His whole approach from the moment he arrived was inexplicably unprofessional. Much has been said about the loss of his father but I’d hasten to add that a large percentage of Charlton Lifers have lost a much loved parent or two and whereas initial grief can severely influence your life, you just have to put it behind you as best you can and simply get on with things…..especially if you have a young family to raise. It will remain a mystery as to why he was such shyte, not just on the odd occasion but perpetually, did anyone ever see him have what could be described as a good game? He was given more chances than one cares to remember but never once took one of them……even when twice out on loan! Yes, inexplicable to say the least?
if we sign a contract for a car, a phone, a house, is the other party going to rip up that contract if we can't pay? 'A contract is a contract,' said Alan Simonsen as he walked out of the Valley. The club weighed the risk in giving him a 4 year contract. The club has to honour that decision.
if we sign a contract for a car, a phone, a house, is the other party going to rip up that contract if we can't pay? 'A contract is a contract,' said Alan Simonsen as he walked out of the Valley. The club weighed the risk in giving him a 4 year contract. The club has to honour that decision.
Right, but if both parties agree to a termination (with a mutually agreed payment to compensate some or all of the remaining contract term) then I don’t see an issue.
If you want a laugh (or cry), just look at the reactions to his signing for us from page 1 of this thread.
I have, sad (now) and hilarious comments in equal measure on page one, hindsight is a wonderful thing, the comment about DJ, Kirk and Stockley being championship quality, made me laugh.
An expensive mistake by Charlton but at least he can go back up North and hopefully his partner can get her hairdressing clients back ! Kirk was a light weight the whole time he was here.
Who decided after watching Crewe that Charlie was not only worth signing ? but 4 years !
If it was Steve Gallen's recommendation then he made a terrible decision. Did Kirk ever make a challenge ? Did he ever dribble pass any one ? Did he ever look interested? I even saw him go down injured with a slight knock in the warm up at the valley and Pearce gave him such a dirty look.
Charlie Kirk's gone and with some more counselling for Charlton fans, hopefully forgotten.
Is it? Good work would be being able to shift him onto someone else for free in the window.
Paying him off is basically a last resort play that anyone could do.
Depends on the settlement agreed really. No-one is taking Kirk for a fee or for anything like his current contract. He did okish at Blackpool but not well enough for them to take him back for a fee and he was a washout at Burton. Most recently he's been unable to get into a very average Charlton team and made an absolute show of himself against a 8th division team that he was banished from ever playing for us again. His last decent performance at any level is getting further and further away. He's a high earner and he's not going to take a big pay cut to go elsewhere when he looks like he'd quite happily not bother running for the rest of his life. He's only on the decline and he'll not get another contract like his Charlton one unless something radically changes and I don't think anyone expects that will happen. If Scott has got us to pay off the entire contract then it's maybe not the best move, but if he's managed to negotiate a settlement where we're paying substantially less in one go than we would across Kirk's remaining contract then frankly he's played a blinder. We won't ever know though,
He’s taken a lot of stick on here as if he wasn’t trying or didn’t give a sh*t about his performance level.
But no professional footballer wants to fail. His future looked quite rosy before he joined us. And now it looks bleak. Can’t help feeling sympathy for him. Hope he can rekindle his career somehow.
One positive was that he made me realise what an asset CBT is to the club.
He played under five different managers. That's five opportunities for a fresh start and five failures. I don't think he can feel hard done by. I quite liked him going forwards and he had nice technique, but can't have any time for players putting in a token effort.
He’s taken a lot of stick on here as if he wasn’t trying or didn’t give a sh*t about his performance level.
But no professional footballer wants to fail. His future looked quite rosy before he joined us. And now it looks bleak. Can’t help feeling sympathy for him. Hope he can rekindle his career somehow.
One positive was that he made me realise what an asset CBT is to the club.
There are plenty of examples of footballers who have lost interest in the game for any numerous reasons and put no effort in. Starting with Winston Bogarde but plenty more since.
He played under five different managers. That's five opportunities for a fresh start and five failures. I don't think he can feel hard done by. I quite liked him going forwards and he had nice technique, but can't have any time for players putting in a token effort.
So you think he’s deliberately scuttled his own career by putting in a token effort, so that he can play at a lower level for less money? I can’t get my head around why he’d do that. It doesn’t make sense.
He’s taken a lot of stick on here as if he wasn’t trying or didn’t give a sh*t about his performance level.
But no professional footballer wants to fail. His future looked quite rosy before he joined us. And now it looks bleak. Can’t help feeling sympathy for him. Hope he can rekindle his career somehow.
One positive was that he made me realise what an asset CBT is to the club.
It's very hard to shake the impression that that was exactly the case though. I have sympathy for his personal circumstances of course but when he did play he looked barely interested and for someone of his talent to feature so rarely (under different coaches, none of which seem have rated him) can't have been that impressive in training either.
The overall conclusion has to be that he's coasted and done the absolute bare minimum. And maybe that's because of his mental health or his situation or something else but sorry to say he's been a "professional" only in the most technical sense IMO.
There's a very simple reason he failed at Charlton and wasn't wanted anywhere else. HE IS A VERY POOR FOOTBALLER. No pace, no strength, can't beat a player, can't cover back, can't tackle, can't head a ball........... The only mysteries to me are how the hell he did well at Crewe, and who the f---k scouted him and thought he was remotely any good.
Kirk is nowhere near the worst signings list when we've had the likes of Lepoint and Bergdich under Roland or Marcus Bent. Some deals just don't work out
To be fair to Marcus (who I was not a huge fan of) I do remember him scoring at Stamford Bridge to earn us a point at top of the table Chelsea in the Premiership...
...racking my brains to think what the most comparible 'Charlie Kirk at Charlton' moment was to that.
An expensive mistake by Charlton but at least he can go back up North and hopefully his partner can get her hairdressing clients back ! Kirk was a light weight the whole time he was here.
Who decided after watching Crewe that Charlie was not only worth signing ? but 4 years !
If it was Steve Gallen's recommendation then he made a terrible decision. Did Kirk ever make a challenge ? Did he ever dribble pass any one ? Did he ever look interested? I even saw him go down injured with a slight knock in the warm up at the valley and Pearce gave him such a dirty look.
Charlie Kirk's gone and with some more counselling for Charlton fans, hopefully forgotten.
Is it? Good work would be being able to shift him onto someone else for free in the window.
Paying him off is basically a last resort play that anyone could do.
Pretty sure he was offered to anyone and everyone last window with obvious little to no interest. Do we even know he was paid off?
No, he waived all contractual payments and happily walked away with nothing.
Okay mate, you obviously know for a fact that this was all initiated by the Club. I was just keeping an open mind that the player might've wanted away and come to a mutual agreement with the Club that he walks away from his commitment, for no or minimal compensation. NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE, JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
Keep forgetting that the general MO of most on this forum is to c**t the Club's management off at every available opportunity.
He played under five different managers. That's five opportunities for a fresh start and five failures. I don't think he can feel hard done by. I quite liked him going forwards and he had nice technique, but can't have any time for players putting in a token effort.
So you think he’s deliberately scuttled his own career by putting in a token effort, so that he can play at a lower level for less money? I can’t get my head around why he’d do that. It doesn’t make sense.
Chunes said nothing of the sort in the passage you have quoted.
There's a very simple reason he failed at Charlton and wasn't wanted anywhere else. HE IS A VERY POOR FOOTBALLER. No pace, no strength, can't beat a player, can't cover back, can't tackle, can't head a ball........... The only mysteries to me are how the hell he did well at Crewe, and who the f---k scouted him and thought he was remotely any good.
Always thought from the youtube video of his goals at Crewe, that he didn't look that impressive at all.
He’s taken a lot of stick on here as if he wasn’t trying or didn’t give a sh*t about his performance level.
But no professional footballer wants to fail. His future looked quite rosy before he joined us. And now it looks bleak. Can’t help feeling sympathy for him. Hope he can rekindle his career somehow.
One positive was that he made me realise what an asset CBT is to the club.
So against CVPM at The Valley, he went up for a header, there was minimal contact and he fell to the turf and stayed there. CVPM broke down the pitch and nearly scored. Even then he remained prostrate. Eventually he stood up after everyone ignored him. Do you think that is a player giving maximum effort?
I saw him in one of the BSM Cup games at The Valley a few months ago. He did not appear to have taken a knock and was "running/jogging" freely. I saw him ask to be subbed off. Maximum effort? I've never seen a professional player do that before.
There's a very simple reason he failed at Charlton and wasn't wanted anywhere else. HE IS A VERY POOR FOOTBALLER. No pace, no strength, can't beat a player, can't cover back, can't tackle, can't head a ball........... The only mysteries to me are how the hell he did well at Crewe, and who the f---k scouted him and thought he was remotely any good.
Always thought from the youtube video of his goals at Crewe, that he didn't look that impressive at all.
Well you were right Balham Red. Fancy the scouting job
He’s taken a lot of stick on here as if he wasn’t trying or didn’t give a sh*t about his performance level.
But no professional footballer wants to fail. His future looked quite rosy before he joined us. And now it looks bleak. Can’t help feeling sympathy for him. Hope he can rekindle his career somehow.
One positive was that he made me realise what an asset CBT is to the club.
There are plenty of examples of footballers who have lost interest in the game for any numerous reasons and put no effort in. Starting with Winston Bogarde but plenty more since.
It's amazing how quickly Marcus Maddison has been forgotten. Who is going to be the first person to suggest we start a go fund me for Kirk?
He’s taken a lot of stick on here as if he wasn’t trying or didn’t give a sh*t about his performance level.
But no professional footballer wants to fail. His future looked quite rosy before he joined us. And now it looks bleak. Can’t help feeling sympathy for him. Hope he can rekindle his career somehow.
One positive was that he made me realise what an asset CBT is to the club.
There are plenty of examples of footballers who have lost interest in the game for any numerous reasons and put no effort in. Starting with Winston Bogarde but plenty more since.
It's amazing how quickly Marcus Maddison has been forgotten. Who is going to be the first person to suggest we start a go fund me for Kirk?
He played under five different managers. That's five opportunities for a fresh start and five failures. I don't think he can feel hard done by. I quite liked him going forwards and he had nice technique, but can't have any time for players putting in a token effort.
So you think he’s deliberately scuttled his own career by putting in a token effort, so that he can play at a lower level for less money? I can’t get my head around why he’d do that. It doesn’t make sense.
Those are your words, I never said that.
But if your idea is that all footballers work hard because they're footballers, I'd suggest you're placing them on an unrealistic pedestal there. It's not just unlikely, but impossible that all of them have the same basic work ethic. Their personalities, life experiences and motivations aren't defined by what they do for a living. It's the same for everyone.
He played under five different managers. That's five opportunities for a fresh start and five failures. I don't think he can feel hard done by. I quite liked him going forwards and he had nice technique, but can't have any time for players putting in a token effort.
So you think he’s deliberately scuttled his own career by putting in a token effort, so that he can play at a lower level for less money? I can’t get my head around why he’d do that. It doesn’t make sense.
Chunes said nothing of the sort in the passage you have quoted.
Apart from ‘can't have any time for players putting in a token effort.’ It’s literally in the passage I quoted.
It’s why he’d only put in a token effort that I don’t understand, as it could scuttle his career.
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Much has been said about the loss of his father but I’d hasten to add that a large percentage of Charlton Lifers have lost a much loved parent or two and whereas initial grief can severely influence your life, you just have to put it behind you as best you can and simply get on with things…..especially if you have a young family to raise.
It will remain a mystery as to why he was such shyte, not just on the odd occasion but perpetually, did anyone ever see him have what could be described as a good game?
He was given more chances than one cares to remember but never once took one of them……even when twice out on loan!
Yes, inexplicable to say the least?
There are plenty of examples of footballers who have lost interest in the game for any numerous reasons and put no effort in. Starting with Winston Bogarde but plenty more since.
The overall conclusion has to be that he's coasted and done the absolute bare minimum. And maybe that's because of his mental health or his situation or something else but sorry to say he's been a "professional" only in the most technical sense IMO.
To be fair to Marcus (who I was not a huge fan of) I do remember him scoring at Stamford Bridge to earn us a point at top of the table Chelsea in the Premiership...
...racking my brains to think what the most comparible 'Charlie Kirk at Charlton' moment was to that.
Keep forgetting that the general MO of most on this forum is to c**t the Club's management off at every available opportunity.
Even then he remained prostrate.
Eventually he stood up after everyone ignored him.
Do you think that is a player giving maximum effort?
I saw him in one of the BSM Cup games at The Valley a few months ago.
He did not appear to have taken a knock and was "running/jogging" freely.
I saw him ask to be subbed off.
Maximum effort?
I've never seen a professional player do that before.
Who is going to be the first person to suggest we start a go fund me for Kirk?
But if your idea is that all footballers work hard because they're footballers, I'd suggest you're placing them on an unrealistic pedestal there. It's not just unlikely, but impossible that all of them have the same basic work ethic. Their personalities, life experiences and motivations aren't defined by what they do for a living. It's the same for everyone.