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Fair enough mate. I will say no more on it and will see what unfolds. There is a lot of thrice bitten in my thinking and hopefully it is undue pessimism. Not expecting or demanding us to be a footballing success just want the off the field sideshows to stop, at least until we are. Anyway, long season ahead and fingers crossed it'll go well.paulfox said:
I agree with most of what you have expressed, however everyone is entitled to there opinion, whether they have been a fan for 5 or 50 years, or have spent £50 or £50million. I’ve been a fan for over 40 years but do I think my opinion is more worthy than a 30 year supporting fan,,No. At the moment and I understand the reasonswhy, there seems to be a mantra of guilty and prove yourself to be innocent. Which in my opinion is quite sad. TS as it stands has done absolutely nothing wrong and the smallest issues are being jumped upon. I’m not someone to hero worship anybody as I believe people should be seen as equals, but I also appreciate the man has the clubs interest at heart and until he is proven guilty of not doing this and should be supported. Too many people are very keen to prove why they are charltons no.1 fan on this forum and yet we all spend our time and hard earned money on whichever level of affordability we can. We all want the same outcome and yet a song that HASNT been replaced is getting people on there high horse.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:paulfox said:i have to say it’s all a bit much everyone getting precious over a song not being played for what may be a one off at a certain time, it was played while the ex players were introduced for the curbishley stand opening. I wonder how many on here that are up in arms, we’re actually at the game?, if you weren’t then don’t fix.;ng moan, because the bloke that put millions in was. God forbid someone trying something new and upsetting the traditionalists, they might boycott or something. I agree The team should come out to RRR, and then ATR for the 2nd half. But bloody hell the over reaction is just too full of entitlement.TS is trying to make Charlton a good fun place to enjoy and move on from all the shit, and yet people want to continue with negativity and moaning because it suits them.
I wasn't at the game because I am isolating so couldn't be there. Having put thousands into the club over the past thirty years including best part of a grand on season ticket, valley gold I am entitled to have an opinion on someone coming in for 5 minutes and changing a mainstay tradition for a self imposed ego trip. Was Curbishley's day yesterday yet there is TS standing there garnering all the attention.
Do I think he is a bad bloke a'la Southall et el- no of course not. Is he a dour balance sheet weirdo like Duchatelet- no.
And of course he has come in and stopped the club from potentially folding/ facing dire straights which we are of course all grateful for. However, Duchatelet essentially did that to a degree.
What I really don't understand after the past 3 ownerships is how quickly Charlton fans seem to drop to their knees and hero- worship anyone who comes in. Yes he is keeping the club going and has stopped us facing dire straights but that is a symptom of how fucked up modern football is- it doesn't mean they get carte blanche to do what they want or bastardise the traditions of our great club.
I will give TS the benefit of the doubt but I have great concerns that there may be a bit of emperor's clothes here. I don't think he is a wrong un a'la Southall and Nimir but I do think he is perhaps very naïve about football and has massively underestimated what is required to progress a football club in the hugely competitive and pitfall- ridden English leagues.
I have concerns about how long the funding is sustainable, whether he has the funds or the appetite for the reality of the level of spend that is required to get out of this league and then try to even compete, let alone push on, in the Championship and nothing I;ve seen player recruitment wise so far has really given me much confidence in that department and we have started the season after a whole summer to prepare with right backs at left back and no bench.
Yes this is a very negative and pessimistic outlook but after the last 3 owners and seeing the lack of investment in the playing squad which under prior ownerships would likely have caused wider concern and raised further questions.
The bluster and pie in the sky talk of European football etc was a red flag that he didn't get it and whilst optimistic can do positivity has its place it won't get you goals against Accrington Stanley.
I really don't get how people are so quick to elevate new comers to legend status and the "Cult of Sandgaard" means that any of us voicing concerns or criticising things like the replacement of RRR with a vanity project are frowned upon as miserable bastards (not to say that we aren't necessarily).
Don't forget we have put in £5m in season ticket sales so it's not all bankrolled and we are entitled to have a view even if it involves criticising or raising concerns about an owner who seems to have attained messianic status within 5 minutes of rocking up.
I've been following Charlton for 30 plus years through the lows and lows as most of us have and will continue to do so and will care more about it than any non- Charlton fan owner now or in future.
I want to be proved wrong and will happily swallow every word of the above if he delivers but until then whilst grateful he has stopped us going under and is funding us I reserve the right as a paying fan of 30 years to be reluctant to go nuts in on worshipping/ not criticising egotistical stuff like this poxy song.
Please just focus on building the football side of things and the accolades and praise will follow when they have been earnt.4 -
Has he murdered someone as well ? Give over man . It will be back to normal next game .nelsonsleftfoot said:Even as a one off this should never have happened.10 -
Just what I was thinking. Just asking this question is disconcerting, and almost insulting.AFKABartram said:With the greatest respect, it’s a silly poll
I think we need a fans advisor advisor.
The Red Red Robin is not any song. It has a beautiful message. I can't think of many other clubs' songs that really match it's beauty.
You'll Never Walk Alone, yesBlue Moon comes close.
Any other candidates? Fancy a poll on that?1 -
I think we all have a bit of worry, as charltons fans we’ve experienced every bit of shit that could have been thrown at us!!, but we’re all still here whether we agree or not, I’m trying to ride the positivity train as it stands because I’m fed up of the bad stuff. Nothing personal though RCT. Just opinions, and hope all goes as we hope!!.👍RodneyCharltonTrotta said:paulfox said:
I agree with most of what you have expressed, however everyone is entitled to there opinion, whether they have been a fan for 5 or 50 years, or have spent £50 or £50million. I’ve been a fan for over 40 years but do I think my opinion is more worthy than a 30 year supporting fan,,No. At the moment and I understand the reasonswhy, there seems to be a mantra of guilty and prove yourself to be innocent. Which in my opinion is quite sad. TS as it stands has done absolutely nothing wrong and the smallest issues are being jumped upon. I’m not someone to hero worship anybody as I believe people should be seen as equals, but I also appreciate the man has the clubs interest at heart and until he is proven guilty of not doing this and should be supported. Too many people are very keen to prove why they are charltons no.1 fan on this forum and yet we all spend our time and hard earned money on whichever level of affordability we can. We all want the same outcome and yet a song that HASNT been replaced is getting people on there high horse.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:paulfox said:i have to say it’s all a bit much everyone getting precious over a song not being played for what may be a one off at a certain time, it was played while the ex players were introduced for the curbishley stand opening. I wonder how many on here that are up in arms, we’re actually at the game?, if you weren’t then don’t fix.;ng moan, because the bloke that put millions in was. God forbid someone trying something new and upsetting the traditionalists, they might boycott or something. I agree The team should come out to RRR, and then ATR for the 2nd half. But bloody hell the over reaction is just too full of entitlement.TS is trying to make Charlton a good fun place to enjoy and move on from all the shit, and yet people want to continue with negativity and moaning because it suits them.
I wasn't at the game because I am isolating so couldn't be there. Having put thousands into the club over the past thirty years including best part of a grand on season ticket, valley gold I am entitled to have an opinion on someone coming in for 5 minutes and changing a mainstay tradition for a self imposed ego trip. Was Curbishley's day yesterday yet there is TS standing there garnering all the attention.
Do I think he is a bad bloke a'la Southall et el- no of course not. Is he a dour balance sheet weirdo like Duchatelet- no.
And of course he has come in and stopped the club from potentially folding/ facing dire straights which we are of course all grateful for. However, Duchatelet essentially did that to a degree.
What I really don't understand after the past 3 ownerships is how quickly Charlton fans seem to drop to their knees and hero- worship anyone who comes in. Yes he is keeping the club going and has stopped us facing dire straights but that is a symptom of how fucked up modern football is- it doesn't mean they get carte blanche to do what they want or bastardise the traditions of our great club.
I will give TS the benefit of the doubt but I have great concerns that there may be a bit of emperor's clothes here. I don't think he is a wrong un a'la Southall and Nimir but I do think he is perhaps very naïve about football and has massively underestimated what is required to progress a football club in the hugely competitive and pitfall- ridden English leagues.
I have concerns about how long the funding is sustainable, whether he has the funds or the appetite for the reality of the level of spend that is required to get out of this league and then try to even compete, let alone push on, in the Championship and nothing I;ve seen player recruitment wise so far has really given me much confidence in that department and we have started the season after a whole summer to prepare with right backs at left back and no bench.
Yes this is a very negative and pessimistic outlook but after the last 3 owners and seeing the lack of investment in the playing squad which under prior ownerships would likely have caused wider concern and raised further questions.
The bluster and pie in the sky talk of European football etc was a red flag that he didn't get it and whilst optimistic can do positivity has its place it won't get you goals against Accrington Stanley.
I really don't get how people are so quick to elevate new comers to legend status and the "Cult of Sandgaard" means that any of us voicing concerns or criticising things like the replacement of RRR with a vanity project are frowned upon as miserable bastards (not to say that we aren't necessarily).
Don't forget we have put in £5m in season ticket sales so it's not all bankrolled and we are entitled to have a view even if it involves criticising or raising concerns about an owner who seems to have attained messianic status within 5 minutes of rocking up.
I've been following Charlton for 30 plus years through the lows and lows as most of us have and will continue to do so and will care more about it than any non- Charlton fan owner now or in future.
I want to be proved wrong and will happily swallow every word of the above if he delivers but until then whilst grateful he has stopped us going under and is funding us I reserve the right as a paying fan of 30 years to be reluctant to go nuts in on worshipping/ not criticising egotistical stuff like this poxy song.
Please just focus on building the football side of things and the accolades and praise will follow when they have been earnt.Fair enough mate. I will say no more on it and will see what unfolds. There is a lot of thrice bitten in my thinking and hopefully it is undue pessimism.Not expecting or demanding us to be a footballing success just want the off the field sideshows to stop, at least until we are.Anyway, long season ahead and fingers crossed it'll go well.1 -
I personally always thought it would be good as an actual chant that our fans sing.jimmymelrose said:
Just what I was thinking. Just asking this question is disconcerting, and almost insulting.AFKABartram said:With the greatest respect, it’s a silly poll
I think we need a fans advisor advisor.
The Red Red Robin is not any song. It has a beautiful message. I can't think of many other clubs' songs that really match it's beauty.
You'll Never Walk Alone, yesBlue Moon comes close.
Any other candidates? Fancy a poll on that?
Belting out the lines "Live, Love, Laugh and be Happy" would sound great.3 -
Definitely isn'tcafcfan1990 said:Definitely Murray3 -
He might as well of done.Bedsaddick said:
Has he murdered someone as well ? Give over man . It will be back to normal next game .nelsonsleftfoot said:Even as a one off this should never have happened.3 -
I was from the start very much against Duchatalet, wasn't a hunch or anything like that. A Belgian journalist and a handful of Liege fans made the effort to come on here and tell us and then the wrinkled up old ballsack and his gash told us exactly what they would do.
With Thomas Sandgaard I'm getting a much different vibe, one of someone who is probably infectiously almost childishly enthusiastic about things and that part of his character will have helped him with his very successful and noble business.
The promotions with the season tickets I don't really care about, they are poorly thought out but I still don't care. Same for a lot of peripheral stuff like that, hes got a lot of unfucking to do and that is going to take time and he still has to sack the teste headed Keohane when that walking scrotum eventually gets off his knees pleading for his job.
A man who has genuinely, legitimately rescued us from oblivion is allowed some indulgence. If he wanted to get on his knees and treat us to Metallica's enter sandman in front of the covered end so be it, I think he went very light on the self indulgence and was trying to have some fun with the crowd. No problem with that.
If not playing the Red Red Robin as the players come out is a thing he did for one game then I'm also fine with that. With the caveat its a self indulgent one off. Not that many clubs have a song as unique as that to come out to and it should be held dear, as well as not, ever playing music when we score.
There is still time in the window to bring better players in and improve the squad rather than just get bodies in, I'm glad we aren't throwing money around at this level I dont think that brings any guarantee at all of success. Although Kirk from Crewe is a very decent player and I'd be really pleased if we got him
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Reading this thread would not obviously lead to a conclusion that 92% of fans want the team running out to RRR. That’s why such a poll is useful in putting a number on it. Good on Lucy for doing it. I have every confidence that it will therefore prove to be a one-off.18
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Maybe A2V can replace London Calling. The Clash are an overrated North London band and can frankly get lost imo12
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Bloody hell. Congratulations. I'd forgotten about that. We used to play Cliff Richard at The Valley, lolMuttleyCAFC said:
I think it should be played after a victory a bit like when we used to play congratulations. It would sound much better after a victory I'm sure.3blokes said:Speaking as someone who’s been known to dabble in the football song genre on occasion, ( 🙄🤦🏻♂️) firstly I would say, good on him for giving it a go. I can’t think of any other club owner doing that, so it’s not the worst thing an owner could do imho. RD on the other hand danced whether we won or lost.
Anyway, I think the ‘mistake’ yesterday was playing it at the wrong time. An emotional return to the Valley should have been accompanied by RRR as the team came out. Addicks to Victory could have slotted in comfortably alongside other songs routinely played at the start like Into the Valley, London Calling and VFR. He would have likely got some praise for his efforts.
As for the song itself, it is really tricky to write a terrace anthem because you never quite know what will stick and get taken up by the crowd. My pennyworth on Addicks to Victory would be to focus on that line ‘Addicks to Victory’ right from the start, speed it up a bit, repeat it loads and make that the chant in the hope it catches on.👍🏻
But really what do I know? 🤷♂️A few good results, some new players in, and it could be a feature.of the pre match or half time, And maybe he should sell it as a download for a fund raiser for a worthy Charlton cause?0 -
Yes it was, proven by another photo afterwardsjimmymelrose said:
Definitely isn'tcafcfan1990 said:Definitely Murray0 -
So what should have happened based on these comments, TS should have announced he would be using his own song as a one off to bookmark his first game of the season in charge, new era bla bla bla and then gone back to RRR and no one would actually care.
shows how important communication is and as Akfa brilliantly put, it’a disappointing no one at the club recognised this and come to a decision like that5 -
I may have made a mistake but isn't this the guy who was looking at Minto 'going in for the snog?'Bedsaddick said:
Yes. The weasel is using a mask to his advantage so he’s hard to recognise.Dazzler21 said:Is that Murray there too?
I just hope he’s not trying to get involved in the club in some sneaky way .
If so, it's not Murray.0 -
Leuth said:Maybe A2V can replace London Calling. The Clash are an overrated North London band and can frankly get lost imo
"Should it stay or should it go" poll7 -
I have just printed my ticket for Tuesday.
Lets see if they have sorted this by then.0 -
Leuth said:Maybe A2V can replace London Calling. The Clash are an overrated North London band and can frankly get lost imo
One of the best pre- football songs going imo.
Chelsea's use of Liquidator is up there too.2 -
Spot on can't imagine changing the Z cars theme at Everton or Let em come at Millwall for example.Croydon said:Change the entrance song at any club in this country for an owner's own song, and there would be uproar. Does make me laugh that some on here think a moaning fanbase is something exclusive to Charlton.0 -
That’s not true though.Braziliance said:So what should have happened based on these comments, TS should have announced he would be using his own song as a one off to bookmark his first game of the season in charge, new era bla bla bla and then gone back to RRR and no one would actually care.
shows how important communication is and as Akfa brilliantly put, it’a disappointing no one at the club recognised this and come to a decision like that0 - Sponsored links:
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We should obviously play Squeeze in the London Calling slot. Cool For Cats or something. Don't tell me it wouldn't be an improvement4
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If we're having a poll on it when it comes to Squeeze songs I would prefer Up the JunctionLeuth said:We should obviously play Squeeze in the London Calling slot. Cool For Cats or something. Don't tell me it wouldn't be an improvement
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Playing such a perfectly elegiac and balladic song before a match might not psych our fans up so much as get us all questioning our life choices, the nature of passing time etcKarim_myBagheri said:
If we're having a poll on it I would prefer Up the JunctionLeuth said:We should obviously play Squeeze in the London Calling slot. Cool For Cats or something. Don't tell me it wouldn't be an improvement3 -
Yes you’ve made a mistake Murray is to the right(in front) of TS in the picturejimmymelrose said:
I may have made a mistake but isn't this the guy who was looking at Minto 'going in for the snog?'Bedsaddick said:
Yes. The weasel is using a mask to his advantage so he’s hard to recognise.Dazzler21 said:Is that Murray there too?I just hope he’s not trying to get involved in the club in some sneaky way .
If so, it's not Murray.1 -
Not really. I genuinely don’t know what people expect. These are comment forums for people to express, share and discuss their views. Some things will be fact, other things will be praising, critical, positive, negative, hopeful, dismissive etc. It’s the whole concept of having a view and sharing it.Leuth said:PWR
What a fucking bunch we are eh
I think some people now have a default setting that they are instantly going to kick back to any view expressed that is potentially critical or negative (and I don’t think that’s unique to Charlton).
As others have said, if Sandgaard had bought (for example) Millwall, West Ham or Everton and their fans turned up yesterday to have Let Em Come, Bubbles or Z Cars replaced by their owners vanity project, im fairly sure the reaction would be even stronger than ours.
Just because some people like a moan it doesn’t mean that everything they moan about should be dismissed.29 -
I think the conclusion is we didn’t win yesterday and the team didn’t look great in truth. Got to have something to complain about. It’s the Charlton way. 😀0
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If Sandgaard flies to the edge of space in a penis shaped rocket I for one can't bring myself to support him2
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What on earth is happening to this forum?
There seems to be lots of negativity across many threads much of it aimed at TS.
This bloke has come in and done something no one on here could do, he has saved us from potential extinction! Yes he is somewhat enthusiastic but why shouldn't he be, he has so far spent circa £10m of his OWN money.
That money spent has given us a club to still support, a Covered End to fill, football games to watch and a chance to dream of much bigger things to come.
Yet he gets called for not investing in the squad, although we have been told more players are to come, he gets called for making statements about blowing this league before a game had been played and now he is getting called for writing a song about our club and playing it instead of RRR at his first game at a rocking Valley!
We have no idea if it's permanent (dumping RRR) my guess is that's it's not, we still have 3 weeks of transfer window open, so again we need to see who else joins and, if we do win promotion next May, it's his money and NA's nounce that would have got us there (along with a little luck)!
Let's just see what pans out before knocking everything, my old man used to say "be thankful for what you have, as many others don't have anything" and in this case I think of Bury FC!
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