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  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,048
    Davo55 said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    people that don't like the thread title can do one.
    How about we change it to "Sandgaard is a pussy who backs down far too easily" Can't see anyone taking issue with that. 😉
    How about we just have a mod close the thread altogether and we can move on 🤷🏻‍♂️
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    SoleBayAddick said:
    For goodness sake, let the man have his moment of glory, he's earnt it.
    Thomas or Sporadic?
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,843
    Very good statement - and as I had anticipated, the man listens.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    As the disgruntled fan that started the thread at 5.33 on Saturday I'd like to add a considered view (at least more considered than some of the "banter" above).

    Notwithstanding all of the excellent work TS has done, much of which is mentioned in this thread, I was genuinely pissed off that we ran (walked) out to his song. It felt like a disregard for the traditions of the club, and by default, disrespectful to the fans.

    Plenty of comments in this thread set out why RRR is so important to many Charlton fans, and TS would have been absolutely aware of this.

    Many in the ground on Saturday had waited 18 months to see the team come out to RRR - it was to be a moment that signified a degree of normality, a return to something familiar, a moment to remember what had been missed. This was the fans moment, not TS's. 

    For people saying that it was collective bedwetting and whining about the smallest things, I disagree. Replacing RRR was not a small thing (as has been demonstrated by the strength of feeling expressed here and elsewhere). It's part of our identity, and you don't give up an identity lightly.

    This afternoon's update is welcome and the right call - well done TS and team.

    It seems that we finally have an owner that gets it and actually has a long term interest in the club beyond a commercial transaction (though lets not kid ourselves, that's ultimately what it is). He has given us all a bit of hope and I think that was reflected in the attendance and atmosphere on Saturday.

    But, lets never be silent or doth our caps and go down the route of "it's his club, he can do what he wants", as we know more than any club that that doesn't always end well.  

    LLL & BH
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,223
    bobmunro said:
    Very good statement - and as I had anticipated, the man listens.
    Exactly this, he is a class act. Misjudged the situation, but I honestly think he just got over-excited and looking back I don't think it was an ego trip at all. It is refreshing to have an owner who cares. I was saying to my mate the other day, it is class he is Charlton-shirted up in the promo videos for this season, he's like an excitable puppy. He is the complete opposite of duchatalet and he might be a bit David Brent, but he is our David Brent, love it
  • nelsonsleftfoot
    nelsonsleftfoot Posts: 308
    Justice. 

  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    SporadicAddick said:
    As the disgruntled fan that started the thread at 5.33 on Saturday I'd like to add a considered view (at least more considered than some of the "banter" above).

    Notwithstanding all of the excellent work TS has done, much of which is mentioned in this thread, I was genuinely pissed off that we ran (walked) out to his song. It felt like a disregard for the traditions of the club, and by default, disrespectful to the fans.

    Plenty of comments in this thread set out why RRR is so important to many Charlton fans, and TS would have been absolutely aware of this.

    Many in the ground on Saturday had waited 18 months to see the team come out to RRR - it was to be a moment that signified a degree of normality, a return to something familiar, a moment to remember what had been missed. This was the fans moment, not TS's. 

    For people saying that it was collective bedwetting and whining about the smallest things, I disagree. Replacing RRR was not a small thing (as has been demonstrated by the strength of feeling expressed here and elsewhere). It's part of our identity, and you don't give up an identity lightly.

    This afternoon's update is welcome and the right call - well done TS and team.

    It seems that we finally have an owner that gets it and actually has a long term interest in the club beyond a commercial transaction (though lets not kid ourselves, that's ultimately what it is). He has given us all a bit of hope and I think that was reflected in the attendance and atmosphere on Saturday.

    But, lets never be silent or doth our caps and go down the route of "it's his club, he can do what he wants", as we know more than any club that that doesn't always end well.  

    LLL & BH
    For me there's a big difference between being silent, and going down the route of it's his club etc, and being unpleasent and discourteous (especially to someone who should still be hugely in credit) which a lot of fans were.

  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,836
    SporadicAddick said:
    As the disgruntled fan that started the thread at 5.33 on Saturday I'd like to add a considered view (at least more considered than some of the "banter" above).

    Notwithstanding all of the excellent work TS has done, much of which is mentioned in this thread, I was genuinely pissed off that we ran (walked) out to his song. It felt like a disregard for the traditions of the club, and by default, disrespectful to the fans.

    Plenty of comments in this thread set out why RRR is so important to many Charlton fans, and TS would have been absolutely aware of this.

    Many in the ground on Saturday had waited 18 months to see the team come out to RRR - it was to be a moment that signified a degree of normality, a return to something familiar, a moment to remember what had been missed. This was the fans moment, not TS's. 

    For people saying that it was collective bedwetting and whining about the smallest things, I disagree. Replacing RRR was not a small thing (as has been demonstrated by the strength of feeling expressed here and elsewhere). It's part of our identity, and you don't give up an identity lightly.

    This afternoon's update is welcome and the right call - well done TS and team.

    It seems that we finally have an owner that gets it and actually has a long term interest in the club beyond a commercial transaction (though lets not kid ourselves, that's ultimately what it is). He has given us all a bit of hope and I think that was reflected in the attendance and atmosphere on Saturday.

    But, lets never be silent or doth our caps and go down the route of "it's his club, he can do what he wants", as we know more than any club that that doesn't always end well.  

    LLL & BH
    Despite my lighthearted "banter" above, which was intended to try to lighten what was becoming a far too bitter exchange, I agree with a great deal of what you say here. I suspect many others would too. But the feedback that the thread title was a bit too OTT was fair enough also. It really doesn't t have to be so black and white. Most situations are nuanced -and, to be fair, that is reflected very well in your latest comments.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    Davo55 said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    As the disgruntled fan that started the thread at 5.33 on Saturday I'd like to add a considered view (at least more considered than some of the "banter" above).

    Notwithstanding all of the excellent work TS has done, much of which is mentioned in this thread, I was genuinely pissed off that we ran (walked) out to his song. It felt like a disregard for the traditions of the club, and by default, disrespectful to the fans.

    Plenty of comments in this thread set out why RRR is so important to many Charlton fans, and TS would have been absolutely aware of this.

    Many in the ground on Saturday had waited 18 months to see the team come out to RRR - it was to be a moment that signified a degree of normality, a return to something familiar, a moment to remember what had been missed. This was the fans moment, not TS's. 

    For people saying that it was collective bedwetting and whining about the smallest things, I disagree. Replacing RRR was not a small thing (as has been demonstrated by the strength of feeling expressed here and elsewhere). It's part of our identity, and you don't give up an identity lightly.

    This afternoon's update is welcome and the right call - well done TS and team.

    It seems that we finally have an owner that gets it and actually has a long term interest in the club beyond a commercial transaction (though lets not kid ourselves, that's ultimately what it is). He has given us all a bit of hope and I think that was reflected in the attendance and atmosphere on Saturday.

    But, lets never be silent or doth our caps and go down the route of "it's his club, he can do what he wants", as we know more than any club that that doesn't always end well.  

    LLL & BH
    Despite my lighthearted "banter" above, which was intended to try to lighten what was becoming a far too bitter exchange, I agree with a great deal of what you say here. I suspect many others would too. But the feedback that the thread title was a bit too OTT was fair enough also. It really doesn't t have to be so black and white. Most situations are nuanced -and, to be fair, that is reflected very well in your latest comments.
    Fair points - the thread title was written in the heat of the moment and may have been influenced by a couple of pints. Ego was probably correct, "do one" probably took it too far in the context of everything else achieved...
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 386
    TBH the whole RRR debacle could have been avoided by better communication 
    The agenda for Saturday was well publicised it COULD OR SHOULD  have been advertised.... " traditional Red, Red Robin song will be played when a variety of Charlton legends are introduced onto the pitch as part of the celebration of Curbishley. Thomas's new song "Addicks to Victory" will be played as a one off as team come out. (Simple Enough)
    It feels that TS is to exposed and needs the support of either a CEO or a senior member of  CAFC staff who can help him navigate and steer through these early days as owner of a famous London Club.Buying Charlton, you get the club, team but also a passionate fan base who have been well and truly shafted by previous owners. Lets move on now, TS is still enjoying himself and why not, but actions speak louder than words or songs, so lets hope that when the transfer window closes TS has bought in new players to give Adkins the team he will need to get us out of League one. I also hope that TS doesn't wait too long before he buys the Valley and Sparrows Lane off RD.
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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    SporadicAddick said:
    Many in the ground on Saturday had waited 18 months to see the team come out to RRR - it was to be a moment that signified a degree of normality, a return to something familiar, a moment to remember what had been missed. This was the fans moment, not TS's. 
    Can I just ask... Did you really think people go to just see the team come out to RRR if so that's an odd position. 

    I am not even sure I'd have noticed immediately, maybe 10 seconds in or so...
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    SporadicAddick said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Nothing wrong with the thread title
    Really?!
    Maybe a touch extreme but i didn’t enjoy him wandering round the valley playing or guitar, let alone the lack of red red robin! Anyway small mistake, won’t happen again - not a big deal
    The red red robin was played, just not as the players came out.

    Just to confirm if Sandgaard and his ego did one, we would be ownerless and accruing debts of 500k a month plus player salaries.
    If we were ownerless, who would be accruing the debt?
    The singing dentist
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    Dazzler21 said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    Many in the ground on Saturday had waited 18 months to see the team come out to RRR - it was to be a moment that signified a degree of normality, a return to something familiar, a moment to remember what had been missed. This was the fans moment, not TS's. 
    Can I just ask... Did you really think people go to just see the team come out to RRR if so that's an odd position. 

    I am not even sure I'd have noticed immediately, maybe 10 seconds in or so...
    No they don't go out just to see this, but for many I'm sure its a key part of what makes a game at The Valley special. For me there are are a few elements:-

     - Walking down Charlton Church Lane / Floyd Road
     - Meetings mates for a beer
     - Going through the turnstiles
     - Walking up the steps and the first view of the ground
     - The players coming out to RRR
     - "Come on you reds" when we get a corner
     - VFR (though at normal tempo...)

    For me, all of these things are part of the event - whether we win lose or draw, whether we are in the Premier League or League One, these things are constant and what I'm emotionally tied to. Players, managers and owners move on, these things don't. If my enjoyment of the day was only linked to results, I would have given up years ago...

  • SE7toSG3
    SE7toSG3 Posts: 3,140
    Great response by Thomas and the club, very happy here
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,351
    I have not been a regular at matches for quite a while. The whole physical process of a game, parking, the walking and the stairs is now just too much for me, BUT the last time I got my decrepid old carcass along to the Valley, when the RRR struck up, the hairs on my neck stood up, my aches and pains disapeared suddenly and I was 14 again standing there with my grandad and uncles.


  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    sirjohnhumphrey said:
    To be honest if Thomas didn’t have an ego it is unlikely he would be in a position to have saved us in the first place. It is probably his ego, drive and determination that helped him make his millions. Some of which he is pumping into us. I think we accept it as part of his make up and acknowledge he may get it wrong in the future at some point. He has done the right thing here.

    But the work so far on the training ground, the medical dept, the staff restructure, the women’s team, the mascots, the renaming of a stand for a legend…surely point to a man who is seeing the bigger picture of our club and what is important to the fan base.

    Yes, we’d all like to be in a position now where we had a full squad and we are certainly short. But surely he wouldn’t do all he has done if he was going to neglect developing and improving the squad. We will have to wait to see how that develops of course.
    Maybe he thinks that he has done, he did (almost) quote the Belgian the other day that in saying that they can't all play at once but then went on to say that they're looking at 2 for each position. Personally I don't think that will happen unless he's including all the youngsters, ready or not. 
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    There's no need to go around in circles now. All areas have been covered and surely we just act mature enough to not antagonise a debate that's had water placed over the fire.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,477
    edited August 2021
    Do us “all” a favour admin and kindly close the thread, it’s been done to death and is in danger of going over the same old ground again and again……IMHO.
    Thanks.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    soapy_jones said:
    I have not been a regular at matches for quite a while. The whole physical process of a game, parking, the walking and the stairs is now just too much for me, BUT the last time I got my decrepid old carcass along to the Valley, when the RRR struck up, the hairs on my neck stood up, my aches and pains disapeared suddenly and I was 14 again standing there with my grandad and uncles.


    I think the older we get the more it means. Certainly when I started going in the 60s I don't think I gave it much thought but over the years it has become an irreplaceable part of Charlton Athletics history & tradition & TS got it very wrong & lets be honest for all those saying "I quite like it etc etc" would you like it if it wasn't the Charlton owners song ?
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Do us “all” a favour admin and kindly close the thread, it’s been done to death and is in danger of going over the same old ground again and again……IMHO.
    Thanks.
    don't read it then - easy not to open....
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376

  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    At this point, I'd actually like them to play it when the players walk out just to see Twitter blow up.
  • Addickhead86
    Addickhead86 Posts: 1,148
    Scoham said:

    Need at least 4x more RRRs to curb that ego again...
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    Forget booing the knee, boo every time they play that piece of crap.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,022
    Thank you for listening Mr Sandgaard.  It's such a refreshing change to have an owner that does that.
  • GoOnYouHaddocks
    GoOnYouHaddocks Posts: 1,044
    Well played TS (the decision, not the song). I hope that I never hear that record ever again, I fecking hate soft metal.
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    edited August 2021
    Don’t worry, anytime soon the bedwetters and conspiracy theorists will find another hobby horse to overreact and moralise about.
    Never in a million years was he going to dump RRR, compete over reaction by some.
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,866
    DA9 said:
    Don’t worry, anytime soon the bedwetters and conspiracy theorists will find another hobby horse to overreact and moralise about.
    Never in a million years was he going to dump RRR, compete over reaction by some.

    It actually sounds more like:

    overacting x reaction/reaction³ +(- moan²)

    Which, believe it or not, equates = 0

    That means, there isn't anything actually wrong here, overall.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    edited August 2021
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  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    Our esteemed ex owner has a new vehicle...


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