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More Controlled Parking Restrictions for Charlton
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stevexreeve said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:South-Western Railways bless 'em have just drastically reduced the number of services offering their "Super Off-Peak" fares.
As a consequence the cheapest return rail fare I can get from Poole to Charlton is now £90 return for me and my son, with a Railcard.
Alternatively we can get a National Express coach Bournemouth to London Victoria plus tube and rail fares about £70 with coach card.
Or I can bung my son £40 petrol money and we park free around Charlton Park.
All the while I can afford it I still prefer to use the train, but over 20 odd times a year you can see where the savings are
My son has a car, but it's not for me to presume to "justify" his reasons, he is an adult and no longer lives at home
As far as attending games is concerned, I refer to my original post
I get it that there is a wider argument to be had and that's what you are implying. Point taken
(Edit: Other than to say there are myriad reasons for maintaining a car and if one feels justified in the ongoing expense, then the occasional visit to CAFC may be viewed in isolation - i.e you'll be paying your "£200 to £300" whether you go to football or not)0 -
I would love to be able to use public transport to get to Charlton.
Unfortunately Melton Constable train station closed in 1964 leaving Sheringham as my "local" mainline station - that's 12 miles away and only gets me to Norwich (25 miles away) and London trains from there are bloody expensive.
That leaves me with King's Lynn (30 miles away) for a (cheaper) train to King's Cross and then subsequent connections to Charlton. With the frequency of trains, length of journeys, and trying to build in some extra time to allow for possible/inevitable delays I'd be turning my usual 3-hour car trip into at least 4-hours car-and-train (probably longer), not getting home from a 3pm Saturday kick-off until well after 10pm. Early or late kick-offs will be a no-no and midweek matches impossible.
That leaves my trusty chariot as my only realistic mode of transport which, thankfully, is currently spared under the new ULEZ crap. If I'm unable to park within sensible walking distance of the ground for me and my grandson that could be the end of our Valley-visiting days ... and the little fella has only just started!9 -
Briston_Addick said:I would love to be able to use public transport to get to Charlton.
Unfortunately Melton Constable train station closed in 1964 leaving Sheringham as my "local" mainline station - that's 12 miles away and only gets me to Norwich (25 miles away) and London trains from there are bloody expensive.
That leaves me with King's Lynn (30 miles away) for a (cheaper) train to King's Cross and then subsequent connections to Charlton. With the frequency of trains, length of journeys, and trying to build in some extra time to allow for possible/inevitable delays I'd be turning my usual 3-hour car trip into at least 4-hours car-and-train (probably longer), not getting home from a 3pm Saturday kick-off until well after 10pm. Early or late kick-offs will be a no-no and midweek matches impossible.
That leaves my trusty chariot as my only realistic mode of transport which, thankfully, is currently spared under the new ULEZ crap. If I'm unable to park within sensible walking distance of the ground for me and my grandson that could be the end of our Valley-visiting days ... and the little fella has only just started!4 -
O-Randy-Hunt said:Briston_Addick said:I would love to be able to use public transport to get to Charlton.
Unfortunately Melton Constable train station closed in 1964 leaving Sheringham as my "local" mainline station - that's 12 miles away and only gets me to Norwich (25 miles away) and London trains from there are bloody expensive.
That leaves me with King's Lynn (30 miles away) for a (cheaper) train to King's Cross and then subsequent connections to Charlton. With the frequency of trains, length of journeys, and trying to build in some extra time to allow for possible/inevitable delays I'd be turning my usual 3-hour car trip into at least 4-hours car-and-train (probably longer), not getting home from a 3pm Saturday kick-off until well after 10pm. Early or late kick-offs will be a no-no and midweek matches impossible.
That leaves my trusty chariot as my only realistic mode of transport which, thankfully, is currently spared under the new ULEZ crap. If I'm unable to park within sensible walking distance of the ground for me and my grandson that could be the end of our Valley-visiting days ... and the little fella has only just started!
And once I got to Sheringham I'd probably be watching the steam trains on the North Norfolk Railway, getting a portion of chips from Dave's Fish Bar followed by an ice cream from Ellie's ... so I'd never get any further!2 -
O-Randy-Hunt said:Briston_Addick said:I would love to be able to use public transport to get to Charlton.
Unfortunately Melton Constable train station closed in 1964 leaving Sheringham as my "local" mainline station - that's 12 miles away and only gets me to Norwich (25 miles away) and London trains from there are bloody expensive.
That leaves me with King's Lynn (30 miles away) for a (cheaper) train to King's Cross and then subsequent connections to Charlton. With the frequency of trains, length of journeys, and trying to build in some extra time to allow for possible/inevitable delays I'd be turning my usual 3-hour car trip into at least 4-hours car-and-train (probably longer), not getting home from a 3pm Saturday kick-off until well after 10pm. Early or late kick-offs will be a no-no and midweek matches impossible.
That leaves my trusty chariot as my only realistic mode of transport which, thankfully, is currently spared under the new ULEZ crap. If I'm unable to park within sensible walking distance of the ground for me and my grandson that could be the end of our Valley-visiting days ... and the little fella has only just started!3 -
Did the rather harsher Millennium Parking restrictions have an effect on attendances? Or did people just get on with it?1
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Rothko said:AFKABartram said:So if this goes through, will it mean that on a Matchday you won’t be able to park in the blue zones?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzZSiXwNZYc0 -
Rothko said:Did the rather harsher Millennium Parking restrictions have an effect on attendances? Or did people just get on with it?
It was during the 1st Division Championship winning year and subsequent years in the PL so no effect on attendances.4 -
Rothko said:The area covered by the new CPZ will effect very few on a match day, and there is no restrictions on lots of the parking around the Barrier/North of the Woolwich Road.0
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AFKABartram said:So if this goes through, will it mean that on a Matchday you won’t be able to park in the blue zones?0
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O-Randy-Hunt said:ShootersHillGuru said:The official view will be that it’s an attempt to drive people out of their cars onto public transport and tick the “ green credentials “ box. The reality is that it will just deter some maybe quite a few from coming at all.
They are trying anything to get people out of their own vehicles and onto a bus or bike. Whether that's parking charges, congestion charges, rephasing the traffic lights so they go green for 7 seconds and red for 3 minutes or the phantom roadworks where a workman is nowhere to be seen. If it makes drivers miserable they may well start to leave the car at home and use an alternative. Doubt it though.
Apart from making the alternatives cheaper and better3 -
I really don’t get even if you a non-driving / anti car fan why you’d pore scorn or add sarcasm to this. Surely we all want our club to thrive and in doing so get as many people as it can through the turnstiles?
Further imposed parking restrictions that will make it impossible to park virtually anywhere walkable from the ground won’t have any positive effect on our club, only the risk of a negative.The thought of everyone arriving by public transport is a nice one but just not a realistic one. We all know we have a very family based support and probably a higher weighting of elderly supporters at The Valley than most other clubs. Not everyone who is old or has kids with them are comfortable with the station situation post match as it is, and I’m not sure it would be viable at all if it had to deal with a few thousand extra people using it every game. As others have said, getting back to North Greenwich post match is a nightmare. Many people on a matchday don’t just leave their home to go football and then return back again after, many have other pre or post match commitments that makes attending by car essential to them going.There’s also the other aspect of the erosion of peoples routines and familiarisations, the things that keep them coming back routinely through habit during the not so good times. Could be a pint in the same pub, chips from the same chippy, walk down the same road etc.. the number of these aspects disappearing just seems to be steadily increasing.32 -
O-Randy-Hunt said:Briston_Addick said:I would love to be able to use public transport to get to Charlton.
Unfortunately Melton Constable train station closed in 1964 leaving Sheringham as my "local" mainline station - that's 12 miles away and only gets me to Norwich (25 miles away) and London trains from there are bloody expensive.
That leaves me with King's Lynn (30 miles away) for a (cheaper) train to King's Cross and then subsequent connections to Charlton. With the frequency of trains, length of journeys, and trying to build in some extra time to allow for possible/inevitable delays I'd be turning my usual 3-hour car trip into at least 4-hours car-and-train (probably longer), not getting home from a 3pm Saturday kick-off until well after 10pm. Early or late kick-offs will be a no-no and midweek matches impossible.
That leaves my trusty chariot as my only realistic mode of transport which, thankfully, is currently spared under the new ULEZ crap. If I'm unable to park within sensible walking distance of the ground for me and my grandson that could be the end of our Valley-visiting days ... and the little fella has only just started!
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Rothko said:The CPZ is being brought in as those roads are being used as car parks for Charlton Station and North Greenwich, not to spite people who think getting the train a few times on a Saturday
Motorists in south-east London will soon live with the worst traffic congestion and pollution in the country (if we don't already) and also be taxed the most for the cheek of having a car - Congestion Charge, Ultra Low Emission Zone charges, Tunnel Tolls and Resident Parking charges and restrictions. All whilst our arterial roads have been restricted to single-file, often idling, queueing traffic to accommodate a tiny number of patronising cyclists (I have two road bikes).
Before anyone gets confused, I understand why we need to address climate change and support great public transport. Make it work really well and make it cheap, then I will consider my car usage seriously. In the meantime it's just another cynical and continuing attack on motorists.14 -
ShootersHillGuru said:O-Randy-Hunt said:Briston_Addick said:I would love to be able to use public transport to get to Charlton.
Unfortunately Melton Constable train station closed in 1964 leaving Sheringham as my "local" mainline station - that's 12 miles away and only gets me to Norwich (25 miles away) and London trains from there are bloody expensive.
That leaves me with King's Lynn (30 miles away) for a (cheaper) train to King's Cross and then subsequent connections to Charlton. With the frequency of trains, length of journeys, and trying to build in some extra time to allow for possible/inevitable delays I'd be turning my usual 3-hour car trip into at least 4-hours car-and-train (probably longer), not getting home from a 3pm Saturday kick-off until well after 10pm. Early or late kick-offs will be a no-no and midweek matches impossible.
That leaves my trusty chariot as my only realistic mode of transport which, thankfully, is currently spared under the new ULEZ crap. If I'm unable to park within sensible walking distance of the ground for me and my grandson that could be the end of our Valley-visiting days ... and the little fella has only just started!0 -
randy andy said:O-Randy-Hunt said:ShootersHillGuru said:The official view will be that it’s an attempt to drive people out of their cars onto public transport and tick the “ green credentials “ box. The reality is that it will just deter some maybe quite a few from coming at all.
They are trying anything to get people out of their own vehicles and onto a bus or bike. Whether that's parking charges, congestion charges, rephasing the traffic lights so they go green for 7 seconds and red for 3 minutes or the phantom roadworks where a workman is nowhere to be seen. If it makes drivers miserable they may well start to leave the car at home and use an alternative. Doubt it though.
Apart from making the alternatives cheaper and better
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Cardinal Sin said:Rothko said:The CPZ is being brought in as those roads are being used as car parks for Charlton Station and North Greenwich, not to spite people who think getting the train a few times on a Saturday
Motorists in south-east London will soon live with the worst traffic congestion and pollution in the country (if we don't already) and also be taxed the most for the cheek of having a car - Congestion Charge, Ultra Low Emission Zone charges, Tunnel Tolls and Resident Parking charges and restrictions. All whilst our arterial roads have been restricted to single-file, often idling, queueing traffic to accommodate a tiny number of patronising cyclists (I have two road bikes).
Before anyone gets confused, I understand why we need to address climate change and support great public transport. Make it work really well and make it cheap, then I will consider my car usage seriously. In the meantime it's just another cynical and continuing attack on motorists.
We're only at the consultation stage, I'm going to take a guess that the zone will extend a bit, but not massively to the east, and probably mainly to the west, where residents have been on the war path about this for 3 years1 -
AFKABartram said:I really don’t get even if you a non-driving / anti car fan why you’d pore scorn or add sarcasm to this. Surely we all want our club to thrive and in doing so get as many people as it can through the turnstiles?
Further imposed parking restrictions that will make it impossible to park virtually anywhere walkable from the ground won’t have any positive effect on our club, only the risk of a negative.The thought of everyone arriving by public transport is a nice one but just not a realistic one. We all know we have a very family based support and probably a higher weighting of elderly supporters at The Valley than most other clubs. Not everyone who is old or has kids with them are comfortable with the station situation post match as it is, and I’m not sure it would be viable at all if it had to deal with a few thousand extra people using it every game. As others have said, getting back to North Greenwich post match is a nightmare. Many people on a matchday don’t just leave their home to go football and then return back again after, many have other pre or post match commitments that makes attending by car essential to them going.There’s also the other aspect of the erosion of peoples routines and familiarisations, the things that keep them coming back routinely through habit during the not so good times. Could be a pint in the same pub, chips from the same chippy, walk down the same road etc.. the number of these aspects disappearing just seems to be steadily increasing.
At presant we have too many of our own supporters base not prepared/able to come to The Valley on a consistent enough basis. We have to look at alternative ways to increase the supporter base4 -
Cardinal Sin said:Rothko said:The CPZ is being brought in as those roads are being used as car parks for Charlton Station and North Greenwich, not to spite people who think getting the train a few times on a Saturday
Motorists in south-east London will soon live with the worst traffic congestion and pollution in the country (if we don't already) and also be taxed the most for the cheek of having a car - Congestion Charge, Ultra Low Emission Zone charges, Tunnel Tolls and Resident Parking charges and restrictions. All whilst our arterial roads have been restricted to single-file, often idling, queueing traffic to accommodate a tiny number of patronising cyclists (I have two road bikes).
Before anyone gets confused, I understand why we need to address climate change and support great public transport. Make it work really well and make it cheap, then I will consider my car usage seriously. In the meantime it's just another cynical and continuing attack on motorists.I used to drive to the valley but since the cycleway along trafalgar road opened I’m now cycling. Same goes for some of my journeys to West Greenwich and Blackheath.I get that it’s challenging to use public transport for those coming from Kent/Bexley but for those living closer to the valley around Greenwich, driving is completely unnecessary.3 -
The club or the Supporters trust would be advised to contact Dan Thorpe, the leader of Greenwich Council and local MP, Matt Pennycook to make their views known and what effect it could have on people attending the Valley.
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JohnnyH2 said:AFKABartram said:I really don’t get even if you a non-driving / anti car fan why you’d pore scorn or add sarcasm to this. Surely we all want our club to thrive and in doing so get as many people as it can through the turnstiles?
Further imposed parking restrictions that will make it impossible to park virtually anywhere walkable from the ground won’t have any positive effect on our club, only the risk of a negative.The thought of everyone arriving by public transport is a nice one but just not a realistic one. We all know we have a very family based support and probably a higher weighting of elderly supporters at The Valley than most other clubs. Not everyone who is old or has kids with them are comfortable with the station situation post match as it is, and I’m not sure it would be viable at all if it had to deal with a few thousand extra people using it every game. As others have said, getting back to North Greenwich post match is a nightmare. Many people on a matchday don’t just leave their home to go football and then return back again after, many have other pre or post match commitments that makes attending by car essential to them going.There’s also the other aspect of the erosion of peoples routines and familiarisations, the things that keep them coming back routinely through habit during the not so good times. Could be a pint in the same pub, chips from the same chippy, walk down the same road etc.. the number of these aspects disappearing just seems to be steadily increasing.
At presant we have too many of our own supporters base not prepared/able to come to The Valley on a consistent enough basis. We have to look at alternative ways to increase the supporter base0 -
paulbaconsarnie said:JohnnyH2 said:AFKABartram said:I really don’t get even if you a non-driving / anti car fan why you’d pore scorn or add sarcasm to this. Surely we all want our club to thrive and in doing so get as many people as it can through the turnstiles?
Further imposed parking restrictions that will make it impossible to park virtually anywhere walkable from the ground won’t have any positive effect on our club, only the risk of a negative.The thought of everyone arriving by public transport is a nice one but just not a realistic one. We all know we have a very family based support and probably a higher weighting of elderly supporters at The Valley than most other clubs. Not everyone who is old or has kids with them are comfortable with the station situation post match as it is, and I’m not sure it would be viable at all if it had to deal with a few thousand extra people using it every game. As others have said, getting back to North Greenwich post match is a nightmare. Many people on a matchday don’t just leave their home to go football and then return back again after, many have other pre or post match commitments that makes attending by car essential to them going.There’s also the other aspect of the erosion of peoples routines and familiarisations, the things that keep them coming back routinely through habit during the not so good times. Could be a pint in the same pub, chips from the same chippy, walk down the same road etc.. the number of these aspects disappearing just seems to be steadily increasing.
At presant we have too many of our own supporters base not prepared/able to come to The Valley on a consistent enough basis. We have to look at alternative ways to increase the supporter base1 -
Rothko said:Cardinal Sin said:Rothko said:The CPZ is being brought in as those roads are being used as car parks for Charlton Station and North Greenwich, not to spite people who think getting the train a few times on a Saturday
Motorists in south-east London will soon live with the worst traffic congestion and pollution in the country (if we don't already) and also be taxed the most for the cheek of having a car - Congestion Charge, Ultra Low Emission Zone charges, Tunnel Tolls and Resident Parking charges and restrictions. All whilst our arterial roads have been restricted to single-file, often idling, queueing traffic to accommodate a tiny number of patronising cyclists (I have two road bikes).
Before anyone gets confused, I understand why we need to address climate change and support great public transport. Make it work really well and make it cheap, then I will consider my car usage seriously. In the meantime it's just another cynical and continuing attack on motorists.
We're only at the consultation stage, I'm going to take a guess that the zone will extend a bit, but not massively to the east, and probably mainly to the west, where residents have been on the war path about this for 3 years0 -
Leeds_Addick said:Cardinal Sin said:Rothko said:The CPZ is being brought in as those roads are being used as car parks for Charlton Station and North Greenwich, not to spite people who think getting the train a few times on a Saturday
Motorists in south-east London will soon live with the worst traffic congestion and pollution in the country (if we don't already) and also be taxed the most for the cheek of having a car - Congestion Charge, Ultra Low Emission Zone charges, Tunnel Tolls and Resident Parking charges and restrictions. All whilst our arterial roads have been restricted to single-file, often idling, queueing traffic to accommodate a tiny number of patronising cyclists (I have two road bikes).
Before anyone gets confused, I understand why we need to address climate change and support great public transport. Make it work really well and make it cheap, then I will consider my car usage seriously. In the meantime it's just another cynical and continuing attack on motorists.I used to drive to the valley but since the cycleway along trafalgar road opened I’m now cycling. Same goes for some of my journeys to West Greenwich and Blackheath.I get that it’s challenging to use public transport for those coming from Kent/Bexley but for those living closer to the valley around Greenwich, driving is completely unnecessary.
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Cardinal Sin said:Leeds_Addick said:Cardinal Sin said:Rothko said:The CPZ is being brought in as those roads are being used as car parks for Charlton Station and North Greenwich, not to spite people who think getting the train a few times on a Saturday
Motorists in south-east London will soon live with the worst traffic congestion and pollution in the country (if we don't already) and also be taxed the most for the cheek of having a car - Congestion Charge, Ultra Low Emission Zone charges, Tunnel Tolls and Resident Parking charges and restrictions. All whilst our arterial roads have been restricted to single-file, often idling, queueing traffic to accommodate a tiny number of patronising cyclists (I have two road bikes).
Before anyone gets confused, I understand why we need to address climate change and support great public transport. Make it work really well and make it cheap, then I will consider my car usage seriously. In the meantime it's just another cynical and continuing attack on motorists.I used to drive to the valley but since the cycleway along trafalgar road opened I’m now cycling. Same goes for some of my journeys to West Greenwich and Blackheath.I get that it’s challenging to use public transport for those coming from Kent/Bexley but for those living closer to the valley around Greenwich, driving is completely unnecessary.
Cyclists have just as might right to use the road as anyone else, and I am sure that a lot of those people in those cars contributing to the traffic could cycle. If we had more a cycling culture here in the UK instead of driving, closer to say Dutch or Belgium, it would benefit society massively. Has to start somewhere....2 -
There's always a jam on Trafalgar Road at that point1
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Cardinal Sin said:Rothko said:The CPZ is being brought in as those roads are being used as car parks for Charlton Station and North Greenwich, not to spite people who think getting the train a few times on a Saturday
Motorists in south-east London will soon live with the worst traffic congestion and pollution in the country (if we don't already) and also be taxed the most for the cheek of having a car - Congestion Charge, Ultra Low Emission Zone charges, Tunnel Tolls and Resident Parking charges and restrictions. All whilst our arterial roads have been restricted to single-file, often idling, queueing traffic to accommodate a tiny number of patronising cyclists (I have two road bikes).
Before anyone gets confused, I understand why we need to address climate change and support great public transport. Make it work really well and make it cheap, then I will consider my car usage seriously. In the meantime it's just another cynical and continuing attack on motorists.
As for the scheme, it was suspended less than two hours after its introduction due to gridlock affecting most of Plumstead, which ironically stopped the buses getting to their lane. The suspension meant what was a two lane road plus a bus lane was left with no bus lane until they reconfigured the road yet again.
Back to Charlton, my situation is peculiar to me - just as others' are to them - but I live in a village outside of Ashford. I can't survive without a car. Buses run hourly at peak, take an age to get the 7 miles into Ashford (ten minute car ride) and don't run after 5pm at all. Less frequent at weekends. No issue driving to the station, but trains cost more than the ticket price, and generally land the other side of London. I believe the VE may go from Ashford, but as I often stay in Charlton after the game or catch up with my mum at Dartford, neither are solutions for me.
Parking is much much more challenging now than it was during the Prem days, and attendances are half what they were then. I got lucky Saturday as I was late and a space appeared in Charlton Lane, but the journey time, work, childcare, etc doesn't always make it easy to leave early and secure a space.
Genuinely, if parking becomes impossible I can't see how I could go to games - not sure i can justify swallowing the costs of parking at the Valley itself.
The club should be taking this up with the Council, not the Trust, in my view.7 -
Cardinal Sin said:Leeds_Addick said:Cardinal Sin said:Rothko said:The CPZ is being brought in as those roads are being used as car parks for Charlton Station and North Greenwich, not to spite people who think getting the train a few times on a Saturday
Motorists in south-east London will soon live with the worst traffic congestion and pollution in the country (if we don't already) and also be taxed the most for the cheek of having a car - Congestion Charge, Ultra Low Emission Zone charges, Tunnel Tolls and Resident Parking charges and restrictions. All whilst our arterial roads have been restricted to single-file, often idling, queueing traffic to accommodate a tiny number of patronising cyclists (I have two road bikes).
Before anyone gets confused, I understand why we need to address climate change and support great public transport. Make it work really well and make it cheap, then I will consider my car usage seriously. In the meantime it's just another cynical and continuing attack on motorists.I used to drive to the valley but since the cycleway along trafalgar road opened I’m now cycling. Same goes for some of my journeys to West Greenwich and Blackheath.I get that it’s challenging to use public transport for those coming from Kent/Bexley but for those living closer to the valley around Greenwich, driving is completely unnecessary.2 -
Leeds_Addick said:Cardinal Sin said:Leeds_Addick said:Cardinal Sin said:Rothko said:The CPZ is being brought in as those roads are being used as car parks for Charlton Station and North Greenwich, not to spite people who think getting the train a few times on a Saturday
Motorists in south-east London will soon live with the worst traffic congestion and pollution in the country (if we don't already) and also be taxed the most for the cheek of having a car - Congestion Charge, Ultra Low Emission Zone charges, Tunnel Tolls and Resident Parking charges and restrictions. All whilst our arterial roads have been restricted to single-file, often idling, queueing traffic to accommodate a tiny number of patronising cyclists (I have two road bikes).
Before anyone gets confused, I understand why we need to address climate change and support great public transport. Make it work really well and make it cheap, then I will consider my car usage seriously. In the meantime it's just another cynical and continuing attack on motorists.I used to drive to the valley but since the cycleway along trafalgar road opened I’m now cycling. Same goes for some of my journeys to West Greenwich and Blackheath.I get that it’s challenging to use public transport for those coming from Kent/Bexley but for those living closer to the valley around Greenwich, driving is completely unnecessary.10 -
Can someone tell me when this is supposed to be happening? I travel down from Leicestershire for the games and park on the east side of the The Valley opposite Marion Park, where my old man use to park in the 60/70's.
Coming down by train would involve 4 trains (potentially 5) and would take an eternity, let alone getting back again. I guess if this is coming in this season, it'll be the last ST I'll buy as will maybe just come down for 1 or 2 games a season. How fucking ridiculous!!
Thanks for any help with this!0