Trevor kettle is back for the Burton game

Addickted

No issues with Kettle, apart from the fact he does appear to be 'card happy' and he was only following the directions of his Assistant, who obviously saw more in the incident than we have.

It's the poster - who appears to very negative to most posts - that was annoying me.

If I'm wrong, then I apologies.

PeterGage

MuttleyCAFC said:

PeterGage said:

Addickted said:

Am I the only one who seems to think @Cloudworm is an interloper? All his posts appear to be 'against the flow' of the vast majority and slightly antagonistic.

The old railway thread appears to be a complete Spanner/Nigel piss take, yet quite a few seem to been taken in by it.

Hi Nick. Hope you are keeping well. Anybody (like @Cloudworm) who understands or supports refereeing will inevitable get stick, as indeed I used to when giving the referees perspective on incidents/games: hence me rarely posting these days.

One food for thought - I think we can all agree that the primary (but not sole) role of a ref is to apply the Laws of the Game against any incident that occurs within the duration of that game. It follows therefore that for any spectator to judge (either positively or negatively) a referees overall performance, must know in depth the laws to make that judgement. I for one, didnt know the laws before I took up refereeing and I dont suspect many other judgemental fans on here, or other fans' forums do, so how can they judge?

I do recognise that many fans will have a view on an individual incident, such as the sending off of Stockley on Sat. I get that, but again, is that judgement based the criteria in the laws, which the refs have to follow or is it a natural bias towards ones own players, or in the case of Trevor Kettle, a bias against that particular ref? 

Take care.

With all due respect, if we take the position that the referee never gets it wrong because he/she knows the rules better than supporters, then we are implying and undeserved perfection on them. I am not saying Kettle or any other referee is a cheat, I know he isn't, but he is probably one of the most unpopular refs out there across all clubs. That is probably because how he applies the laws.

I believe the best refs apply common sense, but because some refs don't have a lot of it, the laws get interpreted more rigidly as a means of obtaining consistency. Which is better achieved by better refs. I want the ref to be able to decide intent with a hand ball for instance, rather than all this unnatural position nonsense. Look at the first San Marino penalty conceded penalty against England. Yes it was a penalty because his hand was in the air, but it was in the air in a desperate bid to call for offside and if the shot from Foden was on target, it doesn't hit his hand, which he was trying to get out of the way. This is where things have got to.

The issue fans have with the Stockley sending off is ultimately about common sense. Refs time and time again don't send players off for that and the same with Oshilaja's red. Kettle has a reputation of being card happy compared to other refs and this is why he is criticised and unpopular with many fans, not just ours.

Due respect accepted.

Of course refs will get things wrong, but I suggest it is not through a lack of knowledge of the Laws of the Game, but due in part to the speed of the game (split second tackles etc) and positional play. How many times have we all (Stockley's incident) had to view the replay a number of times before we give an opinion? 

Trevor K is not my favourite ref, but only because his style is more demonstrative than most. However he must be there on merit because, as we two have discussed in the past: refs are marked by both teams and an independently assessor. At the end of each season, the worse marked refs, along with those whose age has caught up with them, are demoted (exceptionally, some first season rookies may be spared instant demotion). Trevor has been on the list for a number of years, so clubs and assessors must be relatively happy with his performances.

Have a good day

Jonniesta

PeterGage said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

PeterGage said:

Addickted said:

Am I the only one who seems to think @Cloudworm is an interloper? All his posts appear to be 'against the flow' of the vast majority and slightly antagonistic.

The old railway thread appears to be a complete Spanner/Nigel piss take, yet quite a few seem to been taken in by it.

Hi Nick. Hope you are keeping well. Anybody (like @Cloudworm) who understands or supports refereeing will inevitable get stick, as indeed I used to when giving the referees perspective on incidents/games: hence me rarely posting these days.

One food for thought - I think we can all agree that the primary (but not sole) role of a ref is to apply the Laws of the Game against any incident that occurs within the duration of that game. It follows therefore that for any spectator to judge (either positively or negatively) a referees overall performance, must know in depth the laws to make that judgement. I for one, didnt know the laws before I took up refereeing and I dont suspect many other judgemental fans on here, or other fans' forums do, so how can they judge?

I do recognise that many fans will have a view on an individual incident, such as the sending off of Stockley on Sat. I get that, but again, is that judgement based the criteria in the laws, which the refs have to follow or is it a natural bias towards ones own players, or in the case of Trevor Kettle, a bias against that particular ref? 

Take care.

With all due respect, if we take the position that the referee never gets it wrong because he/she knows the rules better than supporters, then we are implying and undeserved perfection on them. I am not saying Kettle or any other referee is a cheat, I know he isn't, but he is probably one of the most unpopular refs out there across all clubs. That is probably because how he applies the laws.

I believe the best refs apply common sense, but because some refs don't have a lot of it, the laws get interpreted more rigidly as a means of obtaining consistency. Which is better achieved by better refs. I want the ref to be able to decide intent with a hand ball for instance, rather than all this unnatural position nonsense. Look at the first San Marino penalty conceded penalty against England. Yes it was a penalty because his hand was in the air, but it was in the air in a desperate bid to call for offside and if the shot from Foden was on target, it doesn't hit his hand, which he was trying to get out of the way. This is where things have got to.

The issue fans have with the Stockley sending off is ultimately about common sense. Refs time and time again don't send players off for that and the same with Oshilaja's red. Kettle has a reputation of being card happy compared to other refs and this is why he is criticised and unpopular with many fans, not just ours.

Due respect accepted.

Of course refs will get things wrong, but I suggest it is not through a lack of knowledge of the Laws of the Game, but due in part to the speed of the game (split second tackles etc) and positional play. How many times have we all (Stockley's incident) had to view the replay a number of times before we give an opinion? 

Trevor K is not my favourite ref, but only because his style is more demonstrative than most. However he must be there on merit because, as we two have discussed in the past: refs are marked by both teams and an independently assessor. At the end of each season, the worse marked refs, along with those whose age has caught up with them, are demoted (exceptionally, some first season rookies may be spared instant demotion). Trevor has been on the list for a number of years, so clubs and assessors must be relatively happy with his performances.

Have a good day

I heard Kettle's only still there because one of the assessors, Mr Pot, accused him of something in the past. Turns out Mr Pot wasn't so virtuous, and our Trev has the dirt on him, leaving the assessors without something to piss in. 

PeterGage

Jonniesta said:

PeterGage said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

PeterGage said:

Addickted said:

Am I the only one who seems to think @Cloudworm is an interloper? All his posts appear to be 'against the flow' of the vast majority and slightly antagonistic.

The old railway thread appears to be a complete Spanner/Nigel piss take, yet quite a few seem to been taken in by it.

Hi Nick. Hope you are keeping well. Anybody (like @Cloudworm) who understands or supports refereeing will inevitable get stick, as indeed I used to when giving the referees perspective on incidents/games: hence me rarely posting these days.

One food for thought - I think we can all agree that the primary (but not sole) role of a ref is to apply the Laws of the Game against any incident that occurs within the duration of that game. It follows therefore that for any spectator to judge (either positively or negatively) a referees overall performance, must know in depth the laws to make that judgement. I for one, didnt know the laws before I took up refereeing and I dont suspect many other judgemental fans on here, or other fans' forums do, so how can they judge?

I do recognise that many fans will have a view on an individual incident, such as the sending off of Stockley on Sat. I get that, but again, is that judgement based the criteria in the laws, which the refs have to follow or is it a natural bias towards ones own players, or in the case of Trevor Kettle, a bias against that particular ref? 

Take care.

With all due respect, if we take the position that the referee never gets it wrong because he/she knows the rules better than supporters, then we are implying and undeserved perfection on them. I am not saying Kettle or any other referee is a cheat, I know he isn't, but he is probably one of the most unpopular refs out there across all clubs. That is probably because how he applies the laws.

I believe the best refs apply common sense, but because some refs don't have a lot of it, the laws get interpreted more rigidly as a means of obtaining consistency. Which is better achieved by better refs. I want the ref to be able to decide intent with a hand ball for instance, rather than all this unnatural position nonsense. Look at the first San Marino penalty conceded penalty against England. Yes it was a penalty because his hand was in the air, but it was in the air in a desperate bid to call for offside and if the shot from Foden was on target, it doesn't hit his hand, which he was trying to get out of the way. This is where things have got to.

The issue fans have with the Stockley sending off is ultimately about common sense. Refs time and time again don't send players off for that and the same with Oshilaja's red. Kettle has a reputation of being card happy compared to other refs and this is why he is criticised and unpopular with many fans, not just ours.

Due respect accepted.

Of course refs will get things wrong, but I suggest it is not through a lack of knowledge of the Laws of the Game, but due in part to the speed of the game (split second tackles etc) and positional play. How many times have we all (Stockley's incident) had to view the replay a number of times before we give an opinion? 

Trevor K is not my favourite ref, but only because his style is more demonstrative than most. However he must be there on merit because, as we two have discussed in the past: refs are marked by both teams and an independently assessor. At the end of each season, the worse marked refs, along with those whose age has caught up with them, are demoted (exceptionally, some first season rookies may be spared instant demotion). Trevor has been on the list for a number of years, so clubs and assessors must be relatively happy with his performances.

Have a good day

I heard Kettle's only still there because one of the assessors, Mr Pot, accused him of something in the past. Turns out Mr Pot wasn't so virtuous, and our Trev has the dirt on him, leaving the assessors without something to piss in. 

Club marks? What conspiracy theory negates those marks?

Hartleypete

PeterGage said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

PeterGage said:

Addickted said:

Am I the only one who seems to think @Cloudworm is an interloper? All his posts appear to be 'against the flow' of the vast majority and slightly antagonistic.

The old railway thread appears to be a complete Spanner/Nigel piss take, yet quite a few seem to been taken in by it.

Hi Nick. Hope you are keeping well. Anybody (like @Cloudworm) who understands or supports refereeing will inevitable get stick, as indeed I used to when giving the referees perspective on incidents/games: hence me rarely posting these days.

One food for thought - I think we can all agree that the primary (but not sole) role of a ref is to apply the Laws of the Game against any incident that occurs within the duration of that game. It follows therefore that for any spectator to judge (either positively or negatively) a referees overall performance, must know in depth the laws to make that judgement. I for one, didnt know the laws before I took up refereeing and I dont suspect many other judgemental fans on here, or other fans' forums do, so how can they judge?

I do recognise that many fans will have a view on an individual incident, such as the sending off of Stockley on Sat. I get that, but again, is that judgement based the criteria in the laws, which the refs have to follow or is it a natural bias towards ones own players, or in the case of Trevor Kettle, a bias against that particular ref? 

Take care.

With all due respect, if we take the position that the referee never gets it wrong because he/she knows the rules better than supporters, then we are implying and undeserved perfection on them. I am not saying Kettle or any other referee is a cheat, I know he isn't, but he is probably one of the most unpopular refs out there across all clubs. That is probably because how he applies the laws.

I believe the best refs apply common sense, but because some refs don't have a lot of it, the laws get interpreted more rigidly as a means of obtaining consistency. Which is better achieved by better refs. I want the ref to be able to decide intent with a hand ball for instance, rather than all this unnatural position nonsense. Look at the first San Marino penalty conceded penalty against England. Yes it was a penalty because his hand was in the air, but it was in the air in a desperate bid to call for offside and if the shot from Foden was on target, it doesn't hit his hand, which he was trying to get out of the way. This is where things have got to.

The issue fans have with the Stockley sending off is ultimately about common sense. Refs time and time again don't send players off for that and the same with Oshilaja's red. Kettle has a reputation of being card happy compared to other refs and this is why he is criticised and unpopular with many fans, not just ours.

Due respect accepted.

Of course refs will get things wrong, but I suggest it is not through a lack of knowledge of the Laws of the Game, but due in part to the speed of the game (split second tackles etc) and positional play. How many times have we all (Stockley's incident) had to view the replay a number of times before we give an opinion? 

Trevor K is not my favourite ref, but only because his style is more demonstrative than most. However he must be there on merit because, as we two have discussed in the past: refs are marked by both teams and an independently assessor. At the end of each season, the worse marked refs, along with those whose age has caught up with them, are demoted (exceptionally, some first season rookies may be spared instant demotion). Trevor has been on the list for a number of years, so clubs and assessors must be relatively happy with his performances.

Have a good day

Out of interest are these marks published?

SheffieldRed

Blokes got more cards than Moonpig.com

PeterGage

Hartleypete said:

PeterGage said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

PeterGage said:

Addickted said:

Am I the only one who seems to think @Cloudworm is an interloper? All his posts appear to be 'against the flow' of the vast majority and slightly antagonistic.

The old railway thread appears to be a complete Spanner/Nigel piss take, yet quite a few seem to been taken in by it.

Hi Nick. Hope you are keeping well. Anybody (like @Cloudworm) who understands or supports refereeing will inevitable get stick, as indeed I used to when giving the referees perspective on incidents/games: hence me rarely posting these days.

One food for thought - I think we can all agree that the primary (but not sole) role of a ref is to apply the Laws of the Game against any incident that occurs within the duration of that game. It follows therefore that for any spectator to judge (either positively or negatively) a referees overall performance, must know in depth the laws to make that judgement. I for one, didnt know the laws before I took up refereeing and I dont suspect many other judgemental fans on here, or other fans' forums do, so how can they judge?

I do recognise that many fans will have a view on an individual incident, such as the sending off of Stockley on Sat. I get that, but again, is that judgement based the criteria in the laws, which the refs have to follow or is it a natural bias towards ones own players, or in the case of Trevor Kettle, a bias against that particular ref? 

Take care.

With all due respect, if we take the position that the referee never gets it wrong because he/she knows the rules better than supporters, then we are implying and undeserved perfection on them. I am not saying Kettle or any other referee is a cheat, I know he isn't, but he is probably one of the most unpopular refs out there across all clubs. That is probably because how he applies the laws.

I believe the best refs apply common sense, but because some refs don't have a lot of it, the laws get interpreted more rigidly as a means of obtaining consistency. Which is better achieved by better refs. I want the ref to be able to decide intent with a hand ball for instance, rather than all this unnatural position nonsense. Look at the first San Marino penalty conceded penalty against England. Yes it was a penalty because his hand was in the air, but it was in the air in a desperate bid to call for offside and if the shot from Foden was on target, it doesn't hit his hand, which he was trying to get out of the way. This is where things have got to.

The issue fans have with the Stockley sending off is ultimately about common sense. Refs time and time again don't send players off for that and the same with Oshilaja's red. Kettle has a reputation of being card happy compared to other refs and this is why he is criticised and unpopular with many fans, not just ours.

Due respect accepted.

Of course refs will get things wrong, but I suggest it is not through a lack of knowledge of the Laws of the Game, but due in part to the speed of the game (split second tackles etc) and positional play. How many times have we all (Stockley's incident) had to view the replay a number of times before we give an opinion? 

Trevor K is not my favourite ref, but only because his style is more demonstrative than most. However he must be there on merit because, as we two have discussed in the past: refs are marked by both teams and an independently assessor. At the end of each season, the worse marked refs, along with those whose age has caught up with them, are demoted (exceptionally, some first season rookies may be spared instant demotion). Trevor has been on the list for a number of years, so clubs and assessors must be relatively happy with his performances.

Have a good day

Out of interest are these marks published?

Not that I am aware of. I have seen published figures for games officiated, numbers of cards, but not assessment scores.

NorthheathAddick

SheffieldRed said:

Blokes got more cards than Moonpig.com

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣…brilliant…!!!

Major

Cloudworm said:

bobmunro said:

Cloudworm said:

Ollywozere said:

The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'. 
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended. 
Make of that what you will. 

I’ve rarely known refs to come out and explain decisions and I don’t think I’ve ever known it in league one.

Where are these quotes from?

Harry Arter.

Massive pinch of salt then.

Why?

Cloudworm

Addickted said:

No issues with Kettle, apart from the fact he does appear to be 'card happy' and he was only following the directions of his Assistant, who obviously saw more in the incident than we have.

It's the poster - who appears to very negative to most posts - that was annoying me.

If I'm wrong, then I apologies.

Apology accepted.

Test me if you like. I'll answer any questions you want about the haddocks and their ground, Valley Parade.

Cloudworm

Major said:

Cloudworm said:

bobmunro said:

Cloudworm said:

Ollywozere said:

The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'. 
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended. 
Make of that what you will. 

I’ve rarely known refs to come out and explain decisions and I don’t think I’ve ever known it in league one.

Where are these quotes from?

Harry Arter.

Massive pinch of salt then.

Why?

I'd suggest it may have come out of a heated exchange at half time, for which Arter was booked and therefore maybe quite angry and/or emotional. In addition, how many people have passed this down the chain until it's ended up on social media? Just doesn't strike me as reliable. I'm not saying things are twisted intentionally, but things do tend to get twisted.

Ollywozere

Cloudworm said:

Major said:

Cloudworm said:

bobmunro said:

Cloudworm said:

Ollywozere said:

The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'. 
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended. 
Make of that what you will. 

I’ve rarely known refs to come out and explain decisions and I don’t think I’ve ever known it in league one.

Where are these quotes from?

Harry Arter.

Massive pinch of salt then.

Why?

I'd suggest it may have come out of a heated exchange at half time, for which Arter was booked and therefore maybe quite angry and/or emotional. In addition, how many people have passed this down the chain until it's ended up on social media? Just doesn't strike me as reliable. I'm not saying things are twisted intentionally, but things do tend to get twisted.

I can assure you that isn’t the case. 

Cloudworm

Ollywozere said:

Cloudworm said:

Major said:

Cloudworm said:

bobmunro said:

Cloudworm said:

Ollywozere said:

The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'. 
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended. 
Make of that what you will. 

I’ve rarely known refs to come out and explain decisions and I don’t think I’ve ever known it in league one.

Where are these quotes from?

Harry Arter.

Massive pinch of salt then.

Why?

I'd suggest it may have come out of a heated exchange at half time, for which Arter was booked and therefore maybe quite angry and/or emotional. In addition, how many people have passed this down the chain until it's ended up on social media? Just doesn't strike me as reliable. I'm not saying things are twisted intentionally, but things do tend to get twisted.

I can assure you that isn’t the case. 

Fair enough. As I said, I don't really think it matters what he said at the time. He's obviously chosen to explain his decision in his own words without quoting the laws. If he put 'excessive grappling' in his match report, the appeal could actual be successful! But he wouldn't have.

soapboxsam

The only positive when Kettle Refs a Charlton game is we win most of the matches !  

The negatives are he always takes centre stage and he is the story, before, during and after a match.

How can the same ref Kettle, officiate 4 Cafc matches where he hands out two red cards. 

The Oldham match was ridiculous when he gave Wagstaff a 2nd yellow, which resulted in us going down to 9 men.

The Bolton game, he sent off two of their players, which was crazy as I had seen much worse and no card.

Wimbledon at the Valley after 48seconds, Sarr was at full stretch but most refs give a yellow for that.
The Wimbledon player's sending off, wasn't clear cut and players do go over in attacking positions with minimal contact. Diving when no contact is the only time players should be booked which is simulation.

Excessive grappling is a new one because remember Lockyer and from memory, Robson-kanu having a wrestle at the Valley as play went on around them. I had a good view of that and Lockyer was the innocent party but I believe they both got a yellow ?

Stockley was daft because even when on his feet after the incident with Deji he was acting aggressively and that was a red card to a bull or Kettle as he is better known. 

Being a ref is a tough job at all levels But having a debate about a ref before, during and after a game to this extent is beyond the pale and this happens every time this guy is in charge whether he sends off Holmes-Dennis for two yellows in a few minutes after coming on as sub or sending off Pearce late on for a slight coming together.

One of his worse decisions and there have been so many to choose from was Blizzard late tackle on Grant Basey which he didn't deem a red card.

Nightmare ref for both sides.

objectivecafc

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/how-trevor-kettle-makes-fans-6222285

shirty5

objectivecafc said:

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/how-trevor-kettle-makes-fans-6222285

At least we know who Ronnie Moore on here is now! 

PragueAddick

Well followed Charlton poster on Twitter has posted up this horrendously  clear video of Blizzard's effectively career-ending tackle on Grant Basey.

So @JohnnyH2 if you wonder why I think Kettle sending off the Nabster was excessive, there's your reference point. 

https://twitter.com/Nozza_/status/1463938589004337161?s=20

JohnnyH2

PragueAddick said:

Well followed Charlton poster on Twitter has posted up this horrendously  clear video of Blizzard's effectively career-ending tackle on Grant Basey.

So @JohnnyH2 if you wonder why I think Kettle sending off the Nabster was excessive, there's your reference point. 

https://twitter.com/Nozza_/status/1463938589004337161?s=20

Who has ever said the challenge on Basey was anything other than a Red?  Not me and nor any other Charlton supporter I know.

Does not mean anything in relation to the Naby Sarr challenge which occurred 8 years later

JohnnyH2

JohnnyH2 said:

PragueAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

RedRobin said:

I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud. 

Neither player should have their red card rescinded for being stupid enough to do it in a Trevor Kettle game

We all know his reputation, the Burton commentary team knew of his reputation before the game, and am sure that the Charlton and Burton Management teams warned their players not to take any risks under him.

To be fair he did the right thing by going to his linesman, better to check than to guess - The linesman is then only going to give his assessment over what he's seen, then its up to Kettle to decide on the punishment based on that.

I dont agree with this letting him off the hook because he spoke to the linesman. That assumes the linesman saw things clearly from the get-go, for starters. He spent a long time talking to the linesman before sending off the Nabster too. In that case both the cameras and officials had ( or should have had) a clear view, so its a matter of judgement whether it was so dangerous as to warrant a red. Kettle’s judgement, not the lino’s, but as yesterday he made a big ceremony and implicated the lino in his decision.

Most people who saw the Nabsteŕs foul agreed it should have been only a yellow. Neither the footage from yesterday nor the view of most people in the Charlton end allows for a clear view of what happened. And Kettle himself was not watching, Valley Pass proved that much. In such situations of doubt, so early in the game, yellow should be the default, because refs also have an obligation to the paying customers not to distort what they paid to watch. I doubt that such an obligation has remotely figured in Kettlés thinking.

https://youtu.be/4cYQf9FJSW8

Naby Street Red Card, out of control over the top. Laws of the game make no allowance when a challenge can be differently treated when they occur in the game. The same ref quote rightly was lambasted for not sending off Blizzard for the challenge on Basey in the fist minute. Although this does not have the same intent its still classed in the same bracket of Red Card

Thought I did mention the challenge on Blizzard earlier in the thread

PragueAddick

JohnnyH2 said:

JohnnyH2 said:

PragueAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

RedRobin said:

I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud. 

Neither player should have their red card rescinded for being stupid enough to do it in a Trevor Kettle game

We all know his reputation, the Burton commentary team knew of his reputation before the game, and am sure that the Charlton and Burton Management teams warned their players not to take any risks under him.

To be fair he did the right thing by going to his linesman, better to check than to guess - The linesman is then only going to give his assessment over what he's seen, then its up to Kettle to decide on the punishment based on that.

I dont agree with this letting him off the hook because he spoke to the linesman. That assumes the linesman saw things clearly from the get-go, for starters. He spent a long time talking to the linesman before sending off the Nabster too. In that case both the cameras and officials had ( or should have had) a clear view, so its a matter of judgement whether it was so dangerous as to warrant a red. Kettle’s judgement, not the lino’s, but as yesterday he made a big ceremony and implicated the lino in his decision.

Most people who saw the Nabsteŕs foul agreed it should have been only a yellow. Neither the footage from yesterday nor the view of most people in the Charlton end allows for a clear view of what happened. And Kettle himself was not watching, Valley Pass proved that much. In such situations of doubt, so early in the game, yellow should be the default, because refs also have an obligation to the paying customers not to distort what they paid to watch. I doubt that such an obligation has remotely figured in Kettlés thinking.

https://youtu.be/4cYQf9FJSW8

Naby Street Red Card, out of control over the top. Laws of the game make no allowance when a challenge can be differently treated when they occur in the game. The same ref quote rightly was lambasted for not sending off Blizzard for the challenge on Basey in the fist minute. Although this does not have the same intent its still classed in the same bracket of Red Card

Thought I did mention the challenge on Blizzard earlier in the thread

Yes I know you did. But Blizzard’s is a clear, malicious, tackle, with the ball a yard away. As you yourself say Naby’s tackle does not have the same intent, to put it mildly. We can all now compare the two. 

I see from the thread at the time that Kettle later fessed up and admitted Blizzard should have had a red. Unfortunately it looks like he drew the wrong conclusions from his gross error.

lordromford

objectivecafc said:

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/how-trevor-kettle-makes-fans-6222285

The author of that seems quite annoyed by Kane Hemmings getting a yellow for diving - he thinks McGillivray took him out. 

I don’t remember this incident - is he right? Did we get away with one?

Cloudworm

lordromford said:

objectivecafc said:

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/how-trevor-kettle-makes-fans-6222285

The author of that seems quite annoyed by Kane Hemmings getting a yellow for diving - he thinks McGillivray took him out. 

I don’t remember this incident - is he right? Did we get away with one?

100 people would watch it and be 52% 48%. Does it really matter? The ref’s there to make decisions and players and managers should respect the fact they do their honest best but sometimes make mistakes. I’m sure the writer has never been in the middle and has probably never even read the ‘rules’.

Starinnaddick

I wonder what he was like when he was a squadron leader in the RAF? 

Briston_Addick

Starinnaddick said:

I wonder what he was like when he was a squadron leader in the RAF? 

Presumably in Kettle's case RAF stands for:

Red! Ah, F***!

lordromford

Cloudworm said:

lordromford said:

objectivecafc said:

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/how-trevor-kettle-makes-fans-6222285

The author of that seems quite annoyed by Kane Hemmings getting a yellow for diving - he thinks McGillivray took him out. 

I don’t remember this incident - is he right? Did we get away with one?

100 people would watch it and be 52% 48%. Does it really matter? The ref’s there to make decisions and players and managers should respect the fact they do their honest best but sometimes make mistakes. I’m sure the writer has never been in the middle and has probably never even read the ‘rules’.

Jesus, I was just asking a question.
😳😉

Although, to be honest, I was just intrigued because I don’t even remember it, so I figured it couldn’t have been that clear cut.

Hartleypete

Cloudworm said:

lordromford said:

objectivecafc said:

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/how-trevor-kettle-makes-fans-6222285

The author of that seems quite annoyed by Kane Hemmings getting a yellow for diving - he thinks McGillivray took him out. 

I don’t remember this incident - is he right? Did we get away with one?

100 people would watch it and be 52% 48%. Does it really matter? The ref’s there to make decisions and players and managers should respect the fact they do their honest best but sometimes make mistakes. I’m sure the writer has never been in the middle and has probably never even read the ‘rules’.

First of all its laws of the game not rules.

Secondly mainly agree with the man in the middle bit, except this is Kettle who is known to most everybody in football to be absolutely shit.

southamptonaddick

Cloudworm said:

thenewbie said:

Cloudworm said:

Billy_Mix said:

Ollywozere said:

The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'. 
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended. 
Make of that what you will. 

If that's genuine, I make of it that Kettle is an egotistical shitforbrains making up the rules as he goes along.
If someone warranted a booking for timewasting, it was Purrington who was the one to slow things up, Akin jogged up to the ball when called to by his colleague.
Kettle is a preening narcissist, despoiling the game, one match at a time.

Starting to see how the media works first hand. ‘If this is true....” + angry rant.

There’s no such thing as a team booking.

No evidence these things were said by Kettle.

Given the original source of the quotes I would be very surprised indeed if they were made up. 

There not actually being any such thing as a "team booking" is a point against Kettle, not in his favour. 

Although there’s no evidence he said it. Someone said it came from Harry Arter, or ‘staff’... all a bit vague, isn’t it.

Cloudworm said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

There may not be such a thing but I'm sure we have all seen examples of it.

There are occasions when a player may get an unlucky booking. For example, if a wall doesn’t retreat, you might have to book the player closest to you, rather than book all four players. It’s never been a ‘team booking ‘ though.

In this case, Purrington probably got a call from Famewo, so Kettle consider him the perpetrator.

You should think before you post.
You say "there's no evidence or a bit vague that kettle said this to Charlton staff".
Then you say "Purrington probably got a call from Famewo".
Probably is a bit vague and there is no evidence but at least it suits your narrative.

Cloudworm

southamptonaddick said:

Cloudworm said:

thenewbie said:

Cloudworm said:

Billy_Mix said:

Ollywozere said:

The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'. 
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended. 
Make of that what you will. 

If that's genuine, I make of it that Kettle is an egotistical shitforbrains making up the rules as he goes along.
If someone warranted a booking for timewasting, it was Purrington who was the one to slow things up, Akin jogged up to the ball when called to by his colleague.
Kettle is a preening narcissist, despoiling the game, one match at a time.

Starting to see how the media works first hand. ‘If this is true....” + angry rant.

There’s no such thing as a team booking.

No evidence these things were said by Kettle.

Given the original source of the quotes I would be very surprised indeed if they were made up. 

There not actually being any such thing as a "team booking" is a point against Kettle, not in his favour. 

Although there’s no evidence he said it. Someone said it came from Harry Arter, or ‘staff’... all a bit vague, isn’t it.

Cloudworm said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

There may not be such a thing but I'm sure we have all seen examples of it.

There are occasions when a player may get an unlucky booking. For example, if a wall doesn’t retreat, you might have to book the player closest to you, rather than book all four players. It’s never been a ‘team booking ‘ though.

In this case, Purrington probably got a call from Famewo, so Kettle consider him the perpetrator.

You should think before you post.
You say "there's no evidence or a bit vague that kettle said this to Charlton staff".
Then you say "Purrington probably got a call from Famewo".
Probably is a bit vague and there is no evidence but at least it suits your narrative.

We don’t know what happened, what was said, or what went on in the mind of the ref and players. It’s reasonable to assume that if Purrington was about to take a throw, then looked round in Famewo’s direction and dropped the ball, he probably/may have/possibly got a call. We can see it with our eyes. It’s not ‘he said, she said’.

I don’t have a narrative. I’m just commenting on Uncle Trevor’s reffing performance in one of the many games he has officiated.

MattF

https://twitter.com/_OnTheConcourse/status/1548340951961047041

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