Notice he says there could be permanent departures as well
There’s plenty we would all be happy to see leave on permanents to be honest. Most of the players have had a chance to impress and failed.
Gunter soure davison morgan Watson all need to go!
Yes agreed, that’s the absolute obvious ones, probably some more with some thought. Obviously we can’t just ditch everyone in one fail swoop, as much as I’d be happy to. Don’t think any of this list would be missed at all.
i m o Morgan is still worth persevering with .. as with soooo many of ours, consistency (good not bad lol) is his big issue
Oh god Lincs, please don’t start with Morgan again. I appreciate your opinion, but IMO as I may have mentioned once or twice😂, he just don’t cut it.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Not to mention that when we were playing Roddy everyone was moaning he wasn't good enough and we needed to make a signing!
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Souare will go I think. He has been worse in the games I've seen him than Gunter and co.
I hope so, he is pretty useless...how the mighty fall.
Gunter, Matthews I think will sit our their contracts, Kirk to leave in one form or another, same with Davison and afew of our younger players out on loan.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
If we had a young wing back who was good enough I’m sure they’d get a chance, as Deji and Burstow have.
A good window would also be as mentioned above, shipping a lot of them out
Watson Morgan Kirk Gunter Davison souare
I think if all of the above moved on that might light a fire up a few of the rest of them for next season
Hard to disagree with this list but I’d ship Davison out on loan for a whole season and see what comes of it, we all saw the mare he had the other week but the kid deserve half a chance at least, then if the loan is unsuccessful then get rid.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
Because of Roland, and almost continued 3rd tier football we haven't got the "youngsters" to play. We have not got a crop of 19-21 year olds to play.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
A good window would also be as mentioned above, shipping a lot of them out
Watson Morgan Kirk Gunter Davison souare
I think if all of the above moved on that might light a fire up a few of the rest of them for next season
Hard to disagree with this list but I’d ship Davison out on loan for a whole season and see what comes of it, we all saw the mare he had the other week but the kid deserve half a chance at least, then if the loan is unsuccessful then get rid.
I think he is out of contract at the end of the season. Unless he goes on loan and scores 10 goals, unfortunately his Charlton career is over
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
Because of Roland, and almost continued 3rd tier football we haven't got the "youngsters" to play. We have got a crop of 19-21 year olds to play.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
So spend money developing a player for Chelsea who, as things stand, won’t be here next season instead?
Sorry - this sounds like I’m being overly negative about Castillo, I hope he does well and we do alright over the next few months. I would just like to see a strategy that is preparing us for a real push next season. Seems like we’re just doing the same old by bringing in short term loans which won’t help us (and may even be detrimental) in the longer term.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
Because of Roland, and almost continued 3rd tier football we haven't got the "youngsters" to play. We have got a crop of 19-21 year olds to play.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
So spend money developing a player for Chelsea who, as things stand, won’t be here next season instead?
More chance of being here next season than some of the u23s.
Because of Roland, and almost continued 3rd tier football we haven't got the "youngsters" to play. We have got a crop of 19-21 year olds to play.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
This. Bowyer had Aribo, Grant, Doughty & Dijksteel during his management period. At some point all the penny pinching from Roland and ESI was going to catch up with us. You had hoped the likes of Dempsey and Vennings would be breaking into the first team, but they are not good enough. Unfortunately, we are in that transition period when we have a weak group of 19 to 22 year olds, but good 18s. I am certain if anyone from the 23s were good enough to be in the first team, they would be.
Only one who might play between now and May is Aaron Henry and hes only 18 i think.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
Because of Roland, and almost continued 3rd tier football we haven't got the "youngsters" to play. We have got a crop of 19-21 year olds to play.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
So spend money developing a player for Chelsea who, as things stand, won’t be here next season instead?
Do we have a youth player that plays LWB?
I'm sure if we did and they thought he was good enough, he'd already be playing. Burstow is.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
Because of Roland, and almost continued 3rd tier football we haven't got the "youngsters" to play. We have got a crop of 19-21 year olds to play.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
So spend money developing a player for Chelsea who, as things stand, won’t be here next season instead?
You also end up in that no man's land that Morgan has been in for the last two years. The football equivalent of cricketers carrying the drinks. He has been on the bench 9/10 first team games so can't/doesn't play for the u23s. Ends up not playing for anyone. For a long time.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
Because of Roland, and almost continued 3rd tier football we haven't got the "youngsters" to play. We have got a crop of 19-21 year olds to play.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
So spend money developing a player for Chelsea who, as things stand, won’t be here next season instead?
More chance of being here next season than some of the u23s.
He hasn't kicked a ball for us yet so how do we know. Besides which someone said he is right footed. What ever happened to two footed.
@Cafc43v3r One of my disappointment in the summer was that we did not increase the amount of 23s on our books. We knew the age group was weak,and wished we more proactive in signing released lads from the big academies to see if anyone was capable of making the step up this season
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
Because of Roland, and almost continued 3rd tier football we haven't got the "youngsters" to play. We have got a crop of 19-21 year olds to play.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
So spend money developing a player for Chelsea who, as things stand, won’t be here next season instead?
More chance of being here next season than some of the u23s.
He hasn't kicked a ball for us yet so how do we know. Besides which someone said he is right footed. What ever happened to two footed.
Because as others explained above we have u23s that are likely to be released in the summer as they’re in their early 20s and aren’t knocking on the first team door.
@Cafc43v3r One of my disappointment in the summer was that we did not increase the amount of 23s on our books. We knew the age group was weak,and wished we more proactive in signing released lads from the big academies to see if anyone was capable of making the step up this season
Personally I believe that someone didn't think we had to because they thought the ones we had were good enough. There was an obvious change in policy around the time of the Wigan game.
A good window would also be as mentioned above, shipping a lot of them out
Watson Morgan Kirk Gunter Davison souare
I think if all of the above moved on that might light a fire up a few of the rest of them for next season
Hard to disagree with this list but I’d ship Davison out on loan for a whole season and see what comes of it, we all saw the mare he had the other week but the kid deserve half a chance at least, then if the loan is unsuccessful then get rid.
Yes, I have always wanted him to do well and recall thinking after he scored at home to Sheff Wed 2 seasons ago, hmm, we might have an okay player here once he gets more experience. He may still turn out to be okay, but I think he’s going to find League 2 his level, and I can’t see him scoring the goals to get us promoted unfortunately.
It’s difficult with youngsters in general to know which way they will go, especially forwards. Burstow may be okay, but some of the stuff I’ve seen on Twitter so soon after he made his debut about how mint he is, and how he’s going to be a top player?? How can people just causally throw that out there is beyond me.
A good window would also be as mentioned above, shipping a lot of them out
Watson Morgan Kirk Gunter Davison souare
I think if all of the above moved on that might light a fire up a few of the rest of them for next season
Hard to disagree with this list but I’d ship Davison out on loan for a whole season and see what comes of it, we all saw the mare he had the other week but the kid deserve half a chance at least, then if the loan is unsuccessful then get rid.
Yes, I have always wanted him to do well and recall thinking after he scored at home to Sheff Wed 2 seasons ago, hmm, we might have an okay player here once he gets more experience. He may still turn out to be okay, but I think he’s going to find League 2 his level, and I can’t see him scoring the goals to get us promoted unfortunately.
It’s difficult with youngsters in general to know which way they will go, especially forwards. Burstow may be okay, but some of the stuff I’ve seen on Twitter so soon after he made his debut about how mint he is, and how he’s going to be a top player?? How can people just causally throw that out there is beyond me.
Think it was against West Brom mate in a 2-2 draw. Bonne got the goal against Sheffield Wed.
I see these loan signings as trials to compete for a full time move in time for next season which is surely way more sensible than temporary signings which move on in May and thus leave another gap that needs filling in the summer transfer window.
They may or may not work out, but I think that this is a sensible approach for a January window given that we clearly need yet another rebuild in the summer if we are to become a serious competitor for promotion next season.
Hopefully a few more incoming and some of the deadwood moved on will hope us get closer to this goal.
Quite understandable from our point of view, but from the players...?
Will Castillo want to move from Chelsea to us ? Yes, he might be out of contract in the summer but will he really be wanting to play in League 1 - I'm sure he has loftier aspirations. And that is the problem with taking players on loan from The Premiership, especially from "top 6" teams. They have been used to big salaries & expectations to be playing in big stadiums. I've not yet seen us sign a player on loan from Chelsea (Maartsen, Da Silva), Arsenal (Mavididi, Bielik) Liverpool (Millar) or West Ham (Cullen) that we then sign permanently.
All is does is make the summer "rebuild" even harder as we are continually churning players.
Big stadiums? Biggest he has played at is Birmingham, similar to The Valley, where he played 3 times. Before that Den Haag (15K) and Jong AZ (1K !).
Loftier ambitions - not done anything at mediocre Birmingham and the odd loan to tiny European teams so unlikely.
Whatever his salary now is irrelevant once his contract ends and assuming Chelsea are not giving him another. I very much doubt he has made enough to retire, even coming through Chelsea.
Plenty of players from big 6 teams sign for L1 clubs every season.
Loan gives us a chance to take a look and for him to take a look, he may even have a perm contract agreed subject to min number of games or something.
There is literally nothing about this loan move to moan about.
.Not moaning......just would prefer to play our youngsters than Chelsea's if he is not going to be here come August.
If Jackson felt we had a good enough youngster to play there then i'm sure he would play him and use the loan spot for another position.
Exactly. The coaching staff and manager watch them train daily and would have discussions as to whether they are good enough or ready.
Question for golfie (couldn't be bothered to go back and look for his post)...you would rather play roddy over the chelsea kid?
Does Roddy have a contract beyond this season? Genuine question, I don’t know.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
Because of Roland, and almost continued 3rd tier football we haven't got the "youngsters" to play. We have got a crop of 19-21 year olds to play.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
So spend money developing a player for Chelsea who, as things stand, won’t be here next season instead?
More chance of being here next season than some of the u23s.
He hasn't kicked a ball for us yet so how do we know. Besides which someone said he is right footed. What ever happened to two footed.
It became a straight red offence about 20 years ago.
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Not to mention that when we were playing Roddy everyone was moaning he wasn't good enough and we needed to make a signing!
Gunter, Matthews I think will sit our their contracts, Kirk to leave in one form or another, same with Davison and afew of our younger players out on loan.
I don’t really see the point in giving Chelsea’s players experience in a bid to finish 11th as opposed to giving our own youngsters experience and finishing 14th. The latter will stand us in much better stead for next season as we’ll know who can cut it and we won’t be spending money that could better be spent in the summer.
We have got some very high potential U18s and first year pros but so few are ready at that age. We have probably had 4 or 5 in the last 40 years that are. Even Parker, who by most messures is the best player to ever come through our youth set up, wasn't ready at 17/18. It can do them more harm than good.
It's the group of Claydon, Wasim, Ness etc that should be knocking on the door now. We know why they aren't.
A young home grown talent who buggered off, did well and should have retired 5 years ago.
Only one who might play between now and May is Aaron Henry and hes only 18 i think.
I'm sure if we did and they thought he was good enough, he'd already be playing. Burstow is.