Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.
On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
Appeal for lbw on Starc not given. Broad & Root review it but hitting the top of the bails. Not out on umpire’s call.
If the umpire had given it out, caught, and Starc had reviewed it, would it have been out lbw on review?
I believe so.
It's a strange one. He gave it not out, which was, albeit marginally, the wrong decision, and DRS confirmed they did start with it, despite it being out.
But, if he'd wrongly given it out, caught, DRS would have confirmed it as out.
Either way, DRS would have upheld the wrong decision!
Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.
On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.
On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.
On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
Doesn't matter how thinly the talent is spread if they never actually play CC cricket. As I say, Labushagne played more CC cricket than most of our top six last season. As did Travis Head.
Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.
On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
10 years when England were number 1 in the world (and had stuffed Australia away 3-1 in 2010/11) the 18 team country system didn't seem so bad
Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.
On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
10 years when England were number 1 in the world (and had stuffed Australia away 3-1 in 2010/11) the 18 team country system didn't seem so bad
The same county system won the WC in 2019 too...
the thing is, the england red ball team aren't playing domestic red ball cricket. The calendar has been deliberately moved so they only play t20 or hundred cricket if they are playing for their county/franchise.
have we got any 35 year old 'veterans' we can recall to the test squad ?.. what about uncapped 37 year old James Hildreth, career average of 41ish .. never had a proper sniff at the international team .. more of a home player though .. there are a lot of 30+ year olds still playing C C cricket .. few though have a compelling average which screams PICK ME
Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.
On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
10 years when England were number 1 in the world (and had stuffed Australia away 3-1 in 2010/11) the 18 team country system didn't seem so bad
The same county system won the WC in 2019 too...
the thing is, the england red ball team aren't playing domestic red ball cricket. The calendar has been deliberately moved so they only play t20 or hundred cricket if they are playing for their county/franchise.
And those that are not in the England Test side are trying to break through in March/April/May/September/October in the least suitable conditions. It's not just the batsmen, it's the spinners too that struggle - last season, of the top 20 wickets takers in the CC, 18 are seamers. Of the two that are spinners, one is an overseas. Again, it doesn't matter how many teams there are in the CC if spinners aren't allowed to learn their craft - we end up with nothing but white ball containers!
It seems that most people think the problem is when and how much "first class" cricket is played in England and Wales and are not bothered about the possibility of talent and the poor standard.
I wonder if anyone would acknowledge that there may be an argument that - as well as the months in which it's played - an improvement in the quality of first class cricket is important too.
Why is it that every player that comes in against us seems to play out of their skin. Going back to when Labuschagne replaced Smith in the last series in England; Richardson, Boland and now Khawaja in this series.
On the flip side every player we bring in as a replacement is like a deer in headlights every time.
I joked about the Aussies having to bring in someone with a Test average of 41 (which is now 42 as a result of his 137* today) but that is better than all of our batsmen bar Root. Their numbers 3 & 4 average about 60 apiece.
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
They also don't have eighteen "first class" clubs, with talent spread very, very thinly across all of them.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
10 years when England were number 1 in the world (and had stuffed Australia away 3-1 in 2010/11) the 18 team country system didn't seem so bad
The same county system won the WC in 2019 too...
Fifty years since we've regained the Ashes in Australia, but suddenly the sole reason is the 2021 fixture schedule.
It seems that most people think the problem is when and how much "first class" cricket is played in England and Wales and are not bothered about the possibility of talent and the poor standard.
I wonder if anyone would acknowledge that there may be an argument that - as well as the months in which it's played - an improvement in the quality of first class cricket is important too.
I've already said that the England players should be playing more CC cricket. Ditch The Hundred, re-vamp The Blast and allow three overseas in the CC plus all the England players when possible and it will automatically be stronger. Three Divisions, no Play Offs etc etc, so 10 quality matches played in May/June/July/August will mean that the cream should also rise to the top. If these are timed to avoid the Test matches then those players needing to find form will have plenty of opportunity to do so.
It seems that most people think the problem is when and how much "first class" cricket is played in England and Wales and are not bothered about the possibility of talent and the poor standard.
I wonder if anyone would acknowledge that there may be an argument that - as well as the months in which it's played - an improvement in the quality of first class cricket is important too.
I've already said that the England players should be playing more CC cricket. Ditch The Hundred, re-vamp The Blast and allow three overseas in the CC plus all the England players when possible and it will automatically be stronger. Three Divisions, no Play Offs etc etc, so 10 quality matches played in May/June/July/August will mean that the cream should also rise to the top. If these are timed to avoid the Test matches then those players needing to find form will have plenty of opportunity to do so.
I don't agree with everything you've said, but it seems we're in agreement that the standard isn't high enough.
White ball cricket creates so much money nowadays that red ball cricket is seen as the poor relation. That is one reason why producing top class Test players is becoming harder. The powers that be need to find a way to stop this trend before our Test team becomes a joke.
White ball cricket creates so much money nowadays that red ball cricket is seen as the poor relation. That is one reason why producing top class Test players is becoming harder. The powers that be need to find a way to stop this trend before our Test team becomes a joke.
White ball cricket creates so much money nowadays that red ball cricket is seen as the poor relation. That is one reason why producing top class Test players is becoming harder. The powers that be need to find a way to stop this trend before our Test team becomes a joke.
this .. I don't think the 'way' will be found .. white ball is where the money is .. I'll say it again, test cricket, even 3/4 day cricket is dying a slow but inevitable death .. young talents want the quick game AND the big bucks
White ball cricket creates so much money nowadays that red ball cricket is seen as the poor relation. That is one reason why producing top class Test players is becoming harder. The powers that be need to find a way to stop this trend before our Test team becomes a joke.
Some would say that's too late
They would probably be the same people who support the Hundred
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But, if he'd wrongly given it out, caught, DRS would have confirmed it as out.
Either way, DRS would have upheld the wrong decision!
99-1 since the sixth wicket.
Or is he
But this doesn't come about by accident. On occasions, the New South Wales team has Warner, Smith, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood in it - six of their best Test side and their bowling attack of choice. We are lucky to get one or two of our internationals playing CC at any given time. Their number 3 played more CC matches than any of our top 6 last season and all of their bowlers bowl a lot more in their SS than ours did in the CC.
However, unlike us, they also don't have as many as four domestic competitions (or play as many games in each of those) which is why their players even turn out for their clubs - for example, there is one club in the South Australia 1st Grade that has no less than seven players that play State cricket of which one has played for Australia, one for Australia A and another two for Australia U19. So the standard of club cricket is better which means the jump to State isn't as massive as ours is from club to the CC and likewise from State to the Australian side.
The bottom line is that their players are both mentally and physically better prepared when it comes to stepping up.
The gulf between the Sheffield Shield and the county championship is far bigger than that between the two treat teams in my opinion.
The same county system won the WC in 2019 too...
And those that are not in the England Test side are trying to break through in March/April/May/September/October in the least suitable conditions. It's not just the batsmen, it's the spinners too that struggle - last season, of the top 20 wickets takers in the CC, 18 are seamers. Of the two that are spinners, one is an overseas. Again, it doesn't matter how many teams there are in the CC if spinners aren't allowed to learn their craft - we end up with nothing but white ball containers!
I wonder if anyone would acknowledge that there may be an argument that - as well as the months in which it's played - an improvement in the quality of first class cricket is important too.
That is one reason why producing top class Test players is becoming harder.
The powers that be need to find a way to stop this trend before our Test team becomes a joke.