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Deji Elerewe - won League One Apprentice of the year at EFL 2022 Awards (p11)
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Athletico Charlton said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Covered_End_Lad said:Don't think it will be long before we start telling youth players they will only feature in the first team if they sign a contract before. It is what I would do anyway.
If you don't want to sign a new deal then that's your choice but we will have to forget about you, you can come in for training with the U18s but that's it. If you change your mind and want to sign a new deal then you'll be a part of the first team squad.
If he's not even hinting at signing then we might as well not bother with him. And let's be honest i would say in a very high % of these cases, the player nearly always leaves.
At 18 he is not going to become an established first team player (unless injuries to others force it) but he should be a squad player.
None of us know if he is not going to sign a contract just as we do not know the level of the contract that may have been offered to him.
I just do not understand why a player of such potential is not tied down at the earliest possible date, his seventeenth birthday, as It's not as though he has suddenly shown the ability to merit first team performances out of the blue.
18 year olds break into other teams all the time? Why not here? Especially if they're good enough. If he doesn't want to sign for us, I'd prefer we focus on other youth that want to repay Steve & Jason etc.
You do not get very many 18 year old centre backs breaking through to regular first team football because they are not generally physically mature enough at that age.
If every played who comes through that and ends up being good enough goes to the club who offers the most at 17 without signing we should close the academy down immediately as it is a complete waste of money and that goes for every single non CatA academy in the land I suspect.
What about the many young players who are cast aside, what loyalty are they shown?
It is just the way the system works, the survival of the strongest. My issue is with the club not maximising its potential and getting players under contract as soon as they reach seventeen.
Deji should not have pulled on a first team shirt all the time that he hadn't signed a pro contract. This was forced on the club by its poor recruitment early in the Summer. All it has done is advertise further his potential to clubs who may wish to tempt him away.
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superclive98 said:Athletico Charlton said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Covered_End_Lad said:Don't think it will be long before we start telling youth players they will only feature in the first team if they sign a contract before. It is what I would do anyway.
If you don't want to sign a new deal then that's your choice but we will have to forget about you, you can come in for training with the U18s but that's it. If you change your mind and want to sign a new deal then you'll be a part of the first team squad.
If he's not even hinting at signing then we might as well not bother with him. And let's be honest i would say in a very high % of these cases, the player nearly always leaves.
At 18 he is not going to become an established first team player (unless injuries to others force it) but he should be a squad player.
None of us know if he is not going to sign a contract just as we do not know the level of the contract that may have been offered to him.
I just do not understand why a player of such potential is not tied down at the earliest possible date, his seventeenth birthday, as It's not as though he has suddenly shown the ability to merit first team performances out of the blue.
18 year olds break into other teams all the time? Why not here? Especially if they're good enough. If he doesn't want to sign for us, I'd prefer we focus on other youth that want to repay Steve & Jason etc.
You do not get very many 18 year old centre backs breaking through to regular first team football because they are not generally physically mature enough at that age.
If every played who comes through that and ends up being good enough goes to the club who offers the most at 17 without signing we should close the academy down immediately as it is a complete waste of money and that goes for every single non CatA academy in the land I suspect.
What about the many young players who are cast aside, what loyalty are they shown?
It is just the way the system works, the survival of the strongest. My issue is with the club not maximising its potential and getting players under contract as soon as they reach seventeen.
Deji should not have pulled on a first team shirt all the time that he hadn't signed a pro contract. This was forced on the club by its poor recruitment early in the Summer. All it has done is advertise further his potential to clubs who may wish to tempt him away.
Money and greed has corrupted the game of course much like it does with most things.6 -
@Covered_End_Lad " I believe you were the person who said first that Deji hasn't signed a contract, or at least an improved one on his 18th birthday. I know you appear to have a contact within the club.
Please tell me you are 100% accurate on this as already guys on CL are running with it ?
I spoke to Deji on Saturday at the valley,(mainly about his short time at Kinetic) I would have asked if his future was at Cafc and then judged his response, even if he said nothing.2 -
soapboxsam said:@Covered_End_Lad " I believe you were the person who said first that Deji hasn't signed a contract, or at least an improved one on his 18th birthday. I know you appear to have a contact within the club.
Please tell me you are 100% accurate on this as already guys on CL are running with it ?
I spoke to Deji on Saturday at the valley,(mainly about his short time at Kinetic) I would have asked if his future was at Cafc and then judged his response, even if he said nothing.0 -
DOUCHER said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Covered_End_Lad said:Don't think it will be long before we start telling youth players they will only feature in the first team if they sign a contract before. It is what I would do anyway.
If you don't want to sign a new deal then that's your choice but we will have to forget about you, you can come in for training with the U18s but that's it. If you change your mind and want to sign a new deal then you'll be a part of the first team squad.
If he's not even hinting at signing then we might as well not bother with him. And let's be honest i would say in a very high % of these cases, the player nearly always leaves.
At 18 he is not going to become an established first team player (unless injuries to others force it) but he should be a squad player.
None of us know if he is not going to sign a contract just as we do not know the level of the contract that may have been offered to him.
I just do not understand why a player of such potential is not tied down at the earliest possible date, his seventeenth birthday, as It's not as though he has suddenly shown the ability to merit first team performances out of the blue.
18 year olds break into other teams all the time? Why not here? Especially if they're good enough. If he doesn't want to sign for us, I'd prefer we focus on other youth that want to repay Steve & Jason etc.
You do not get very many 18 year old centre backs breaking through to regular first team football because they are not generally physically mature enough at that age.
He deserves a fair contract and I believe given CE Lad's comments he's been offered a competitive first-team salary. If he still won't sign, then we need to deal with that.0 -
Dazzler21 said:DOUCHER said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Covered_End_Lad said:Don't think it will be long before we start telling youth players they will only feature in the first team if they sign a contract before. It is what I would do anyway.
If you don't want to sign a new deal then that's your choice but we will have to forget about you, you can come in for training with the U18s but that's it. If you change your mind and want to sign a new deal then you'll be a part of the first team squad.
If he's not even hinting at signing then we might as well not bother with him. And let's be honest i would say in a very high % of these cases, the player nearly always leaves.
At 18 he is not going to become an established first team player (unless injuries to others force it) but he should be a squad player.
None of us know if he is not going to sign a contract just as we do not know the level of the contract that may have been offered to him.
I just do not understand why a player of such potential is not tied down at the earliest possible date, his seventeenth birthday, as It's not as though he has suddenly shown the ability to merit first team performances out of the blue.
18 year olds break into other teams all the time? Why not here? Especially if they're good enough. If he doesn't want to sign for us, I'd prefer we focus on other youth that want to repay Steve & Jason etc.
You do not get very many 18 year old centre backs breaking through to regular first team football because they are not generally physically mature enough at that age.
He deserves a fair contract and I believe given CE Lad's comments he's been offered a competitive first team salary.2 -
So little joy in supporting us. Anyone half decent leaves for peanuts after a few months whilst we flounder around in L1 for the past decade2
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Dazzler21 said:DOUCHER said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Covered_End_Lad said:Don't think it will be long before we start telling youth players they will only feature in the first team if they sign a contract before. It is what I would do anyway.
If you don't want to sign a new deal then that's your choice but we will have to forget about you, you can come in for training with the U18s but that's it. If you change your mind and want to sign a new deal then you'll be a part of the first team squad.
If he's not even hinting at signing then we might as well not bother with him. And let's be honest i would say in a very high % of these cases, the player nearly always leaves.
At 18 he is not going to become an established first team player (unless injuries to others force it) but he should be a squad player.
None of us know if he is not going to sign a contract just as we do not know the level of the contract that may have been offered to him.
I just do not understand why a player of such potential is not tied down at the earliest possible date, his seventeenth birthday, as It's not as though he has suddenly shown the ability to merit first team performances out of the blue.
18 year olds break into other teams all the time? Why not here? Especially if they're good enough. If he doesn't want to sign for us, I'd prefer we focus on other youth that want to repay Steve & Jason etc.
You do not get very many 18 year old centre backs breaking through to regular first team football because they are not generally physically mature enough at that age.
He deserves a fair contract and I believe given CE Lad's comments he's been offered a competitive first-team salary. If he still won't sign, then we need to deal with that.0 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:Dazzler21 said:DOUCHER said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Covered_End_Lad said:Don't think it will be long before we start telling youth players they will only feature in the first team if they sign a contract before. It is what I would do anyway.
If you don't want to sign a new deal then that's your choice but we will have to forget about you, you can come in for training with the U18s but that's it. If you change your mind and want to sign a new deal then you'll be a part of the first team squad.
If he's not even hinting at signing then we might as well not bother with him. And let's be honest i would say in a very high % of these cases, the player nearly always leaves.
At 18 he is not going to become an established first team player (unless injuries to others force it) but he should be a squad player.
None of us know if he is not going to sign a contract just as we do not know the level of the contract that may have been offered to him.
I just do not understand why a player of such potential is not tied down at the earliest possible date, his seventeenth birthday, as It's not as though he has suddenly shown the ability to merit first team performances out of the blue.
18 year olds break into other teams all the time? Why not here? Especially if they're good enough. If he doesn't want to sign for us, I'd prefer we focus on other youth that want to repay Steve & Jason etc.
You do not get very many 18 year old centre backs breaking through to regular first team football because they are not generally physically mature enough at that age.
He deserves a fair contract and I believe given CE Lad's comments he's been offered a competitive first team salary.
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:Dazzler21 said:DOUCHER said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Covered_End_Lad said:Don't think it will be long before we start telling youth players they will only feature in the first team if they sign a contract before. It is what I would do anyway.
If you don't want to sign a new deal then that's your choice but we will have to forget about you, you can come in for training with the U18s but that's it. If you change your mind and want to sign a new deal then you'll be a part of the first team squad.
If he's not even hinting at signing then we might as well not bother with him. And let's be honest i would say in a very high % of these cases, the player nearly always leaves.
At 18 he is not going to become an established first team player (unless injuries to others force it) but he should be a squad player.
None of us know if he is not going to sign a contract just as we do not know the level of the contract that may have been offered to him.
I just do not understand why a player of such potential is not tied down at the earliest possible date, his seventeenth birthday, as It's not as though he has suddenly shown the ability to merit first team performances out of the blue.
18 year olds break into other teams all the time? Why not here? Especially if they're good enough. If he doesn't want to sign for us, I'd prefer we focus on other youth that want to repay Steve & Jason etc.
You do not get very many 18 year old centre backs breaking through to regular first team football because they are not generally physically mature enough at that age.
He deserves a fair contract and I believe given CE Lad's comments he's been offered a competitive first team salary.
If Man City ignore him because they think he's just another 17-year old with "potenital" at League One level, they might regret it if they have to sign him for £70m from Arsenal because they took the gamble0 -
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BigRedEvil said:So little joy in supporting us. Anyone half decent leaves for peanuts after a few months whilst we flounder around in L1 for the past decade0
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If Deji goes to a PL club how is the compensation calculated?0
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SantaClaus said:If Deji goes to a PL club how is the compensation calculated?0
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SantaClaus said:If Deji goes to a PL club how is the compensation calculated?12
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ForeverAddickted said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Dazzler21 said:DOUCHER said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Covered_End_Lad said:Don't think it will be long before we start telling youth players they will only feature in the first team if they sign a contract before. It is what I would do anyway.
If you don't want to sign a new deal then that's your choice but we will have to forget about you, you can come in for training with the U18s but that's it. If you change your mind and want to sign a new deal then you'll be a part of the first team squad.
If he's not even hinting at signing then we might as well not bother with him. And let's be honest i would say in a very high % of these cases, the player nearly always leaves.
At 18 he is not going to become an established first team player (unless injuries to others force it) but he should be a squad player.
None of us know if he is not going to sign a contract just as we do not know the level of the contract that may have been offered to him.
I just do not understand why a player of such potential is not tied down at the earliest possible date, his seventeenth birthday, as It's not as though he has suddenly shown the ability to merit first team performances out of the blue.
18 year olds break into other teams all the time? Why not here? Especially if they're good enough. If he doesn't want to sign for us, I'd prefer we focus on other youth that want to repay Steve & Jason etc.
You do not get very many 18 year old centre backs breaking through to regular first team football because they are not generally physically mature enough at that age.
He deserves a fair contract and I believe given CE Lad's comments he's been offered a competitive first team salary.
If Man City ignore him because they think he's just another 17-year old with "potenital" at League One level, they might regret it if they have to sign him for £70m from Arsenal because they took the gamble
Chelsea seem to always have dozens of players out on loan.
If limits were set then the top clubs couldn't then just Hoover up every young player with potential.6 -
I understand that the compensation will be derisory but there must be some sort of formula that's followed.0
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SantaClaus said:If Deji goes to a PL club how is the compensation calculated?
Depends when Deji joined us...e.g.
Thus, a 14-year-old player who spends 6 years at the club (Category 3) will command an initial fee of £46,500 (£3,000 × 3 + £12,500 × 3). Further fixed fees are payable on the player making first team appearances in any professional senior competition:
So as an 18-year old, if Deji has been with us since he was 12 we'd get at a guess £150k for being a Cat.2 club as the age 12-16 section of that article doesnt confirm specifically, we'd then potentially get another £10k as he's made less than 10-senior appearances.
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That's even worse than I thought. I can't see the academy being around in a couple of years if that's the level of reward on offer.0
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You have Ged Roddy to thank for that ^0
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Unless there is adequate compensation, there will just be independent Academy foundations and about 10 Premier League academies because it just won't be worth it.
As it is 90% aren't good enough to be regulars in the first team at cafc and the couple of real talents will be gone before their 19th birthday; Or younger.
Only the late developers like Pope, Aribo and Lookman will play for a period in the first team before moving on up. Nick was 19, and Joe and Ademola 16 when turning up at Charlton.
Joe Gomez and his dad made it possible that the quid pro quo for Joe to play 1st team football at 17 and 18 and then Charlton wouldn't stand in his way was accepted and that's why a low released clause of £3.5 million was reached for one of the top talents in his age group.
The only thing Katrien Meire said that rang true was when Joe's agent would text her every time he wasn't in the starting 11 after his debut.
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SantaClaus said:That's even worse than I thought. I can't see the academy being around in a couple of years if that's the level of reward on offer.
Ged Roddy is the architect of EPPP. I am surprised many EFL teams still have academies at the moment but suspect most won't inside 10 years because of this terrible regulation. I suspect the academy costs £1-2M a year to run so if the very cream are leaving for £150K it makes zero sense.5 -
I got told this no idea how true it is , Chris Gunter was on £900 a week at Cardiff when he was 18 and he moved to Spurs for £4m and was put on £25k a week as a 19 year old after 26 appearances for cardiff
that was in 2008
so the sort of money these Prem clubs can offer is a joke1 -
Exactly that ! Players can go to premier clubs and be on silly money and not be anywhere near even the 2nd string players. I honestly dont think anyone could blame Deji if he leaves, it's the system that is wrong and leaves very little point in having an academy in my view. Sure if a player like Deji is sought after then goodluck to him but the club should be able to get a decent price £150k is ridiculous! For that money I would take a punt on him myself lol0
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Athletico Charlton said:superclive98 said:Athletico Charlton said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Dazzler21 said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:superclive98 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Covered_End_Lad said:Don't think it will be long before we start telling youth players they will only feature in the first team if they sign a contract before. It is what I would do anyway.
If you don't want to sign a new deal then that's your choice but we will have to forget about you, you can come in for training with the U18s but that's it. If you change your mind and want to sign a new deal then you'll be a part of the first team squad.
If he's not even hinting at signing then we might as well not bother with him. And let's be honest i would say in a very high % of these cases, the player nearly always leaves.
At 18 he is not going to become an established first team player (unless injuries to others force it) but he should be a squad player.
None of us know if he is not going to sign a contract just as we do not know the level of the contract that may have been offered to him.
I just do not understand why a player of such potential is not tied down at the earliest possible date, his seventeenth birthday, as It's not as though he has suddenly shown the ability to merit first team performances out of the blue.
18 year olds break into other teams all the time? Why not here? Especially if they're good enough. If he doesn't want to sign for us, I'd prefer we focus on other youth that want to repay Steve & Jason etc.
You do not get very many 18 year old centre backs breaking through to regular first team football because they are not generally physically mature enough at that age.
If every played who comes through that and ends up being good enough goes to the club who offers the most at 17 without signing we should close the academy down immediately as it is a complete waste of money and that goes for every single non CatA academy in the land I suspect.
What about the many young players who are cast aside, what loyalty are they shown?
It is just the way the system works, the survival of the strongest. My issue is with the club not maximising its potential and getting players under contract as soon as they reach seventeen.
Deji should not have pulled on a first team shirt all the time that he hadn't signed a pro contract. This was forced on the club by its poor recruitment early in the Summer. All it has done is advertise further his potential to clubs who may wish to tempt him away.
Money and greed has corrupted the game of course much like it does with most things.
Clubs HAVE to be able to make a return when they uncover a star, as this pays for all this free education and training.0 -
Athletico Charlton said:SantaClaus said:That's even worse than I thought. I can't see the academy being around in a couple of years if that's the level of reward on offer.
Ged Roddy is the architect of EPPP. I am surprised many EFL teams still have academies at the moment but suspect most won't inside 10 years because of this terrible regulation. I suspect the academy costs £1-2M a year to run so if the very cream are leaving for £150K it makes zero sense.1 -
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Chunes said:Athletico Charlton said:SantaClaus said:That's even worse than I thought. I can't see the academy being around in a couple of years if that's the level of reward on offer.
Ged Roddy is the architect of EPPP. I am surprised many EFL teams still have academies at the moment but suspect most won't inside 10 years because of this terrible regulation. I suspect the academy costs £1-2M a year to run so if the very cream are leaving for £150K it makes zero sense.
So essentially the regulation used £400K pa payments to each club to buy clubs votes to get it through. In return for this amount the biggest academies now can stock pile talent high with little consideration to whether they will ever be successful at the club as the kids cost them next to nowt (player farming like Chelsea).
Clubs with tiny, relatively ineffective academies of course took the money leaving clubs like ours stuffed. Let's say DE was to sign for us and in a few years we sell him for £4M (not a stretch of the imagination), that is 10years of the EPPP bribe.
I genuinely feel this regulation will screw Charlton more than almost any other club given the strength of our academy and its lack of Cat A Status. How ironic the architect of it ended up working for our club (as did his son).3 -
As a club we have also grabbed good players developed elsewhere. Lookman and Pope are two examples.1
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AFKABartram said:0