on it. I just wanted others to enjoy my actions, that sometimes didn’t work out but ego and vanity didn’t really play much of a part in it.
He may just have wanted ‘everyone’ to simply enjoy it and be as excited as he did, through one of his great loves and passions in life, his music.
We know he’s something of an extrovert and that’s fine by me, though extroverts can be a bit OTT for some of us famously reserved Brits.
Having said that, it certainly was a mistake to have replaced RRR.
What part any ego and vanity levels played in this…..Mmmmm I am not sure.I used the vanity word but suspect you are correct3 -
hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Scratchingvalleycat said:The RRR is a Charlton institution which has largely been ignored in recent years. When it has been played, before last Saturday, and there have been crowds in, it has not been sung by the fans, with the Covered End usually belting out Valley Floyd Road to drown out RRR. Suddenly, because it was dropped, it has become sacred again. Play it at the next league home game and see how many of our support actually sing it. I sit in the NWQ and sometime I can barely hear myself singing it because the Covered end do not.
Yes, it has meaning for me since it was played at home when I was a small child. Is it sacrosanct to me. Is it really important to the majority of our support? Obviously not.
Do people vote in favour of keeping it? Yes, because it is tradition and most people hate change.
Will they sing it if it reinstated? Maybe once but then no, because it is an anachronism to many of our support with its dated words and emotions.
Maybe Thomas should have tried a rearrangement of Billy Cotton version, but the screams would have been the same.
Addicks to Victory was a good attempt by TS to bring a different culture, partly American influenced, into the club and he will undoubtedly feel hurt by the criticism he has faced on social media. To the keyboard warriors who have dissed him out of turn on twitter and the like, I would recommend that they learn from history what bad owners are really like.
TS seems to me to be a good owner, spending wisely in this league, attending matches, joining in with much of the spirit of the club. If he was driven by ego, then there would have been many more changes and we would have been told to suck it up, much in the manner of RD and KM.
Simply, if you want RRR then sing it, but dont complain if you dont sing it and someone concludes that it is an unwanted anachronism. If the 3,000 fans that have voted for it had actually sung it then it would have been obvioys to TS that it was of importance.
Rant over.
It shows a lack of understanding.5 -
johnny73 said:Just glad we still have a club!0
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Previously the tannoys were so bad that you could barely hear RRR before the match
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Maybe we need to cut TS some slack as some of the American showboating & bravado has clearly rubbed off on TS . I found it amusing his Bruce Springsteen guitar impressions playing along to VFR but as for team not coming out Red Red Robin,Clearly the sensible thing is to restore RRR and let's move onwards and upwards.If I was TS either drop A2V (it's naff!) or drop it down the play off.However this episode has shone the spotlight on TS as solo artist where are his Rolling Stones? it would be better for TS to have a good band and team and definitely a chief exec who really understands Charlton and can help him steer his way through the pitfalls of owning a London / English club with a rich history and loyal fans.I always found it strange that TS was looking at several clubs, Wigan, Coventry and Sunderland? TS was in fortunate position to buy Charlton, but he's a custodian like a PM, Vicar or Head teacher of an institution, he will serve his time and at sometime he will move on just like previous football owners hopefully in our case leaving us in far better position than he found us. Radio London DJ Robert Elms book “London Made Us” chapter 7 “Leaving Home” explains what has happened toLondoners who have moved out and how returning on match days reconnects them to their manor and past. RRR is an important umbilical cord to being an Addick just likeHammers would go ballistic if Bubbles wasn't played and Chelsea fans Liquidator. Lastly Lucy FA was very professional in her interview with TS, it was interesting that TS somewhat side stepped questions about ownership of Valley / Sparrows lane. Again actions speak louder than words...I hope that TS now puts his energy into getting some quality L1 players into the squad for a serious promotion push and bringing team and grounds under one ownership.6
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Scratchingvalleycat said:The RRR is a Charlton institution which has largely been ignored in recent years. When it has been played, before last Saturday, and there have been crowds in, it has not been sung by the fans, with the Covered End usually belting out Valley Floyd Road to drown out RRR. Suddenly, because it was dropped, it has become sacred again. Play it at the next league home game and see how many of our support actually sing it. I sit in the NWQ and sometime I can barely hear myself singing it because the Covered end do not.
Yes, it has meaning for me since it was played at home when I was a small child.
Is it sacrosanct to me as part of my match day? Yes.
Is it really important to the majority of our support? Obviously not and recognise that I would have to give way to the majority of the support who don't sing it.
Do people vote in favour of keeping it? Yes, because it is tradition and most people hate change.
Will they sing it if it reinstated? Maybe once but then no, because it is an anachronism to many of our support with its dated words and emotions. It's words speak of a percieved idillyic past and reflect what it is.
Maybe Thomas should have tried a rearrangement of Billy Cotton version, but the screams would have been the same.
Addicks to Victory was a good attempt by TS to bring a different culture, partly American influenced, into the club and he will undoubtedly feel hurt by the criticism he has faced on social media. To the keyboard warriors who have dissed him out of turn on twitter and the like, I would recommend that they learn from history what bad owners are really like.
TS seems to me to be a good owner, spending wisely in this league, attending matches, joining in with much of the spirit of the club. If he was driven by ego, then there would have been many more changes and we would have been told to suck it up, much in the manner of RD and KM.
Simply, if you want RRR then sing it, but dont complain if you dont sing it and someone concludes that it is an unwanted anachronism. If the 3,000 fans that have voted for it had actually sung it then it would have been obvious to TS that it was of importance.
Rant over.
Do you think 3,000 fans will sing A2V?
I don't think many people have ever sung RRR, but it is a part of our tradition, is clearly valued by the majority, and it was an error of judgement to remove it.5 -
The music thing, whilst traditions are important , and i want RRR back , i was not outraged as some, as i was just pleased to be back inside a football ground, i'm more concerned about the depth and quality of our first team squad being strengthened at the moment.
Which if we don't get the targets required , will mean another if not a few more seasons in League 1.
Maybe it will take a few seasons to get out of this division, baring in mid , we have virtually been run into the ground, and have few promising saleable assets , to put the club on an even keel ( no not Floyd and Harvey)
This is an 'easy win' for Thomas , bring the music back , says , yep i didn't mean to upset any one , everyone s a winner , and we can move on to moan about something else!1 -
Scratchingvalleycat said:...Play it at the next league home game and see how many of our support actually sing it. I sit in the NWQ and sometime I can barely hear myself singing it because the Covered end do not...
Is it really important to the majority of our support? Obviously not and recognise that I would have to give way to the majority of the support who don't sing it...
Will they sing it if it reinstated? Maybe once but then no, because it is an anachronism to many of our support with its dated words and emotions. It's words speak of a percieved idillyic past and reflect what it is.
Maybe Thomas should have tried a rearrangement of Billy Cotton version, but the screams would have been the same.
Addicks to Victory was a good attempt by TS to bring a different culture, partly American influenced, into the club and he will undoubtedly feel hurt by the criticism he has faced on social media. To the keyboard warriors who have dissed him out of turn on twitter and the like, I would recommend that they learn from history what bad owners are really like.
TS seems to me to be a good owner, spending wisely in this league, attending matches, joining in with much of the spirit of the club. If he was driven by ego, then there would have been many more changes and we would have been told to suck it up, much in the manner of RD and KM.
Simply, if you want RRR then sing it, but dont complain if you dont sing it and someone concludes that it is an unwanted anachronism. If the 3,000 fans that have voted for it had actually sung it then it would have been obvious to TS that it was of importance.
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se9addick said:SoundAsa£ said:I feel very uncomfortable regarding people using the words vanity and ego.
Without knowing the man, I honestly can’t tell if either of those features played a huge part in this episode.
As someone who has done a few somewhat bizarre things in my life which have impacted on others, I have a different view on it. I just wanted others to enjoy my actions, that sometimes didn’t work out but ego and vanity didn’t really play much of a part in it.
He may just have wanted ‘everyone’ to simply enjoy it and be as excited as he did, through one of his great loves and passions in life, his music.
We know he’s something of an extrovert and that’s fine by me, though extroverts can be a bit OTT for some of us famously reserved Brits.
Having said that, it certainly was a mistake to have replaced RRR.
What part any ego and vanity levels played in this…..Mmmmm I am not sure.
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SoundAsa£ said:se9addick said:SoundAsa£ said:I feel very uncomfortable regarding people using the words vanity and ego.
Without knowing the man, I honestly can’t tell if either of those features played a huge part in this episode.
As someone who has done a few somewhat bizarre things in my life which have impacted on others, I have a different view on it. I just wanted others to enjoy my actions, that sometimes didn’t work out but ego and vanity didn’t really play much of a part in it.
He may just have wanted ‘everyone’ to simply enjoy it and be as excited as he did, through one of his great loves and passions in life, his music.
We know he’s something of an extrovert and that’s fine by me, though extroverts can be a bit OTT for some of us famously reserved Brits.
Having said that, it certainly was a mistake to have replaced RRR.
What part any ego and vanity levels played in this…..Mmmmm I am not sure.0 -
AFKABartram said:SoundAsa£ said:I feel very uncomfortable regarding people using the words vanity and ego.
Without knowing the man, I honestly can’t tell if either of those features played a huge part in this episode.
As someone who has done a few somewhat bizarre things in my life which have impacted on others, I have a different view on it. I just wanted others to enjoy my actions, that sometimes didn’t work out but ego and vanity didn’t really play much of a part in it.
He may just have wanted ‘everyone’ to simply enjoy it and be as excited as he did, through one of his great loves and passions in life, his music.
We know he’s something of an extrovert and that’s fine by me, though extroverts can be a bit OTT for some of us famously reserved Brits.
Having said that, it certainly was a mistake to have replaced RRR.
What part any ego and vanity levels played in this…..Mmmmm I am not sure.I used the vanity word but suspect you are correct4 -
EugenesAxe said:SoundAsa£ said:se9addick said:SoundAsa£ said:I feel very uncomfortable regarding people using the words vanity and ego.
Without knowing the man, I honestly can’t tell if either of those features played a huge part in this episode.
As someone who has done a few somewhat bizarre things in my life which have impacted on others, I have a different view on it. I just wanted others to enjoy my actions, that sometimes didn’t work out but ego and vanity didn’t really play much of a part in it.
He may just have wanted ‘everyone’ to simply enjoy it and be as excited as he did, through one of his great loves and passions in life, his music.
We know he’s something of an extrovert and that’s fine by me, though extroverts can be a bit OTT for some of us famously reserved Brits.
Having said that, it certainly was a mistake to have replaced RRR.
What part any ego and vanity levels played in this…..Mmmmm I am not sure.
A few others plus cabin crew not at all amused.2 -
We arrived late on Saturday so we missed the pre-match stuff.
Sean Clare says this on the OS:
"It was a bit surreal for me. Growing up as a kid I was watching people walk out to Red, Red Robin so when I heard it in the warm-up it was a bit surreal."
I'm confused. Was RRR played or not?
Or is the issue that it was played, but at the wrong time?2 -
addick1956 said:se9addick said:addick1956 said:
Ultimately this mess can be resolved very easily without any lasting damage and actually Sandgaard might learn from it so could be a good thing in the long run.
However the tune played to Sheffield United at the start of the 2nd half is really rousing. Don't remember it at the start though. I look forward to seeing Thomas play at The Valley with The Who .2 -
TootingRedArmy said:...Radio London DJ Robert Elms book “London Made Us” chapter 7 “Leaving Home” explains what has happened toLondoners who have moved out and how returning on match days reconnects them to their manor and past...33
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Dave Rudd said:We arrived late on Saturday so we missed the pre-match stuff.
Sean Clare says this on the OS:
"It was a bit surreal for me. Growing up as a kid I was watching people walk out to Red, Red Robin so when I heard it in the warm-up it was a bit surreal."
I'm confused. Was RRR played or not?
Or is the issue that it was played, but at the wrong time?1 -
Dave Rudd said:We arrived late on Saturday so we missed the pre-match stuff.
Sean Clare says this on the OS:
"It was a bit surreal for me. Growing up as a kid I was watching people walk out to Red, Red Robin so when I heard it in the warm-up it was a bit surreal."
I'm confused. Was RRR played or not?
Or is the issue that it was played, but at the wrong time?0 -
Stig said:TootingRedArmy said:...Radio London DJ Robert Elms book “London Made Us” chapter 7 “Leaving Home” explains what has happened toLondoners who have moved out and how returning on match days reconnects them to their manor and past...2
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AFKABartram said:Dave Rudd said:We arrived late on Saturday so we missed the pre-match stuff.
Sean Clare says this on the OS:
"It was a bit surreal for me. Growing up as a kid I was watching people walk out to Red, Red Robin so when I heard it in the warm-up it was a bit surreal."
I'm confused. Was RRR played or not?
Or is the issue that it was played, but at the wrong time?0 -
Agh just worked out what A2v stands for , thought it was a diversion for coming up the A2!4
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SporadicAddick said:Scratchingvalleycat said:The RRR is a Charlton institution which has largely been ignored in recent years. When it has been played, before last Saturday, and there have been crowds in, it has not been sung by the fans, with the Covered End usually belting out Valley Floyd Road to drown out RRR. Suddenly, because it was dropped, it has become sacred again. Play it at the next league home game and see how many of our support actually sing it. I sit in the NWQ and sometime I can barely hear myself singing it because the Covered end do not.
Yes, it has meaning for me since it was played at home when I was a small child.
Is it sacrosanct to me as part of my match day? Yes.
Is it really important to the majority of our support? Obviously not and recognise that I would have to give way to the majority of the support who don't sing it.
Do people vote in favour of keeping it? Yes, because it is tradition and most people hate change.
Will they sing it if it reinstated? Maybe once but then no, because it is an anachronism to many of our support with its dated words and emotions. It's words speak of a percieved idillyic past and reflect what it is.
Maybe Thomas should have tried a rearrangement of Billy Cotton version, but the screams would have been the same.
Addicks to Victory was a good attempt by TS to bring a different culture, partly American influenced, into the club and he will undoubtedly feel hurt by the criticism he has faced on social media. To the keyboard warriors who have dissed him out of turn on twitter and the like, I would recommend that they learn from history what bad owners are really like.
TS seems to me to be a good owner, spending wisely in this league, attending matches, joining in with much of the spirit of the club. If he was driven by ego, then there would have been many more changes and we would have been told to suck it up, much in the manner of RD and KM.
Simply, if you want RRR then sing it, but dont complain if you dont sing it and someone concludes that it is an unwanted anachronism. If the 3,000 fans that have voted for it had actually sung it then it would have been obvious to TS that it was of importance.
Rant over.
Do you think 3,000 fans will sing A2V?
I don't think many people have ever sung RRR, but it is a part of our tradition, is clearly valued by the majority, and it was an error of judgement to remove it.0 -
If we absolutely must play ATV then I think it should be after RRR, after handshakes as the players run to clap the fans, get in a huddle etc.1
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We need a name for a thread where everything has been said and there is nothing new to add, yet it still rumbles on.9
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MattF said:5
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I'd prefer my owner to be seen and not heard really, not a fan of him being on twitter to be honest. As for not coming out to RRR, that was pretty poor.11
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Uboat said:We need a name for a thread where everything has been said and there is nothing new to add, yet it still rumbles on.2