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Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.2 -
I genuinely think we’re hardly talking to the EU on very much at all.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.8 -
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.0 -
Apologies for a non energy related post but can you imagine the Daily Mail and Express next year when us Brits are going to have to have our fingerprints scanned and photographs taken to gain entry into the EU. I can’t wait for those headlines.0
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Pesky, inconvenient facts being reported in the news. 'Single out' Sigh.ShootersHillGuru said:
Because regardless of the reality you single out Germany for criticism whenever possible.MrWalker said:
Are you suggesting that no mention be made, on the day their Russian pipeline is all over every news outlet, of the Germans? Maybe you should write to every media outlet to stop them making any mention of anyone other than the UK?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
The second article also mentioned the Spanish - off limits to your rules as well? No comparisons can be made with other countries going through similar difficulties? Why not?
On this very page I've stated how early Germany adopted wind power and how the UK should have done the same. But never mind if it doesnt fit your narrative.
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Leave means leave 😉ShootersHillGuru said:Apologies for a non energy related post but can you imagine the Daily Mail and Express next year when us Brits are going to have to have our fingerprints scanned and photographs taken to gain entry into the EU. I can’t wait for those headlines.1 -
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterparts3 -
I mean I neither said this nor was it the point being made.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
We might be talking to the EU about it, we might not. If I were guessing, I'd say relationships are at a pretty low point all around and the UK is now competing in the energy markets with neighbouring countries, so I'm not 100% confident we're taking as collaborative approach as you are.
We don't know either way of course, because our government is pretty much awol at the moment, our Foreign Minister is too busy slagging off the French President for the enjoyment of her party members and the Energy Minister himself, Greg Hands btw, appears to be in the witness relocation programme rather than the household name he should be. What with it being an energy supply crisis and all...1 -
Excuse me but according to the Expressseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
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Are we?valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterparts0 -
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It’s inconceivable we are not.se9addick said:
Are we?valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterpartsWe are jointly supporting Ukraine and a large part of that is the financial sanctions imposed including consideration of how Putin reacts to that vis a vis gas supplies.I agree the silence is deafening but that is a consequence of the Tory leadership vote which ends next week. Does not mean the government ministers and civil servants are sat twiddling their thumbs. Perception may be so but reality will surely be different.3 -
You're putting a lot of faith in a government that has done absolutely nothing to warrant itvalleynick66 said:
It’s inconceivable we are not.se9addick said:
Are we?valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterpartsWe are jointly supporting Ukraine and a large part of that is the financial sanctions imposed including consideration of how Putin reacts to that vis a vis gas supplies.I agree the silence is deafening but that is a consequence of the Tory leadership vote which ends next week. Does not mean the government ministers and civil servants are sat twiddling their thumbs. Perception may be so but reality will surely be different.4 -
Sanctions were imposed in collaboration. No government did that without thinking through the consequences.Croydon said:
You're putting a lot of faith in a government that has done absolutely nothing to warrant itvalleynick66 said:
It’s inconceivable we are not.se9addick said:
Are we?valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterpartsWe are jointly supporting Ukraine and a large part of that is the financial sanctions imposed including consideration of how Putin reacts to that vis a vis gas supplies.I agree the silence is deafening but that is a consequence of the Tory leadership vote which ends next week. Does not mean the government ministers and civil servants are sat twiddling their thumbs. Perception may be so but reality will surely be different.1 -
I am not fixated by brexit because the word is meaningless, I am fixated by 'leave'.valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterparts
If 'working with' means the EU are supplying 70% of the electricity to one of the four countries of the Union then fine.
I don't see it as working with them so much as buying off them.0 -
No I do not mean that. I am not referring to Norttern Ireland.seth plum said:
I am not fixated by brexit because the word is meaningless, I am fixated by 'leave'.valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterparts
If 'working with' means the EU are supplying 70% of the electricity to one of the four countries of the Union then fine.
I don't see it as working with them so much as buying off them.I mean (as you no doubt realise) that we work with European nations regardless of ‘leave’ and as in this case evidenced by coordinated financial sanctions on Russia.1 -
I assume that when you use the word 'we' you are including Northern Ireland.valleynick66 said:
No I do not mean that. I am not referring to Norttern Ireland.seth plum said:
I am not fixated by brexit because the word is meaningless, I am fixated by 'leave'.valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterparts
If 'working with' means the EU are supplying 70% of the electricity to one of the four countries of the Union then fine.
I don't see it as working with them so much as buying off them.I mean (as you no doubt realise) that we work with European nations regardless of ‘leave’ and as in this case evidenced by coordinated financial sanctions on Russia.
I also assumed that you were talking about cooperation over the energy crisis, not the war in Ukraine.
'Regardless of leave' confuses me because I thought the winning vote to leave is what is regarded these days in shaping how the UK and others get along.
Apparently the aim is for the UK to be rule makers not rule takers, I suppose that's when leave fully happens.
Didn't Liz Truss say the other day that the jury is out as to whether President Macron of France is a friend or a foe? Have I made that up? It would be rare for the UK to 'work with' a foe. I wonder when the jury will reach its verdict.
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Your fixation continues. I clarified that the UK will be working with other nations as to how to respond to the energy crisis and in my opinion to suggest those conversations are not happening is wide of the mark.seth plum said:
I assume that when you use the word 'we' you are including Northern Ireland.valleynick66 said:
No I do not mean that. I am not referring to Norttern Ireland.seth plum said:
I am not fixated by brexit because the word is meaningless, I am fixated by 'leave'.valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterparts
If 'working with' means the EU are supplying 70% of the electricity to one of the four countries of the Union then fine.
I don't see it as working with them so much as buying off them.I mean (as you no doubt realise) that we work with European nations regardless of ‘leave’ and as in this case evidenced by coordinated financial sanctions on Russia.
I also assumed that you were talking about cooperation over the energy crisis, not the war in Ukraine.
'Regardless of leave' confuses me because I thought the winning vote to leave is what is regarded these days in shaping how the UK and others get along.
Apparently the aim is for the UK to be rule makers not rule takers, I suppose that's when leave fully happens.The energy crisis is directly linked to Ukraine / Russia.0 -
Nothing wrong with a fixation.
If conversations are happening in secret we don't know one way or the other.
I agree that the energy crisis is directly linked to the war in Ukraine, whether any solution is to be found in collaboration and cooperation we wait to see.
The evidence is very strong that the UK does not want any particular collaboration and co-operation with the remaining EU countries.1 -
Don’t engage it, it doesn’t go away.valleynick66 said:
No I do not mean that. I am not referring to Norttern Ireland.seth plum said:
I am not fixated by brexit because the word is meaningless, I am fixated by 'leave'.valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterparts
If 'working with' means the EU are supplying 70% of the electricity to one of the four countries of the Union then fine.
I don't see it as working with them so much as buying off them.I mean (as you no doubt realise) that we work with European nations regardless of ‘leave’ and as in this case evidenced by coordinated financial sanctions on Russia.2 -
It’s entirely conceivable to me that we aren’t working with the EU on solutions to the energy crisis. Actually, I would be astonished if we were.valleynick66 said:
It’s inconceivable we are not.se9addick said:
Are we?valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterpartsWe are jointly supporting Ukraine and a large part of that is the financial sanctions imposed including consideration of how Putin reacts to that vis a vis gas supplies.I agree the silence is deafening but that is a consequence of the Tory leadership vote which ends next week. Does not mean the government ministers and civil servants are sat twiddling their thumbs. Perception may be so but reality will surely be different.2 -
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This government seems to have a quite a list of areas where it acts in a way inconceivable to convention, history, good practice and indeed the law. It's virtually made a political asset out of doing so in the eyes of its supporters. The Energy Minister, and the rest of the cabinet, are not involved in the leadership election and are failing in their duties to provide information and reassurance to the public and businesses.valleynick66 said:
It’s inconceivable we are not.se9addick said:
Are we?valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterpartsWe are jointly supporting Ukraine and a large part of that is the financial sanctions imposed including consideration of how Putin reacts to that vis a vis gas supplies.I agree the silence is deafening but that is a consequence of the Tory leadership vote which ends next week. Does not mean the government ministers and civil servants are sat twiddling their thumbs. Perception may be so but reality will surely be different.
I think there's also some revisionism going on around sanctions too. I seem to remember, for example, the UK being much slower to implement, more limited, sanctions than the EU, US, Canada, etc. at the start of the conflict. We also still don't sanction individuals that are sanctioned elsewhere. Some of whom of course are linked to Tory Party donors...
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Schrodingers negotiations.seth plum said:Nothing wrong with a fixation.
If conversations are happening in secret we don't know one way or the other.
I agree that the energy crisis is directly linked to the war in Ukraine, whether any solution is to be found in collaboration and cooperation we wait to see.
The evidence is very strong that the UK does not want any particular collaboration and co-operation with the remaining EU countries.0 -
Bring it on, as an adult i wont whinge about it.ShootersHillGuru said:Apologies for a non energy related post but can you imagine the Daily Mail and Express next year when us Brits are going to have to have our fingerprints scanned and photographs taken to gain entry into the EU. I can’t wait for those headlines.0 -
Plenty willChippycafc said:
Bring it on, as an adult i wont whinge about it.ShootersHillGuru said:Apologies for a non energy related post but can you imagine the Daily Mail and Express next year when us Brits are going to have to have our fingerprints scanned and photographs taken to gain entry into the EU. I can’t wait for those headlines.0 -
In January there was a load of kerfuffle when the government rejected an interconnecting power cable between the UK and France.
Look up AQUIND.
Penny Mordaunt was delighted.
So there is actual evidence of ‘working with’ not happening.
It is one example of a ‘post the vote to leave’ event.
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I presume the ‘it’ you are referring to is me?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don’t engage it, it doesn’t go away.valleynick66 said:
No I do not mean that. I am not referring to Norttern Ireland.seth plum said:
I am not fixated by brexit because the word is meaningless, I am fixated by 'leave'.valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterparts
If 'working with' means the EU are supplying 70% of the electricity to one of the four countries of the Union then fine.
I don't see it as working with them so much as buying off them.I mean (as you no doubt realise) that we work with European nations regardless of ‘leave’ and as in this case evidenced by coordinated financial sanctions on Russia.
Am I right that you refer to another poster as an ‘it’?
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Absolutely mate, i have been working on anglo/french/german defence projects for years, there are lots of these type of projects ongoing unbeknown to the layman. French are a nightmare to work with.valleynick66 said:
No I do not mean that. I am not referring to Norttern Ireland.seth plum said:
I am not fixated by brexit because the word is meaningless, I am fixated by 'leave'.valleynick66 said:
Enough of your Brexit fixationseth plum said:
The EU supplies a lot of electricity to the UK.valleynick66 said:
Do you believe we aren’t talking to our European colleagues on this at all?Bournemouth Addick said:
This is part of the approach the EU are currently seeking agreement on I believe?Rothko said:
Decouple the price from Gas and allow onshore wind, and we’ll be in a healthier placeRob7Lee said:
I'd have been very interested in more detail on the PM-elect's plans as to how she's going to tackle all this, particularly this approach. But she was too busy to be interviewed and tell us all yesterday. Seems reasonable, given there are businesses currently making the decision whether to continue operating or wind things up now and cut their losses.
And the actual PM is currently dipping into the dressing up box for the last time and has gone on a lap of honour for the week.
Still, how about those German's eh..?
we may not be in the EU but we still engage and work together on matters.
70% in Northern Ireland I believe.
Northern Ireland is part of 'we' I believe, and yet is very much 'in the EU'.
Indeed the whole of the UK has not left the whole of the EU as voted for, vote leave has not been enacted.
I doubt very much if 'our European colleagues' as you put it are particularly interested in 'talking' to the UK, having been told they need us more than we need them.
It’s a global energy market and we are working with our European counterparts
If 'working with' means the EU are supplying 70% of the electricity to one of the four countries of the Union then fine.
I don't see it as working with them so much as buying off them.I mean (as you no doubt realise) that we work with European nations regardless of ‘leave’ and as in this case evidenced by coordinated financial sanctions on Russia.
As it happens my German colleagues say they wish their country had the balls to leave like we did.4 -
I suspect it is more to do with the fact he is our resident Tory apologist and will try to heap blame on anybody or everybody else for our predicament. This time it happens to be the Germans.se9addick said:
Getting rejected by a German girl whilst you were on a lads holiday in Magaluf when you were 17 seems to have had a profound impact on you.MrWalker said:Germany not that bothered now as they have spent 6 months buying all the gas they can, inflating prices, to make up for their disastrous reliance on Russia.1 -
Blinkered nonsense.MuttleyCAFC said:
I suspect it is more to do with the fact he is our resident Tory apologist and will try to heap blame on anybody or everybody else for our predicament. This time it happens to be the Germans.se9addick said:
Getting rejected by a German girl whilst you were on a lads holiday in Magaluf when you were 17 seems to have had a profound impact on you.MrWalker said:Germany not that bothered now as they have spent 6 months buying all the gas they can, inflating prices, to make up for their disastrous reliance on Russia.
No attempt to play the ball [news items/posts] just another childish and nonsensical name-calling playing of the man.
Interesting developments here
Canada sending repaired Russian turbine hack to Germany, upsetting Ukraine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/10/canada-exempts-russian-gas-turbine-from-sanctions-amid-europe-energy-crisis
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/22/germany-chancellor-visits-canada-russian-gas-energy-olaf-scholz
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I may have rose tinted specs, but yours are so blue I'm suprised you can see out of them
You are the one blaming the Germans for this! 0
