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The Ashes 2021/22
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Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.1
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321-6 at tea and Khawaja has a hundred on his return to the Aussie team.0
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First over after tea. Broad has Cummins lbw but it’s overturned on review.0
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Next Broad over and he gets Cummins caught behind. Given not out but again overturned on review. A bit of DRS revenge perhaps.
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Appeal for lbw on Starc not given. Broad & Root review it but hitting the top of the bails. Not out on umpire’s call.0
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If the umpire had given it out, caught, and Starc had reviewed it, would it have been out lbw on review?Callumcafc said:Appeal for lbw on Starc not given. Broad & Root review it but hitting the top of the bails. Not out on umpire’s call.0 -
Leach is looking horribly ineffective. Not far off another century without a wicket.0
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I believe so.Chizz said:
If the umpire had given it out, caught, and Starc had reviewed it, would it have been out lbw on review?Callumcafc said:Appeal for lbw on Starc not given. Broad & Root review it but hitting the top of the bails. Not out on umpire’s call.0 -
Australia now 91-1 since Carey got out. Tail wagging once again. Same old story.0
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It's a strange one. He gave it not out, which was, albeit marginally, the wrong decision, and DRS confirmed they did start with it, despite it being out.Callumcafc said:
I believe so.Chizz said:
If the umpire had given it out, caught, and Starc had reviewed it, would it have been out lbw on review?Callumcafc said:Appeal for lbw on Starc not given. Broad & Root review it but hitting the top of the bails. Not out on umpire’s call.
But, if he'd wrongly given it out, caught, DRS would have confirmed it as out.
Either way, DRS would have upheld the wrong decision!0 -
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Wood believes he has Starc caught behind off the glove. Given out. Starc immediately reviews and it’s overturned. Hit the arm guard, not the glove.
99-1 since the sixth wicket.0 -
Crawley out for a Duck.
Or is he0 -
Overturned for a no ballblackpool72 said:Crawley out for a Duck.
Or is he0 -
We needed a little bit of luck like that. Bowlers spent 2 days in the field now we need the batsmen to give them a day off0
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I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.Andyessgee90 said:Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
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They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.Addick Addict said:
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.Andyessgee90 said:Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.1 -
Doesn't matter how thinly the talent is spread if they never actually play CC cricket. As I say, Labushagne played more CC cricket than most of our top six last season. As did Travis Head.Chizz said:
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.Addick Addict said:
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.Andyessgee90 said:Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.1 -
10 years when England were number 1 in the world (and had stuffed Australia away 3-1 in 2010/11) the 18 team country system didn't seem so badChizz said:
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.Addick Addict said:
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.Andyessgee90 said:Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
The same county system won the WC in 2019 too...2 -
the thing is, the england red ball team aren't playing domestic red ball cricket. The calendar has been deliberately moved so they only play t20 or hundred cricket if they are playing for their county/franchise.killerandflash said:
10 years when England were number 1 in the world (and had stuffed Australia away 3-1 in 2010/11) the 18 team country system didn't seem so badChizz said:
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.Addick Addict said:
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.Andyessgee90 said:Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
The same county system won the WC in 2019 too...0 -
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have we got any 35 year old 'veterans' we can recall to the test squad ?.. what about uncapped 37 year old James Hildreth, career average of 41ish .. never had a proper sniff at the international team .. more of a home player though .. there are a lot of 30+ year olds still playing C C cricket .. few though have a compelling average which screams PICK ME
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kentaddick said:
the thing is, the england red ball team aren't playing domestic red ball cricket. The calendar has been deliberately moved so they only play t20 or hundred cricket if they are playing for their county/franchise.killerandflash said:
10 years when England were number 1 in the world (and had stuffed Australia away 3-1 in 2010/11) the 18 team country system didn't seem so badChizz said:
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.Addick Addict said:
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.Andyessgee90 said:Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
The same county system won the WC in 2019 too...
And those that are not in the England Test side are trying to break through in March/April/May/September/October in the least suitable conditions. It's not just the batsmen, it's the spinners too that struggle - last season, of the top 20 wickets takers in the CC, 18 are seamers. Of the two that are spinners, one is an overseas. Again, it doesn't matter how many teams there are in the CC if spinners aren't allowed to learn their craft - we end up with nothing but white ball containers!0 -
It seems that most people think the problem is when and how much "first class" cricket is played in England and Wales and are not bothered about the possibility of talent and the poor standard.
I wonder if anyone would acknowledge that there may be an argument that - as well as the months in which it's played - an improvement in the quality of first class cricket is important too.0 -
Fifty years since we've regained the Ashes in Australia, but suddenly the sole reason is the 2021 fixture schedule.killerandflash said:
10 years when England were number 1 in the world (and had stuffed Australia away 3-1 in 2010/11) the 18 team country system didn't seem so badChizz said:
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.Addick Addict said:
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.Andyessgee90 said:Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
The same county system won the WC in 2019 too...0 -
I've already said that the England players should be playing more CC cricket. Ditch The Hundred, re-vamp The Blast and allow three overseas in the CC plus all the England players when possible and it will automatically be stronger. Three Divisions, no Play Offs etc etc, so 10 quality matches played in May/June/July/August will mean that the cream should also rise to the top. If these are timed to avoid the Test matches then those players needing to find form will have plenty of opportunity to do so.Chizz said:It seems that most people think the problem is when and how much "first class" cricket is played in England and Wales and are not bothered about the possibility of talent and the poor standard.
I wonder if anyone would acknowledge that there may be an argument that - as well as the months in which it's played - an improvement in the quality of first class cricket is important too.2 -
I don't agree with everything you've said, but it seems we're in agreement that the standard isn't high enough.Addick Addict said:
I've already said that the England players should be playing more CC cricket. Ditch The Hundred, re-vamp The Blast and allow three overseas in the CC plus all the England players when possible and it will automatically be stronger. Three Divisions, no Play Offs etc etc, so 10 quality matches played in May/June/July/August will mean that the cream should also rise to the top. If these are timed to avoid the Test matches then those players needing to find form will have plenty of opportunity to do so.Chizz said:It seems that most people think the problem is when and how much "first class" cricket is played in England and Wales and are not bothered about the possibility of talent and the poor standard.
I wonder if anyone would acknowledge that there may be an argument that - as well as the months in which it's played - an improvement in the quality of first class cricket is important too.0 -
White ball cricket creates so much money nowadays that red ball cricket is seen as the poor relation.
That is one reason why producing top class Test players is becoming harder.
The powers that be need to find a way to stop this trend before our Test team becomes a joke.2 -
Some would say that's too lateblackpool72 said:White ball cricket creates so much money nowadays that red ball cricket is seen as the poor relation.
That is one reason why producing top class Test players is becoming harder.
The powers that be need to find a way to stop this trend before our Test team becomes a joke.1 -
this .. I don't think the 'way' will be found .. white ball is where the money is .. I'll say it again, test cricket, even 3/4 day cricket is dying a slow but inevitable death .. young talents want the quick game AND the big bucksblackpool72 said:White ball cricket creates so much money nowadays that red ball cricket is seen as the poor relation.
That is one reason why producing top class Test players is becoming harder.
The powers that be need to find a way to stop this trend before our Test team becomes a joke.0 -
They would probably be the same people who support the HundredChizz said:
Some would say that's too lateblackpool72 said:White ball cricket creates so much money nowadays that red ball cricket is seen as the poor relation.
That is one reason why producing top class Test players is becoming harder.
The powers that be need to find a way to stop this trend before our Test team becomes a joke.4
