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Charlton Only - January 2022 Transfer Rumours (Deadline Day p.97)

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  • Ben18 said:
    Cafc43v3r said: hi
    Gunter has been nothing other than a massive disappointment.  But his age has had nothing to do with it. 

    Watson was no where near as bad as some people say he was last season and was part of our best midfield then.

    Now he seems to have taken up the Andy Hughes role of coaching from the touch line when he is "warming up".  I think it says a lot that Jackson has named him in every match day squad but never actually used him. 
    I always assume Watson being at least on the bench is contractual
    Adkins left him out of squads when he was fit, so did Bowyer so it can't be that. 
  • Browne had another offer that’s why there a hold up on that deal … nothing to do with medical etc etc 

  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Maccn05 said:
    "Charlton set to listen to any offers for Pape Souare. Former Palace defender has dropped well down the pecking order after the arrival of Juan Castillo."

    Should have bought/loaned a proper LB in the summer rather than some unfit 31 year old. 

    Another failure of our recruitment in the summer. 
    We could have got a L1 proven & younger Ogilvie or Seddon in the summer on a free instead we waited until the last minute for a lesser player who wasn’t fit.

    Its transfer like Soure that make you question our strategy. Hopefully someone in France takes him off our hands 


    If you have got a squad of nearly 30 players you have got to have someway of getting them and keeping them match fit.  I don't know, something like a reserve team might be a good idea. 
    How many games are you realistically going to get though? With a packed first team schedule and U23 games, you're not going to get more than 3/4 games a season. Plus who do you play? I guess we could play Brentford a few times a season as I don't know of any other teams who want reserve fixtures. 
    Couldn't we use the u23s more to keep players fit?  You can play 3, I think, over age players plus a keeper.  I am not suggesting playing a team full of fringe players but you can't have players going months without a game. 
    Agreed, I don't think we utilise it well. Players coming back from injury like Lavelle recently have obviously played, but don't get why players like Souare, Arter, Watson, Kirk and CBT haven't played. 
    Something I've mentioned over the past couple of seasons & which I feel strongly would help injured players to get back to match fitness & other fringe players to maintain their focus & desire to gain a 1st team place. 
  • vffvff
    edited January 2022
    Charlton life loves a good scapegoat, especially left backs or right backs - appears that Gunter is the latest on here. Charlton are a league one team and Gunter is not that bad. He does alright for Wales against higher quality opponents. Maybe because there are better players around him and everyone knows their roles and responsibilities. Gunter is not Luke Young levels of proficiency but what do you expect in League One ? Whilst, I like Clare for example, he has made several poor passes over the last few games and slipped over yesterday, saved by Faemwo near the end of the first half . Don't get me wrong, I like Clare, who is probably better in midfield and is doing a reasonable job playing out of position, but if Gunter made mistakes like that, we would never hear the last of it.
    Quite often, players are exposed because the position they are asked to play in doesn't suit them, or one of the other players around them is not giving them any cover. Famewo yesterday was exposed in the first half by lack of support by Corey Blackett Taylor, who was good going forward but provided little defensive cover at wing back. It was fortunate that Morris, was on the subs bench at that point. It is probably not Faemwo's best position as a central defender on the left side of a back 3, but the lack of cover infront of him, doesn't help him. Faemwo hasn't turned into a terrible defender. Gunter is not as bad as is made out on here IMO. Blaming one player for poor team performance or team set up by a manager with a strategy that is not working, is not much use for anything, IMO.
  • Maccn05 said:
    One thing for me is that the recruitment team have taken so many risks over the last 2-3 years.

    Look at Soure on paper. Awful career limiting injury and then 20 or so games in 5 years.

    Why would you take that risk? Especially as said there were proven L1 left backs out there also on frees.

    Going forward we need to be taking less of these risks and in my opinion start bringing in players based on what they can do rather than ‘big names’ that have or used to do it.
    Because other options were limited.  We signed the guy outside of a transfer window when we needed a left back. What other options were there. On a 1 year deal, it was a low risk signing. It's failed, but it was still low risk

    hopefully ts has learned from the last summer window and we won't have to make these type of signings out side of the window ever again!
    Well, I gave two earlier in Seddon who’s now playing for playoff chasing Oxford and doing well and Ogilvie from just down the road at Gills both were L1 hardened, younger and on frees. We could have tied them down for 3 years and added them to the core. 

    There was Borthwick-Jackson ex Utd who went to Burton (another team doing better than us)

    So there’s 3 options off the top of my head. I have no issue in taking a punt on Soure but why did we leave it so late? so he couldn’t feature in preseason, why wasn’t he on trial at least taking Roddy’s mins? Even JJ said he needs a run of games and he’s never gotten that because of Purrington and being awful whenever he’s played.

    As I say I’d like to see us taking less risks going forward.
  • vffvff
    edited January 2022
    SELR_addicks
    It's not a crime to say a player has been a disappointment. 

    Talk of 'scapegoat' is nonsense. 

    We signed an International right-back and he can't get in ahead of a league one central midfielder at right-back? That's a disappointment. 
    -------
    Who said it was a crime ? I just don't agree is all. People are entitled to their opinion. over the last couple of pages, oh yes, Gunter is rubbish, happy to see the back of him etc. It appears that there is a succession of people following eachother. There is more to it than that. Gunter is an international but with Wales, there can be not a lot of competition in certain positions. Wales as an international team, was fortunate to have Ramsey and Bale playing that lifted them. They are like a club international side.
    Gunter is a right back, not a centre back or a wing back. Clare is quicker than Gunter and more suited to 352 because of that. Similarly Faemwo struggles on the left side as he is not that quick.

  • shirty5 said:
    Browne had another offer that’s why there a hold up on that deal … nothing to do with medical etc etc 

    He’s had two successful loan spells at Oxford, he knows the place and let’s be honest it’s more attractive in the short term as they’re in a promotion battle.  It’s a complete guess but I reckon it’s them.  
  • Maccn05 said:
    Maccn05 said:
    One thing for me is that the recruitment team have taken so many risks over the last 2-3 years.

    Look at Soure on paper. Awful career limiting injury and then 20 or so games in 5 years.

    Why would you take that risk? Especially as said there were proven L1 left backs out there also on frees.

    Going forward we need to be taking less of these risks and in my opinion start bringing in players based on what they can do rather than ‘big names’ that have or used to do it.
    Because other options were limited.  We signed the guy outside of a transfer window when we needed a left back. What other options were there. On a 1 year deal, it was a low risk signing. It's failed, but it was still low risk

    hopefully ts has learned from the last summer window and we won't have to make these type of signings out side of the window ever again!
    Well, I gave two earlier in Seddon who’s now playing for playoff chasing Oxford and doing well and Ogilvie from just down the road at Gills both were L1 hardened, younger and on frees. We could have tied them down for 3 years and added them to the core. 

    There was Borthwick-Jackson ex Utd who went to Burton (another team doing better than us)

    So there’s 3 options off the top of my head. I have no issue in taking a punt on Soure but why did we leave it so late? so he couldn’t feature in preseason, why wasn’t he on trial at least taking Roddy’s mins? Even JJ said he needs a run of games and he’s never gotten that because of Purrington and being awful whenever he’s played.

    As I say I’d like to see us taking less risks going forward.
    Maybe the management thought souare on a years contract was less risk than borthwock Jackson on a three year deal. Whatever the rationale, including in the timing, was wrong! 
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  • shirty5 said:
    Browne had another offer that’s why there a hold up on that deal … nothing to do with medical etc etc 

    He’s had two successful loan spells at Oxford, he knows the place and let’s be honest it’s more attractive in the short term as they’re in a promotion battle.  It’s a complete guess but I reckon it’s them.  
    Without knowing finances, I would pick Oxford over us at the moment. 
  • All these new posts and it's about Gunter FFS
  • I agree Swisdom.
    Don't think Leko, CBT or Leko could every be good enough or fit enough to be regular wing backs. Would probably need to play 45 minutes and swap !
    Hope in the away game Purrington comes back in.  Await to see how Castillo shapes up in the LWB position.

    If Rhoys Wiggins had stayed fit, he would have emulated Simon Francis (attacking full back until becoming a CB) and played at a higher level as a wing back. 
    Steady defender and lovely sight to see him attacking. 


  • Best of luck to academy graduate Ben Dempsey, who has joined Scottish Championship side @AyrUnitedFC until the end of the season 




  • Dempsey will be linking up wiyh Sean McGinty - formerly of this parish

    Ayr also have an exciting left wingback called Patrick Reading so I might just keep half an eye on them for a month or so now
  • DOUCHER said:
    i don't think there's any lack of effot from gunter - in fact i'd go as far to say that based on what i've seen at charlton, his whole career has been based on effort and mental attitude coz i don't see a lot of ability and the sooner the likes of him and watson are out of the squad, the better
    Agree with this to me it’s never seemed like Gunter really cares in terms of his body language and effort when tracking back etc. Just my observation 

    Maybe that’s the difference when he plays for Wales - he genuinely cares about them.

    Who knows
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  • ross1 said:
    Best of luck to academy graduate Ben Dempsey, who has joined Scottish Championship side @AyrUnitedFC until the end of the season 




    Good luck to him. Got visions of it being a bit grim round that part of Scotland 
  • Browne had another offer that’s why there a hold up on that deal … nothing to do with medical etc etc 
    In other words, we should all keep an eye out for the news over the next 24 hours that Browne has failed his medical. 
    In other words, stop belittling people 
  • shirty5 said:
    Browne had another offer that’s why there a hold up on that deal … nothing to do with medical etc etc 
    Is @RonnieMoore really Rich Cawley  ??  I think we need to be told :smile:
  • All the talk of Paddy Lane for them on Saturday, I thought the kid on the other wing was a right handful, Cian Hayes.  

    Clare struggled against him first half, he’s only 18 was like a Jack Russell with his pressing and general wing play.

    I thought their lad Jay Matete stood out in the middle of the park.
    Best midfielder on the pitch IMO......apparently being eyed by a number of clubs so probably destined for championship.....
  • vff said:
    Charlton life loves a good scapegoat, especially left backs or right backs - appears that Gunter is the latest on here. Charlton are a league one team and Gunter is not that bad. He does alright for Wales against higher quality opponents. Maybe because there are better players around him and everyone knows their roles and responsibilities. Gunter is not Luke Young levels of proficiency but what do you expect in League One ? Whilst, I like Clare for example, he has made several poor passes over the last few games and slipped over yesterday, saved by Faemwo near the end of the first half . Don't get me wrong, I like Clare, who is probably better in midfield and is doing a reasonable job playing out of position, but if Gunter made mistakes like that, we would never hear the last of it.
    Quite often, players are exposed because the position they are asked to play in doesn't suit them, or one of the other players around them is not giving them any cover. Famewo yesterday was exposed in the first half by lack of support by Corey Blackett Taylor, who was good going forward but provided little defensive cover at wing back. It was fortunate that Morris, was on the subs bench at that point. It is probably not Faemwo's best position as a central defender on the left side of a back 3, but the lack of cover infront of him, doesn't help him. Faemwo hasn't turned into a terrible defender. Gunter is not as bad as is made out on here IMO. Blaming one player for poor team performance or team set up by a manager with a strategy that is not working, is not much use for anything, IMO.
    No one is blaming one player. 
    They are saying Gunter has been disappointing and he most definitely has been. 
    He's had a handful of decent games and was poor in around at least half. 
  • addickson said:
    Gribbo said:
    ross1 said:
    Best of luck to academy graduate Ben Dempsey, who has joined Scottish Championship side @AyrUnitedFC until the end of the season 




    Good luck to him. Got visions of it being a bit grim round that part of Scotland 
    Aye, it's hellish right enough

    Yep imagine having such beautiful beaches, but it's always as cold as winter.
  • DOUCHER said:
    i don't think there's any lack of effot from gunter - in fact i'd go as far to say that based on what i've seen at charlton, his whole career has been based on effort and mental attitude coz i don't see a lot of ability and the sooner the likes of him and watson are out of the squad, the better
    Yeah I'm completely with Doucher on 'the Gunter question' I think part of the problem was when we signed him, we all thought wow an international with 50+ caps for Wales, is going to be a great player. He's been terrible in my opinion, in fact surprisingly bad, he's not even a 6/10 in games, he's often a 4-5/10. We're easily a lot better team without him in it.  
  • addickson said:
    Gribbo said:
    ross1 said:
    Best of luck to academy graduate Ben Dempsey, who has joined Scottish Championship side @AyrUnitedFC until the end of the season 




    Good luck to him. Got visions of it being a bit grim round that part of Scotland 
    Aye, it's hellish right enough

    Was meaning more around the football ground itself, as opposed to around the coastline. Sorry if it was offensive 
  • Leuth said:
    Worth having Gunter around for Terry Smith pronouncing it Gunther at all times
    I thought we’d signed the waiter out of friends!
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