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Charlton Only - January 2022 Transfer Rumours (Deadline Day p.97)

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  • Didnt we only sign Souare on a very short contract only to then extend it later? If so wonder whos decision that was!
  • Ben Dempsey is going to Ayr, currently 7th in the Scottish second tier.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/charlton-athletic-midfielder-ben-dempsey-26025236
    Reads like it'll be a permanent move
    Wanted to move south to be nearer family.
    Ayr United play at Somerset Park, which sounds like it should be full of yokels drinking cider  ;)
  • Red7Oak said:
    Didnt we only sign Souare on a very short contract only to then extend it later? If so wonder whos decision that was!
    No, that was Blackett-Taylor
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Maccn05 said:
    "Charlton set to listen to any offers for Pape Souare. Former Palace defender has dropped well down the pecking order after the arrival of Juan Castillo."

    Should have bought/loaned a proper LB in the summer rather than some unfit 31 year old. 

    Another failure of our recruitment in the summer. 
    We could have got a L1 proven & younger Ogilvie or Seddon in the summer on a free instead we waited until the last minute for a lesser player who wasn’t fit.

    Its transfer like Soure that make you question our strategy. Hopefully someone in France takes him off our hands 


    If you have got a squad of nearly 30 players you have got to have someway of getting them and keeping them match fit.  I don't know, something like a reserve team might be a good idea. 
    How many games are you realistically going to get though? With a packed first team schedule and U23 games, you're not going to get more than 3/4 games a season. Plus who do you play? I guess we could play Brentford a few times a season as I don't know of any other teams who want reserve fixtures. 
  • edited January 2022
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I hope Souare gets fixed up elsewhere soon. Suspect he won't get a squad place if he doesn't move on. 

    I hope Gunter follows and Watson sooner than later.  All poor for us, no affinity with them.  Poor signings.
    I think Watson may well be on "the staff" next season. 

    No problem with this, plus he could play some games for the U23 similar to what Andrew Croft was doing for Brighton when he is/was a playing coach.

    Some teams feel it good to have a young Coach in mid 30's playing and coaching in matches for U23.

    What Adkins failed to understand when he would always pick Watson over Dobson was Watson got to the ball too late despite being half decent still when he was on the ball.
    Dobson have been a revelation since getting back in and has even got the majority of CL agreeing for once with his clear lead up to now in the POTY when he is clear with one circuit to go.

    Ben Watson had a good career but it was a retrograde step when he got picked for Cafc despite having good games and I'm sure he could be a decent coach if he has the ability to pass on his vast knowledge of the last 18 years.


  • cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    If he hasn’t grabbed the opportunities with both hands then I am glad they are thinking this way.  He’ll probably find himself in non league very soon if he stays here, so overseas may be where Souare ends up.

    On the one hand it’s difficult not to feel sorry for him after the car accident, but on the other, we can’t have players like him in the squad if we’re serious about promotion.

    A good signal would be seeing Gunter go in this window as well.  It’s clear he’s not going to be here next season, so if we could cut ties that would be a good thing.  The quicker we get rid of the deadwood, the better it will feel.

    Hope this Castillo isn’t too far off fitness as I don’t really want us to be a platform for him just to be regaining fitness.  We need bodies in to make a difference, and perhaps give some of the players who think they might have a first team spot next season something to think about.

    To that end, do we need Matthews anymore?  If we’re going wing backs, it looks like DJ is no1 pick at the moment, and both Leko and CBT can play down the right.  
    Gunter hasn't played for 2 months, Adam Matthews played that game at Cheltenham after being out the side for 3 months. 

    Either the squad is far to big, I don't think it is (its not well balanced but that's a different issue) or we are doing something wrong.  How can you expect people to not play for months, at all, then come in and perform?

    Either match fitness/sharpness is a thing or it's not.  If it's not why bother with preason? 
    My thinking is Gunter doesn’t look like he’s in Jackson’s plans, so maybe we can listen to offers now in the same way we are for Souare 

    I wasn’t sure if Matthews may also be surplus to requirements?  If he’s still part of Jackson’s plans, then I would imagine he’ll stay.  I was just basing the comment on the fact that if we are sticking with 3-5-2 and we have Leko, CBT and DJ all available in that position, perhaps Matthews may also no longer be needed 
    Sorry I wasn't arguing with your point, just that how can you expect a player with zero minutes in 3 months to come in a play well?

    We don't seem to give anyone a proper chance to succeed. 
  • Gunter has suffered for being a good pro and playing in 3 different positions.
    Unfortunately other that his first half dozen apps he has been disappointing and age isn't the issue. 
    More the Fact that we want wingbacks.
    Shaw, Chilwell, Walker or James (dream on Sam) would be my choices but we will have to settle for League 1 level with potential to improve.

    Can DJ, Leko or CBT really consistently cover in this super fit position ( wing backs) as they are more wingers than backs. TBF all have had decent games in this new position for them, but it will be hit and miss.
    ( Just like when they are out and out wide men)

  • Gunter by all accounts hasn't had that bad a career with us, but he was part of a side that were all playing shit at the start of the season and hasn't featured much since due to injury, international games and Clare having a decent run of form
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  • Standards really are slipping if we think Gunter's career with us is anything but disappointing. We're paying him quite a bit of money to be our 3rd best right-back. 
    Gunter started off well last season, got forward and created a few goals. He had a very good game against Afc Wimbledon (from memory). I don't thing signing Watson and Gunter was a mistake as we had just come out of an embargo and needed bodies as the season had started. This put us at a massive disadvantage

    the problem was giving them 2 year deals. I'm assuming they wouldn't have signed for a year at the time. Now we are lumbered until the summer which slows down our rebuild, unless we accept that we are going to pay them and not register them in the squad.
  • edited January 2022
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I hope Souare gets fixed up elsewhere soon. Suspect he won't get a squad place if he doesn't move on. 

    I hope Gunter follows and Watson sooner than later.  All poor for us, no affinity with them.  Poor signings.
    I think Watson may well be on "the staff" next season. 

    No problem with this, plus he could play some games for the U23 similar to what Andrew Croft was doing for Brighton when he is/was a playing coach.

    Some teams feel it good to have a young Coach in mid 30's playing and coaching in matches for U23.

    What Adkins failed to understand when he would always pick Watson over Dobson was Watson got to the ball too late despite being half decent still when he was on the ball.
    Dobson have been a revelation since getting back in and has even got the majority of CL agreeing for once with his clear lead up to now in the POTY when he is clear with one circuit to go.

    Ben Watson had a good career but it was a retrograde step when he got picked for Cafc despite having good games and I'm sure he could be a decent coach if he has the ability to pass on his vast knowledge of the last 18 years.


    Always?  Watson only started 6 games one of them was with Dobson.  

    Dobson probably shouldn't have played against Wigan but as we only had 3 fit midfielders he had to. 

    He then should have come back into the team earlier than he did, he got semi permanently binned after the Wycombe game, which was a car crash through no fault of Dobson's (Watson didn't play in that either).  As that was also the start of DJ's "walking is brilliant" caused exile is suspect that's when the dressing room became, if not lost, at least missing. 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Maccn05 said:
    "Charlton set to listen to any offers for Pape Souare. Former Palace defender has dropped well down the pecking order after the arrival of Juan Castillo."

    Should have bought/loaned a proper LB in the summer rather than some unfit 31 year old. 

    Another failure of our recruitment in the summer. 
    We could have got a L1 proven & younger Ogilvie or Seddon in the summer on a free instead we waited until the last minute for a lesser player who wasn’t fit.

    Its transfer like Soure that make you question our strategy. Hopefully someone in France takes him off our hands 


    If you have got a squad of nearly 30 players you have got to have someway of getting them and keeping them match fit.  I don't know, something like a reserve team might be a good idea. 
    How many games are you realistically going to get though? With a packed first team schedule and U23 games, you're not going to get more than 3/4 games a season. Plus who do you play? I guess we could play Brentford a few times a season as I don't know of any other teams who want reserve fixtures. 
    Couldn't we use the u23s more to keep players fit?  You can play 3, I think, over age players plus a keeper.  I am not suggesting playing a team full of fringe players but you can't have players going months without a game. 
  • Leuth said:
    Worth having Gunter around for Terry Smith pronouncing it Gunther at all times
    Any opportunity to wind up the Welsh should not be missed 😜
  •  I think it says a lot that Jackson has named him in every match day squad but never actually used him. 

    > Yes, that our CM options are very thin.
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  • Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    If he hasn’t grabbed the opportunities with both hands then I am glad they are thinking this way.  He’ll probably find himself in non league very soon if he stays here, so overseas may be where Souare ends up.

    On the one hand it’s difficult not to feel sorry for him after the car accident, but on the other, we can’t have players like him in the squad if we’re serious about promotion.

    A good signal would be seeing Gunter go in this window as well.  It’s clear he’s not going to be here next season, so if we could cut ties that would be a good thing.  The quicker we get rid of the deadwood, the better it will feel.

    Hope this Castillo isn’t too far off fitness as I don’t really want us to be a platform for him just to be regaining fitness.  We need bodies in to make a difference, and perhaps give some of the players who think they might have a first team spot next season something to think about.

    To that end, do we need Matthews anymore?  If we’re going wing backs, it looks like DJ is no1 pick at the moment, and both Leko and CBT can play down the right.  
    Gunter hasn't played for 2 months, Adam Matthews played that game at Cheltenham after being out the side for 3 months. 

    Either the squad is far to big, I don't think it is (its not well balanced but that's a different issue) or we are doing something wrong.  How can you expect people to not play for months, at all, then come in and perform?

    Either match fitness/sharpness is a thing or it's not.  If it's not why bother with preason? 
    My thinking is Gunter doesn’t look like he’s in Jackson’s plans, so maybe we can listen to offers now in the same way we are for Souare 

    I wasn’t sure if Matthews may also be surplus to requirements?  If he’s still part of Jackson’s plans, then I would imagine he’ll stay.  I was just basing the comment on the fact that if we are sticking with 3-5-2 and we have Leko, CBT and DJ all available in that position, perhaps Matthews may also no longer be needed 
    Sorry I wasn't arguing with your point, just that how can you expect a player with zero minutes in 3 months to come in a play well?

    We don't seem to give anyone a proper chance to succeed. 
    Fair point.  I just genuinely wasn’t sure if he would be part of Jackson’s plans now given the current set up.  Of course, he should be given time if he is.

  • One thing for me is that the recruitment team have taken so many risks over the last 2-3 years.

    Look at Soure on paper. Awful career limiting injury and then 20 or so games in 5 years.

    Why would you take that risk? Especially as said there were proven L1 left backs out there also on frees.

    Going forward we need to be taking less of these risks and in my opinion start bringing in players based on what they can do rather than ‘big names’ that have or used to do it.
  • edited January 2022
    Maccn05 said:
    One thing for me is that the recruitment team have taken so many risks over the last 2-3 years.

    Look at Soure on paper. Awful career limiting injury and then 20 or so games in 5 years.

    Why would you take that risk? Especially as said there were proven L1 left backs out there also on frees.

    Going forward we need to be taking less of these risks and in my opinion start bringing in players based on what they can do rather than ‘big names’ that have or used to do it.
    Because other options were limited.  We signed the guy outside of a transfer window when we needed a left back. What other options were there. On a 1 year deal, it was a low risk signing. It's failed, but it was still low risk

    hopefully ts has learned from the last summer window and we won't have to make these type of signings out side of the window ever again!
  • edited January 2022
    I can't wait to see the back of Gunther. I might do a dance.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Maccn05 said:
    "Charlton set to listen to any offers for Pape Souare. Former Palace defender has dropped well down the pecking order after the arrival of Juan Castillo."

    Should have bought/loaned a proper LB in the summer rather than some unfit 31 year old. 

    Another failure of our recruitment in the summer. 
    We could have got a L1 proven & younger Ogilvie or Seddon in the summer on a free instead we waited until the last minute for a lesser player who wasn’t fit.

    Its transfer like Soure that make you question our strategy. Hopefully someone in France takes him off our hands 


    If you have got a squad of nearly 30 players you have got to have someway of getting them and keeping them match fit.  I don't know, something like a reserve team might be a good idea. 
    How many games are you realistically going to get though? With a packed first team schedule and U23 games, you're not going to get more than 3/4 games a season. Plus who do you play? I guess we could play Brentford a few times a season as I don't know of any other teams who want reserve fixtures. 
    Couldn't we use the u23s more to keep players fit?  You can play 3, I think, over age players plus a keeper.  I am not suggesting playing a team full of fringe players but you can't have players going months without a game. 
    Agreed, I don't think we utilise it well. Players coming back from injury like Lavelle recently have obviously played, but don't get why players like Souare, Arter, Watson, Kirk and CBT haven't played. 
  • Cafc43v3r said: hi
    Gunter has been nothing other than a massive disappointment.  But his age has had nothing to do with it. 

    Watson was no where near as bad as some people say he was last season and was part of our best midfield then.

    Now he seems to have taken up the Andy Hughes role of coaching from the touch line when he is "warming up".  I think it says a lot that Jackson has named him in every match day squad but never actually used him. 
    I always assume Watson being at least on the bench is contractual
  • Browne had another offer that’s why there a hold up on that deal … nothing to do with medical etc etc 
  • Maccn05 said:
    One thing for me is that the recruitment team have taken so many risks over the last 2-3 years.

    Look at Soure on paper. Awful career limiting injury and then 20 or so games in 5 years.

    Why would you take that risk? Especially as said there were proven L1 left backs out there also on frees.

    Going forward we need to be taking less of these risks and in my opinion start bringing in players based on what they can do rather than ‘big names’ that have or used to do it.
    Because other options were limited.  We signed the guy outside of a transfer window when we needed a left back. What other options were there. On a 1 year deal, it was a low risk signing. It's failed, but it was still low risk

    hopefully ts has learned from the last summer window and we won't have to make these type of signings out side of the window ever again!
    Is that right though? I think a few posters said we had a LB on loan ready to go but wanted to keep a slot for the keeper (in case we needed an emergency loan) but we had Henderson training with us before the window shut. So they were either just incorrect or we made a poor decision. Either way, the decision not to sign the left back was arguably the worst of all. You say we signed the guy outside of a transfer window and I agree at the time of signing Souare we had little choice. However, we needed a left back long before that point in time so it was a terrible decision to leave it that late. 
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