Whilst that would certainly explain things i'm not quite sure what the point is in whoever is involved intimidating some guy to take the video down when everyone has already seen it.
Brentford and England striker Ivan Toney has been charged by the Football Association with more than 200 alleged breaches of betting rules. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63653384
Brentford and England striker Ivan Toney has been charged by the Football Association with more than 200 alleged breaches of betting rules. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63653384
I wonder if they had foresight of this when picking the squad
Brentford and England striker Ivan Toney has been charged by the Football Association with more than 200 alleged breaches of betting rules. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63653384
I wonder if they had foresight of this when picking the squad
I wonder if someone at the FA put £100 on Toney not being in the world cup squad
Brentford and England striker Ivan Toney has been charged by the Football Association with more than 200 alleged breaches of betting rules. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63653384
I wonder if they had foresight of this when picking the squad
Definitely- It was open knowledge he was being investigated the week before the announcement. Think mentioned on here.
Brentford and England striker Ivan Toney has been charged by the Football Association with more than 200 alleged breaches of betting rules. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63653384
I wonder if they had foresight of this when picking the squad
Brentford and England striker Ivan Toney has been charged by the Football Association with more than 200 alleged breaches of betting rules. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63653384
Waiting for his new video to come out where he says “Fuck BetFred” 😉
Apparently he bet that in 2022 Ivan Toney would get 12+ goals, 8+ assists and 1+ videos insulting his employer. That’s why they call him the Brentford Nostradamus.
Gone are the days when players were easily identified in bookies gambling their life away or by their distinctive voice on the phone. Instead the integrity departments at bookmakers recognise who is behind the bets even if the accounts in question aren't in the player's name by way of betting patterns, accounts linked to each other, IP addresses etc etc. The FA can demand phone records and itemised bank statements showing monies being transferred in and out that will link the footballer to the person placing the bets and because of the telephone numbers that some footballers bet in, those transactions do tend to stand out especially when they are so regular in nature.
I very much doubt that Toney was so stupid to bet on games he was involved in but the rules cover any football match or competition, wherever it is played in the world. You cannot bet on any global football market at any level, even on aspects that aren't related to matches for example the next manager of a club. What makes the whole situation so ridiculous is that he is permitted to bet on any other sport without punishment and the fact that the FA have 232 instances of him betting on football suggests that he must have been doing so too. But those other sports weren't enough.
As I mentioned a few days ago on the England squad thread, it might well have cost him a World Cup place but, given these are historic bets, I doubt that Toney thought he would get that close when placing them. He might have been the unlucky one and that others are doing it too. I wouldn't mind betting, though, that some of those will now think twice about carrying on especially if the FA ends up throwing the book at him by way of a lengthy ban.
Gone are the days when players were easily identified in bookies gambling their life away or by their distinctive voice on the phone. Instead the integrity departments at bookmakers recognise who is behind the bets even if the accounts in question aren't in the player's name by way of betting patterns, accounts linked to each other, IP addresses etc etc. The FA can demand phone records and itemised bank statements showing monies being transferred in and out that will link the footballer to the person placing the bets and because of the telephone numbers that some footballers bet in, those transactions do tend to stand out especially when they are so regular in nature.
I very much doubt that Toney was so stupid to bet on games he was involved in but the rules cover any football match or competition, wherever it is played in the world. You cannot bet on any global football market at any level, even on aspects that aren't related to matches for example the next manager of a club. What makes the whole situation so ridiculous is that he is permitted to bet on any other sport without punishment and the fact that the FA have 232 instances of him betting on football suggests that he must have been doing so too. But those other sports weren't enough.
As I mentioned a few days ago on the England squad thread, it might well have cost him a World Cup place but, given these are historic bets, I doubt that Toney thought he would get that close when placing them. He might have been the unlucky one and that others are doing it too. I wouldn't mind betting, though, that some of those will now think twice about carrying on especially if the FA ends up throwing the book at him by way of a lengthy ban.
I've always thought this is quite crazy.
If Toney wanted to bet on a random Moldovan or Latvian game, or even Welling United, it's mad that he isn't allowed.
I know the onus is completely on the player but surely the bookies shouldn’t be taking the bets if it’s not right for the gambler to be doing them , you know the concerned bookies who are soooo worried about punters welfare etc but let’s be honest if he was winning he’d have been restricted to pennies and if he’s losing fire away mate
I did a day at Soccer Saturday a few years back with Merson, Le Tissier, Charlie Nicholas and Jeff Stelling etc
surely they are as “in the loop” as most in the game but they were talking quite freely about the bets they had put on individually as well as an acca they all contributed to.
I know the onus is completely on the player but surely the bookies shouldn’t be taking the bets if it’s not right for the gambler to be doing them , you know the concerned bookies who are soooo worried about punters welfare etc but let’s be honest if he was winning he’d have been restricted to pennies and if he’s losing fire away mate
The cynic in me suggests he was winning and a losing bookie has flagged his account to the authorities.
@bobmunro how would something like this get noticed? As i'm assuming he isn't stupid enough to have an account in his own name.
I know the onus is completely on the player but surely the bookies shouldn’t be taking the bets if it’s not right for the gambler to be doing them , you know the concerned bookies who are soooo worried about punters welfare etc but let’s be honest if he was winning he’d have been restricted to pennies and if he’s losing fire away mate
The cynic in me suggests he was winning and a losing bookie has flagged his account to the authorities.
@bobmunro how would something like this get noticed? As i'm assuming he isn't stupid enough to have an account in his own name.
I've just opened an account in the name of williezaha11 in the hope of getting a two year ban
I know the onus is completely on the player but surely the bookies shouldn’t be taking the bets if it’s not right for the gambler to be doing them , you know the concerned bookies who are soooo worried about punters welfare etc but let’s be honest if he was winning he’d have been restricted to pennies and if he’s losing fire away mate
The cynic in me suggests he was winning and a losing bookie has flagged his account to the authorities.
@bobmunro how would something like this get noticed? As i'm assuming he isn't stupid enough to have an account in his own name.
We have footballers with accounts - it would be surprising if we didn't bearing in mind the number of accounts we have. But they are set to non-football betting only.
As AA said above, we have systems that can identify patterns should a third party account be used and we report to the authorities our concerns. No bookmaker should knowingly take football bets from footballers - we certainly don't, especially as we own a professional football club!
Gone are the days when players were easily identified in bookies gambling their life away or by their distinctive voice on the phone. Instead the integrity departments at bookmakers recognise who is behind the bets even if the accounts in question aren't in the player's name by way of betting patterns, accounts linked to each other, IP addresses etc etc. The FA can demand phone records and itemised bank statements showing monies being transferred in and out that will link the footballer to the person placing the bets and because of the telephone numbers that some footballers bet in, those transactions do tend to stand out especially when they are so regular in nature.
I very much doubt that Toney was so stupid to bet on games he was involved in but the rules cover any football match or competition, wherever it is played in the world. You cannot bet on any global football market at any level, even on aspects that aren't related to matches for example the next manager of a club. What makes the whole situation so ridiculous is that he is permitted to bet on any other sport without punishment and the fact that the FA have 232 instances of him betting on football suggests that he must have been doing so too. But those other sports weren't enough.
As I mentioned a few days ago on the England squad thread, it might well have cost him a World Cup place but, given these are historic bets, I doubt that Toney thought he would get that close when placing them. He might have been the unlucky one and that others are doing it too. I wouldn't mind betting, though, that some of those will now think twice about carrying on especially if the FA ends up throwing the book at him by way of a lengthy ban.
I've always thought this is quite crazy.
If Toney wanted to bet on a random Moldovan or Latvian game, or even Welling United, it's mad that he isn't allowed.
Football circles are small and Toney as an example has played at a number of levels and will have met/ played with/ against/ been mates with players at all those levels. Some of whom will have dropped down and been playing for/against your example of welling. Others (see Adam Matthews as an example) will go off and play in obscure foreign leagues. Even if its nothing as malicious as match fixing, theoretically a player could catch up with an old mate playing at any level of football and he could mention that they have a load of players out for their match and are gonna struggle....
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63653384
Hopefully, nothing like match fixing?
I very much doubt that Toney was so stupid to bet on games he was involved in but the rules cover any football match or competition, wherever it is played in the world. You cannot bet on any global football market at any level, even on aspects that aren't related to matches for example the next manager of a club. What makes the whole situation so ridiculous is that he is permitted to bet on any other sport without punishment and the fact that the FA have 232 instances of him betting on football suggests that he must have been doing so too. But those other sports weren't enough.
As I mentioned a few days ago on the England squad thread, it might well have cost him a World Cup place but, given these are historic bets, I doubt that Toney thought he would get that close when placing them. He might have been the unlucky one and that others are doing it too. I wouldn't mind betting, though, that some of those will now think twice about carrying on especially if the FA ends up throwing the book at him by way of a lengthy ban.
If Toney wanted to bet on a random Moldovan or Latvian game, or even Welling United, it's mad that he isn't allowed.
surely they are as “in the loop” as most in the game but they were talking quite freely about the bets they had put on individually as well as an acca they all contributed to.
pretty sure others are at it too
@bobmunro how would something like this get noticed? As i'm assuming he isn't stupid enough to have an account in his own name.
The fella in the shades is gonna be gutted when he realises he's dropped his ice cream.