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Adkins Out? - Match Thread
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Not sure why JJ couldn't be given a few games. If he can't fix it he had a chance. He has managed us for three games last season and this and has won them all. Also he was a coach when we got promoted so it is ridiculous to blame him. But if he sinks he goes and if he swims we are in a better position.4
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There’s little point in Sandgaard being owner. Even if he fires Adkins he’s shown that he’s not capable of running the club or delegating the running of the club.
Unless he performs an immediate restructure and restaffing with good people we’re definitely in League 2. And we won’t get out.7 -
I know it's been done to death, but can anyone explain what Roddy and Gallens do day to day? That's not what their titles are, but what their responsibilities are1
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The problem is, nobody else is going to buy the club with the assets owned by a delusional yellow toothed see you next Tuesday who wants far too much for them.2
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Didn’t you enjoy albie hitting the ball 600ft in the air at every opportunity?Bubble said:Playing Albie Morgan as a holding midfielder tonight was a sackable offence by itself5 -
So JJ takes Sunderland (lose), Doncaster (win) and then Rotherham (lose).MuttleyCAFC said:Not sure why JJ couldn't be given a few games. If he can't fix it he had a chance. He has managed us for three games last season and this and has won them all. Also he was a coach when we got promoted so it is ridiculous to blame him. But if he sinks he goes and if he swims we are in a better position.
Is that enough for him to stay on?0 -
But what is Jackson's job, not job title?ForeverAddickted said:
If thats what you're suggesting then the person standing in the way of that role is Johnnie Jackson?Cafc43v3r said:
"and the people you are surrounded with." is the key.SELR_addicks said:
" I can see there’s a group of players, as demonstrated in parts of the 2nd half, with a desire to work hard in situations that aren’t ideal"
The most interesting quote Adkins has said.
Has Thomas finally, man to man, asked Adkins why it isn't working and what he needs to make it work? If so expect a call to Port Vale before Adkins goes.
This is very Clough without Taylor......
Good managers don't go bad in months, but what made them good managers in the first place.....
How would the fanbase feel if Adkins stuck around (with Crosby) coming in and a fan favourite for over ten years to be the one that departs (Cant see him being shifted to another role)? - I know a lot of people want Jackson to leave as well as they see him as part of the problem, yet would be suicidal from Sandgaard to make that particular move and hope that Steve Gallen is the one forcefully advising against it if it were true.
Adkins / Crosby would basically have to go on a winning run from the very beginning to get fans to see that way of thinking.
I guess you're speculating but to do it prior to Sunderland would be beyond foolish - Its akin to Keith Peacock sticking around when Dowie arrived, and then the former being sacked instead of the latter for our position.
Does he plan and carry out training, does he plan and coach set pieces, does he drill the defence, does he put out the cones and bibs for training? Is he the conduit between the players and the manager?
Quite frankly none of us know and none of us know how good he is at any of it.
What was Cosby's job under Adkins before? For all we know it might have been nothing more than walk into the dressing room and call them all a bunch of spineless c**ts before Adkins then came in and did his speal.
Who at the club would you be scared of walking into a dressing room with after you produced a total sub standard gutless display? What member of staff, what senior pro? Who polices the dressing room?
Who makes you wish you had "brought your dinner"? You need a bad cop and you need the good cops to back the bad cops up.
With hindsight Bowyer didn't have any back up and went ott, in public, to re-enforce his point.
If you were, let's say Morgan, would you be worried about the dressing down you got from Adkins, Jackson, Euell, Pearce, Watson and Gunter? I think you would be hard pressed not to laugh.
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No,no, no, no!RonnieMoore said:
Second half we deserved a point .. to be honest showed what we can doCH4RLTON said:God this thread has become more toxic than the much fabled takeover thread, fish puns anyone to lighten the mood?
second half, we showed some attacking intent and maybe stockley and Davisson could have scored but for goal line clearances but we are still a shambles at the back and the two chances I’ve mentioned above were cancelled out by saves by our keeper.We got what we deserved. 0 points.1 -
Thats a very black and white approach to the results though isnt itSELR_addicks said:
So JJ takes Sunderland (lose), Doncaster (win) and then Rotherham (lose).MuttleyCAFC said:Not sure why JJ couldn't be given a few games. If he can't fix it he had a chance. He has managed us for three games last season and this and has won them all. Also he was a coach when we got promoted so it is ridiculous to blame him. But if he sinks he goes and if he swims we are in a better position.
Is that enough for him to stay on?
We're down the bottom and out of form so expect the Sunderland / Rotherham games to be rather "ugly" viewing at this particular time - If we saw similar under Jackson against those two to the performances that we've seen then perhaps he shouldnt get the job.
On the other hand if they're narrow defeats where we see a clear upturn in performances then he has to be considered surely2 -
Was it Sue Parkes, furious that Thomas had taken the last sausage roll, only leaving her the curly sandwiches?Sillybilly said:
According to my mate who was a sponsors guest tonight and was on the next table, Sandgaard got his ear bent very quickly after picking up a sausage roll post match so beat a hasty retreat. Presumably just looking for a bit of respite in the boardroom.Gribbo said:Doubt very much that TS would take his Mrs in to the room while he sacks someone, so are they just having a bit of an informal chat about ways to improve? Hope not1 - Sponsored links:
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Those 3 are followed by Burton and Plymouth, another 2 ugly losses.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats a very black and white approach to the results though isnt itSELR_addicks said:
So JJ takes Sunderland (lose), Doncaster (win) and then Rotherham (lose).MuttleyCAFC said:Not sure why JJ couldn't be given a few games. If he can't fix it he had a chance. He has managed us for three games last season and this and has won them all. Also he was a coach when we got promoted so it is ridiculous to blame him. But if he sinks he goes and if he swims we are in a better position.
Is that enough for him to stay on?
We're down the bottom and out of form so expect the Sunderland / Rotherham games to be rather "ugly" viewing at this particular time - If we saw similar under Jackson against those two to the performances that we've seen then perhaps he shouldnt get the job.
On the other hand if they're narrow defeats where we see a clear upturn in performances then he has to be considered surely
Basically even if Jackson is hopeless, it's difficult to sack him until the Morecombe game over a month away. That would be another month wasted.0 -
Assistants and coaches tend to be the good cops, as the manager is ultimately the one who has to make the final decisions, including the unpleasant onesCafc43v3r said:
But what is Jackson's job, not job title?ForeverAddickted said:
If thats what you're suggesting then the person standing in the way of that role is Johnnie Jackson?Cafc43v3r said:
"and the people you are surrounded with." is the key.SELR_addicks said:
" I can see there’s a group of players, as demonstrated in parts of the 2nd half, with a desire to work hard in situations that aren’t ideal"
The most interesting quote Adkins has said.
Has Thomas finally, man to man, asked Adkins why it isn't working and what he needs to make it work? If so expect a call to Port Vale before Adkins goes.
This is very Clough without Taylor......
Good managers don't go bad in months, but what made them good managers in the first place.....
How would the fanbase feel if Adkins stuck around (with Crosby) coming in and a fan favourite for over ten years to be the one that departs (Cant see him being shifted to another role)? - I know a lot of people want Jackson to leave as well as they see him as part of the problem, yet would be suicidal from Sandgaard to make that particular move and hope that Steve Gallen is the one forcefully advising against it if it were true.
Adkins / Crosby would basically have to go on a winning run from the very beginning to get fans to see that way of thinking.
I guess you're speculating but to do it prior to Sunderland would be beyond foolish - Its akin to Keith Peacock sticking around when Dowie arrived, and then the former being sacked instead of the latter for our position.
Does he plan and carry out training, does he plan and coach set pieces, does he drill the defence, does he put out the cones and bibs for training? Is he the conduit between the players and the manager?
Quite frankly none of us know and none of us know how good he is at any of it.
What was Cosby's job under Adkins before? For all we know it might have been nothing more than walk into the dressing room and call them all a bunch of spineless c**ts before Adkins then came in and did his speal.
Who at the club would you be scared of walking into a dressing room with after you produced a total sub standard gutless display? What member of staff, what senior pro? Who polices the dressing room?
Who makes you wish you had "brought your dinner"? You need a bad cop and you need the good cops to back the bad cops up.
With hindsight Bowyer didn't have any back up and went ott, in public, to re-enforce his point.
If you were, let's say Morgan, would you be worried about the dressing down you got from Adkins, Jackson, Euell, Pearce, Watson and Gunter? I think you would be hard pressed not to laugh.0 -
Got to go. Worst team since I have been supporting in 70s3
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What else needs to happen? Is TS really that deluded/stubborn that he cannot see this is beyond repair and only going to get worse? I know he doesn’t know much about football, but come on. I know dick all about a number of sports, but if I was an owner of a team with 2 wins in 13, watching that tonight and the surrounding atmosphere, surely the penny drops????
I get he probably doesn’t want the expense of paying him off, but as a businessman, surely you take the financial hit now, knowing that there could be an even bigger one if we drop down a league.
I don’t say this lightly, because he was an utter t****, but you have to say RD had more of a clue on how to run the club compared to TS given the current situation. At least RD knew when to remove the manager and got rid of Peeters and Luzon with very little haste.Of course TS has done so much good, but you really have to question, does he have a clue about what he’s doing given the last few months and how badly this has transpired?Cut through the financial support, the now farcical guitar nonsense and the current set up, it’s clear there are gaping holes in his execution of owning this club.
I don’t dislike NA and I don’t really want him to endure all the abuse, he’s a decent bloke, he’s just a galaxy out of his depth. You cannot believe he’s got it in him to turn this around. I know we get a very diplomatic charltonised view from the likes of Curbs and Minto on Valley Pass, but I bet off camera they’re probably thinking, wtf is going on here, how is NA still going.
re: the game. Defence, awful. Gunter, atrocious footballer. I’d like drive the bloke back to Wales and never want to see him in a Charlton shirt ever again. Famewo and Lavelle are a shocking partnership, both fallible and weak. So many players I don’t like, and that includes our so called ‘better’ ones. The biggest problem I see is that even if NA does go, you’ve got a group of crap players that won’t have it in them to keep us up. They are that bad, without question.I’m not clinging to a 5 minute spell and a couple of chances in the final 10 mins when we got it back to 2-3. I don’t buy any of that, nor will I give them any respect. They are the worst team we’ve had in 100 years! Simple as that.18 -
You’re right it wasn’t a “lost the dressing room” performance.Cafc43v3r said:
If I was Sandgaard looking at that I would think we have shit players, or at least lacking, in key positions but at least they all tried.ForeverAddickted said:
I made a comment after the Lincoln game that was half serious / half attempt to create debate if anything.Cafc43v3r said:
With it being Roddy that reports back to Sandgaard, and not Adkins
I have to wonder if TS is getting the full picture as to what is going on at the moment. Or whether he's getting spun a web of half truths with individuals passing the buck because they dont want to look bad.Feel on this basis that Sandgaard almost needs to conduct a full investigation within the staff and players at the moment, rather than just getting the one point of view after every game!!
That wasn't a "the manager has lost the dressing room" performance. It was littered with individual mistakes and poor decisions.
If we had been in a rich vein of form we would have won that, almost through belief and the 3 or 4k extra fans in the ground. It's almost a paradox that because we are shit we will be shit.It was a shite team set up that has no idea what it’s doing. It’s getting worse every week because it’s being poorly managed. The line up stank of desperation… again15 -
But they have to back him up, 100%. That's what makes the players believe in the manager, if everyone is telling the player the same thing. Not doubting Thomas's.killerandflash said:
Assistants and coaches tend to be the good cops, as the manager is ultimately the one who has to make the final decisions, including the unpleasant onesCafc43v3r said:
But what is Jackson's job, not job title?ForeverAddickted said:
If thats what you're suggesting then the person standing in the way of that role is Johnnie Jackson?Cafc43v3r said:
"and the people you are surrounded with." is the key.SELR_addicks said:
" I can see there’s a group of players, as demonstrated in parts of the 2nd half, with a desire to work hard in situations that aren’t ideal"
The most interesting quote Adkins has said.
Has Thomas finally, man to man, asked Adkins why it isn't working and what he needs to make it work? If so expect a call to Port Vale before Adkins goes.
This is very Clough without Taylor......
Good managers don't go bad in months, but what made them good managers in the first place.....
How would the fanbase feel if Adkins stuck around (with Crosby) coming in and a fan favourite for over ten years to be the one that departs (Cant see him being shifted to another role)? - I know a lot of people want Jackson to leave as well as they see him as part of the problem, yet would be suicidal from Sandgaard to make that particular move and hope that Steve Gallen is the one forcefully advising against it if it were true.
Adkins / Crosby would basically have to go on a winning run from the very beginning to get fans to see that way of thinking.
I guess you're speculating but to do it prior to Sunderland would be beyond foolish - Its akin to Keith Peacock sticking around when Dowie arrived, and then the former being sacked instead of the latter for our position.
Does he plan and carry out training, does he plan and coach set pieces, does he drill the defence, does he put out the cones and bibs for training? Is he the conduit between the players and the manager?
Quite frankly none of us know and none of us know how good he is at any of it.
What was Cosby's job under Adkins before? For all we know it might have been nothing more than walk into the dressing room and call them all a bunch of spineless c**ts before Adkins then came in and did his speal.
Who at the club would you be scared of walking into a dressing room with after you produced a total sub standard gutless display? What member of staff, what senior pro? Who polices the dressing room?
Who makes you wish you had "brought your dinner"? You need a bad cop and you need the good cops to back the bad cops up.
With hindsight Bowyer didn't have any back up and went ott, in public, to re-enforce his point.
If you were, let's say Morgan, would you be worried about the dressing down you got from Adkins, Jackson, Euell, Pearce, Watson and Gunter? I think you would be hard pressed not to laugh.
Bowyer and Jackson both got jobs under Robinson, the former certainly didn't agree with his formation/tactics. Because he ditched them in his first game. How do you install and execute a plan you don't believe in?
Jackson was Bowyer's number two, he changed the set up completely in his one game in charge. Same question as above.
Does Jackson believe in Adkins ball? Or does he know which way the wind is blowing? Does he tell DJ you need to do x, u and z or does he tell DJ that old duffer will be gone soon?
Is it Adkins formation or Roddy's, or "Charlton's"? Chicken and egg.
We have got to the stage where Adkins has to go, I don't think anyone thinks differently, it's not all his fault though.5 -
FFS I am not a football manager but when you want to eke out a result go 4-5-1......4-3-3 not working and when the other team plays 4-4-2 you will be out numbered in midfield....every team that plays us has so much room.......needs to go clueless4
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Individual mistakes, I counted 6 of them for AS's 2nd goal alone, aren't because of any system or team selection.Addick_8 said:
You’re right it wasn’t a “lost the dressing room” performance.Cafc43v3r said:
If I was Sandgaard looking at that I would think we have shit players, or at least lacking, in key positions but at least they all tried.ForeverAddickted said:
I made a comment after the Lincoln game that was half serious / half attempt to create debate if anything.Cafc43v3r said:
With it being Roddy that reports back to Sandgaard, and not Adkins
I have to wonder if TS is getting the full picture as to what is going on at the moment. Or whether he's getting spun a web of half truths with individuals passing the buck because they dont want to look bad.Feel on this basis that Sandgaard almost needs to conduct a full investigation within the staff and players at the moment, rather than just getting the one point of view after every game!!
That wasn't a "the manager has lost the dressing room" performance. It was littered with individual mistakes and poor decisions.
If we had been in a rich vein of form we would have won that, almost through belief and the 3 or 4k extra fans in the ground. It's almost a paradox that because we are shit we will be shit.It was a shite team set up that has no idea what it’s doing. It’s getting worse every week because it’s being poorly managed. The line up stank of desperation… again
Lee and Arter weren't available. I suppose Watson and Matthews should have played? Or Pearce? 2 up front wouldn't have stopped that. Maybe Kirk who dialed in one of the worst performances in a Charlton shirt ever on Saturday. Every line up stinks of desperation, who ever we pick.
Even Curbs said he would play 433. I strongly suspect the team he would pick, for real, would have Watson in it. Thats where we are.0 -
What's the difference between 451 and 433? Personal wise?ct_addick said:FFS I am not a football manager but when you want to eke out a result go 4-5-1......4-3-3 not working and when the other team plays 4-4-2 you will be out numbered in midfield....every team that plays us has so much room.......needs to go clueless0 -
Pretty bored of hearing Ged Roddy’s name every time we lose.
A lot of people make assumptions about what his role is, and how responsible he is for current results, but with very little evidence to back it up.
Ged Roddy is not the reason the likes of Chris Gunter cannot be bothered to put in a decent performance despite being one of the most experienced players in the division.
Ged Roddy is not the reason most of our defensive clearances go straight back to the opposition.
I could go on. I know everyone wants to point fingers and play football chairman, but I just don’t get the obsession so many people have with Roddy.Like I’ve said before, I think it is a symptom of being a fanbase that looks into the background operations of the club so forensically (often for good reason), and needing to find scapegoats.
Personally - whilst I agree Adkins should go, my anger is largely at these gutless players who don’t seem to give a single toss about Charlton. Fuck the lot of them.33 - Sponsored links:
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Yeah and he had also not failed at his past three clubs. But Ormiston still somehow thinks everyone should've jumped onboard with his shoddy argument.Callumcafc said:
This is all well and good if Roddy and Adkins actually worked together at Reading but they didn't. That is why myself and others would have LOL'd at your post because you were fuming without checking basic facts first.Ormiston_Addick said:In loving memory of the 57 twats that gave me a LOL when I pointed out what a shit appointment Adkins was back in March.
Adkins left Reading in 2014. Roddy joined Reading in 2018. Four entire years between them.
The Roddy/Adkins link is a myth that has perpetuated on here ever since.1 -
Apart from on the Insulate Britain thread, of course.paulfox said:
Made a bit of a cock of yourself there mate, no need!!. We’re all Charlton but don’t all have to agree.Ormiston_Addick said:In loving memory of the 57 twats that gave me a LOL when I pointed out what a shit appointment Adkins was back in March.0 -
Hmmm, those quotes sound to me like he'll still be in charge on Saturday. Unbelievable if that's the case.
I won't be watching. Can't stomach any more of this shit4 -
The players do not believe in what what Nigel is telling them.9
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cannot believe he's not been sacked, this is becoming an stupid6
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Next time I see something daft, I’m using this.CH4RLTON said:cannot believe he's not been sacked, this is becoming an stupid
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I honestly thought I'd wake up this morning to the news he'd been sacked.
crazy times.
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Rooney's new bird.addick1956 said:
Who are Wayne and Raelyn ?CL_Phantom said:charlton_hero said:
I doubt the commercial director and his missus will be adding any input into sacking Adkins, so what else could they be chatting about?
"So, Wayne, How about a Sandgaard music festival every close season - wank fest"0 -
Must say i'm not impressed to wake up and see that he's still in charge! What the fuck needs to happen for TS to sack him? We're already 4 points from safety and with every passing week it will become less attractive a job for any new manager (although i think we'll end up with Jackson or Euell as interim managers anyway).
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He’s going to keep his job for at least another 3/4 games isn’t he?
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