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got the Spice Girls stuck in my head reading this thread title3
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Fans also want to see a plan, and signs of progression, so that even if results aren't great, you can see what the manager is trying to do. At the moment, I've no idea what our game plan is.blackpool72 said:Fan's at every club are pretty much the same.
When the team is successful they are happy.
When the team is largely shite they will have a moan.
As we are heading for our lowest league position in living memory I think it's quite natural for fans to have the hump.
I renewed my season ticket yesterday and still go to plenty of away games so my support for the club is still there.
But if I want to come on here and have a moan I will do just that.
MKD last season only finished 13th, but you could see that as a club they were progressing on the pitch.
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I remember Chrissy telling us on the pitch that we had our Charlton back. He really understood the importance of everything pushing in the same direction and then had the rug pulled from him the next season. Typical Charlton. I get a bit fed up now, in my old age with all the crap we get fed from the club. I still support us and always will but we need to start doing the talking with our actions. I want the club to be run well in every department and I am sure that currently is not the case. I think it likes to tell us how well it is doing things but that is total bollocks if you excuse my French. Sandgaard still has some credit with me, but I'm not sure he is the type that listens and learns but we will see.2
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To be fair, they were developing a style of playing and have got better at it. We cold well do the same next season if Jacko understands what needs addressing within 3-5-2.killerandflash said:
Fans also want to see a plan, and signs of progression, so that even if results aren't great, you can see what the manager is trying to do. At the moment, I've no idea what our game plan is.blackpool72 said:Fan's at every club are pretty much the same.
When the team is successful they are happy.
When the team is largely shite they will have a moan.
As we are heading for our lowest league position in living memory I think it's quite natural for fans to have the hump.
I renewed my season ticket yesterday and still go to plenty of away games so my support for the club is still there.
But if I want to come on here and have a moan I will do just that.
MKD last season only finished 13th, but you could see that as a club they were progressing on the pitch.1 -
As the poet says
"If I hadn't seen such riches I could live with being poor".
We're Charlton, we're nearly 117 years old, we've had good times and bad times and will have more of both in the decades to come.
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I do see where you are coming from in so much as we have been poor for much of the last 13 seasons and TS does take a lot of flack when only a season and a half is down to him. In saying that I think we all thought or at least hoped that when he took over we would be in a better position than we actually are on the pitch. Do I think TS is the long term solution, no I don't certainly not on his own, but we needed somebody like him to steady the ship and he has done that and he is learning but it will take longer than he and the majority of us thought it would take. Next season is massive for us and I think even my patience will wear thin if we don't start improving on the pitch.lancashire lad said:All I seem to hear on here these days is criticism of owner, management and players as if we are not living up to the high standards of a top class team. We are not a top class team in the last 13 years we have been in League One more than in any other league. Palarse are an established Premiership team and Millwall are an established Championship team which leaves us as an aspiring League One team along with a number of other ex "big" teams.
OK we are not playing the best football in the world but we are only one of many clubs in the third tier and the club deserve our support to help it rise to the level of Millwall and maybe one day Palarse - that is the reality2 -
If I could put a small chunk of money on us finishing precisely 13th, I would.
Each of the last two times we’ve been down here, we’ve had a three season stint.
The third season ended in promotion both times. An odd trend is that each time we had a season finishing 13th, as well as a season ending in the top six (missed out on goal difference last season which ruins where I’m going with this a bit!)
4th (Parkinson)
13th (Parkinson, Powell)
promoted… (Powell)
13th (Slade, Robinson)
6th (Robinson, Bowyer)
promoted… (Bowyer)
7th (Bowyer, Adkins)
13th? (Adkins, Jackson…)
promoted?4 -
I don't know whether football has changed or I have, but when we were in the 3rd tier in the late 70's & early 80's there was more action & goals. None of this passing backwards & sideways. The ball might have been hoofed long but a striker or winger would invariably get the ball & do something with it. And we didnt have "stars" or even decent players - we had the likes of Phil Ferns, Hugh Macaulay, Les Berry etc.
I dont expect to be in the Premiership - the Championship is our level. But I do expect to see excitement & goals......or even goal attempts. I expect wingers to run with the ball & put crosses in on the run (like Matthew's last night). I expect to see midfielders shooting from outside the box & strikers attacking crosses inside the 6 yard area.
Not much to ask surely.14 -
I think we will finish top of the bottom half!1
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The time for developing a style of play is surely now?MuttleyCAFC said:
To be fair, they were developing a style of playing and have got better at it. We cold well do the same next season if Jacko understands what needs addressing within 3-5-2.killerandflash said:
Fans also want to see a plan, and signs of progression, so that even if results aren't great, you can see what the manager is trying to do. At the moment, I've no idea what our game plan is.blackpool72 said:Fan's at every club are pretty much the same.
When the team is successful they are happy.
When the team is largely shite they will have a moan.
As we are heading for our lowest league position in living memory I think it's quite natural for fans to have the hump.
I renewed my season ticket yesterday and still go to plenty of away games so my support for the club is still there.
But if I want to come on here and have a moan I will do just that.
MKD last season only finished 13th, but you could see that as a club they were progressing on the pitch.
MKD spend last season developing a style of play, and then in summer brought in the players needed to perfect that style.2 -
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Yes, whch is why Jacko may be sticking with it and making the decisions on who can play it and who can't going forwards. And as you say, then fill in the gaps in the summer.0
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We are a mediocre poorly run L1 side at present and I don't think anything will change without the right staff in charge. Too many people understimate L1.golfaddick said:I don't know whether football has changed or I have, but when we were in the 3rd tier in the late 70's & early 80's there was more action & goals. None of this passing backwards & sideways. The ball might have been hoofed long but a striker or winger would invariably get the ball & do something with it. And we didnt have "stars" or even decent players - we had the likes of Phil Ferns, Hugh Macaulay, Les Berry etc.
I dont expect to be in the Premiership - the Championship is our level. But I do expect to see excitement & goals......or even goal attempts. I expect wingers to run with the ball & put crosses in on the run (like Matthew's last night). I expect to see midfielders shooting from outside the box & strikers attacking crosses inside the 6 yard area.
Not much to ask surely.
There are plenty of 'underperforming' clubs in this division.
It's not always easy to spend wisely in football.
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in those days the pitches were too muddy and devoid of grass to make a proper accurate passgolfaddick said:I don't know whether football has changed or I have, but when we were in the 3rd tier in the late 70's & early 80's there was more action & goals. None of this passing backwards & sideways. The ball might have been hoofed long but a striker or winger would invariably get the ball & do something with it. And we didnt have "stars" or even decent players - we had the likes of Phil Ferns, Hugh Macaulay, Les Berry etc.
I dont expect to be in the Premiership - the Championship is our level. But I do expect to see excitement & goals......or even goal attempts. I expect wingers to run with the ball & put crosses in on the run (like Matthew's last night). I expect to see midfielders shooting from outside the box & strikers attacking crosses inside the 6 yard area.
Not much to ask surely.
.. in the good ol days when there were proper wingers like Kenning and Glover, the only just green areas of most pitches was out wide on the flanks 0 -
In the 70s we had good attacking players but our midfield and defence would be non league today.1
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TBH I think the evidence of the last 15 years tells us that L1 is our level.3
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The game bears no resemblance today to the 70s...MuttleyCAFC said:In the 70s we had good attacking players but our midfield and defence would be non league today.0 -
In my opinion a very underated Deep Purple album and it had the classic Women from Tokyo on it.2
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Oh sit daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!Henry Irving said:As the poet says
"If I hadn't seen such riches I could live with being poor".
We're Charlton, we're nearly 117 years old, we've had good times and bad times and will have more of both in the decades to come.
Up the Addicks
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Don't know what's more irritating?
Dogshit football team.
Footballers masquerading as footballers.
A piss pot league.
Questionable coaching team.
Baffling monotonous tactics.
Even more questionable match officials.
Head the ball owner.
Vampiric continental landlord.
Anti JJ supporters.
JJ apologists.
Stripey twats in the Premiershite.
Spanners in the works.
It used to be all so so simple.
I am exhausted.
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Also the level of gamesmanship is off scale nowadays, particularly in this league.golfaddick said:I don't know whether football has changed or I have, but when we were in the 3rd tier in the late 70's & early 80's there was more action & goals. None of this passing backwards & sideways. The ball might have been hoofed long but a striker or winger would invariably get the ball & do something with it. And we didnt have "stars" or even decent players - we had the likes of Phil Ferns, Hugh Macaulay, Les Berry etc.
I dont expect to be in the Premiership - the Championship is our level. But I do expect to see excitement & goals......or even goal attempts. I expect wingers to run with the ball & put crosses in on the run (like Matthew's last night). I expect to see midfielders shooting from outside the box & strikers attacking crosses inside the 6 yard area.
Not much to ask surely.
Players going down feigning injury, goalkeepers wasting time, multiple (slow) substitutions. All very clever I'm sure, but as a spectacle it ruins it. At the end of the day the paying public want to see a decent game of football, I'm sure it puts people off attending. It does my nut in anyway.4 -
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I think we are at a point where timekeeping should be taken from the ref. It seems to me to be even worse with foreign refs.1
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This for me. I did wonder if I had become too negative, and tried very hard to get behind us when Jackson took over, praising the initial performances, but on the whole, it’s crap and I this site can really help exercising some of the frustration.blackpool72 said:Fan's at every club are pretty much the same.
When the team is successful they are happy.
When the team is largely shite they will have a moan.
As we are heading for our lowest league position in living memory I think it's quite natural for fans to have the hump.
I renewed my season ticket yesterday and still go to plenty of away games so my support for the club is still there.
But if I want to come on here and have a moan I will do just that.
I’m the same as Blackpool. The support is eternal but I’m not even cheering goals at the moment. All of them piss me off too much. I agree with some of the other comments as well regarding how accepting we are as a fan base. I think a lot of the players have a fairly easy ride. I’m not advocating going all out abusive, but a lot of fans were livid at the final whistle up at Accrington a few weeks ago, and the shock on the players faces was disbelief that they got the stick they did. What did they expect?
There are some who give their all, but I think a lot of them just think they can turn up and the job’s done.2 -
Why do the club deserve our support? We’ve travelled the country following them this season & been rewarded with effortless half arsed performances.lancashire lad said:All I seem to hear on here these days is criticism of owner, management and players as if we are not living up to the high standards of a top class team. We are not a top class team in the last 13 years we have been in League One more than in any other league. Palarse are an established Premiership team and Millwall are an established Championship team which leaves us as an aspiring League One team along with a number of other ex "big" teams.
OK we are not playing the best football in the world but we are only one of many clubs in the third tier and the club deserve our support to help it rise to the level of Millwall and maybe one day Palarse - that is the reality
A bottom half finish in league one is embarrassing.1 -
We have bigger losses and fixed costs but we also have more income than most and spend vastly more on our players than most clubs in the division. It’s a completely reasonable expectation that we beat them because across the leagues relative spending on players is the most reliable predictor of success (even though there are exceptions).Cafc43v3r said:The "problem" is two pronged. One of which is true and one of which isn't.
People look at our stadium and the number of people and look at the teams we play and their stadiums and gates. Most of which would actually fit in one of our stands. People think, wrongly, it means we have more money for better players etc etc. Ignoring the fact our overheads, and losses, dwarf 90% of teams at this level.
The valid reason is we have an owner who is rich enough to make this work, to a degree, who has publicly stated his ambition and thrown enough money at it. He has made a pigs ear of it, on the pitch at least.
If we were rescued from ESI by a group of fans who re mortgaged their houses and didn't have a pot to piss in the reaction would be completely different.
The reality is every season we spend in this division the closer to oblivion we become and it wasn't the fans that said we would blow this league out the water.
People are pissed off because the, very expensive, players are shit and the club have over promised and under delivered.2 -
Is it wrong though? We've spent money and even when we didn't (on transfer fees), our budget has consistently been one of the biggest in the division. Our overheads may be bigger, but revenue is greater. Admittedly, some of the spending has had to be raised by sales of players, but that's true of most clubs except the top few. Some goes on the overheads but we're still regularly signing players that many other clubs in the division can only dream of.Cafc43v3r said:The "problem" is two pronged. One of which is true and one of which isn't.
People look at our stadium and the number of people and look at the teams we play and their stadiums and gates. Most of which would actually fit in one of our stands. People think, wrongly, it means we have more money for better players etc etc. Ignoring the fact our overheads, and losses, dwarf 90% of teams at this level.
The valid reason is we have an owner who is rich enough to make this work, to a degree, who has publicly stated his ambition and thrown enough money at it. He has made a pigs ear of it, on the pitch at least.
If we were rescued from ESI by a group of fans who re mortgaged their houses and didn't have a pot to piss in the reaction would be completely different.
The reality is every season we spend in this division the closer to oblivion we become and it wasn't the fans that said we would blow this league out the water.
People are pissed off because the, very expensive, players are shit and the club have over promised and under delivered.1 -
After seeing the quote below come up as a Facebook memory from 7 years ago today, not sure I even qualify to comment as I am so far removed from the club I doubt neither myself nor the present club could say ‘we’ is apt. I have been to the valley twice this season, the most for a number of years.“Just renewed charlton season ticket for the 22nd year out of the last 23. Still went to every home game during the 1 year I didn't renew.Have missed 3 home league games in that time, Fulham for my cousins wedding in Wales, Oldham for a mates wedding and Wigan, a game moved to a Sunday because they were in Europe (never thought I'd type that).”Don’t get me wrong, Charlton is the result I look for followed closely by hoping Millwall lose.
The reality is that this forum is fast becoming the only thing that keeps me vaguely interested.0 -
The point is Accrington break even (or near enough) after paying the wages. We break even (or near enough) before.Airman Brown said:
We have bigger losses and fixed costs but we also have more income than most and spend vastly more on our players than most clubs in the division. It’s a completely reasonable expectation that we beat them because across the leagues relative spending on players is the most reliable predictor of success (even though there are exceptions).Cafc43v3r said:The "problem" is two pronged. One of which is true and one of which isn't.
People look at our stadium and the number of people and look at the teams we play and their stadiums and gates. Most of which would actually fit in one of our stands. People think, wrongly, it means we have more money for better players etc etc. Ignoring the fact our overheads, and losses, dwarf 90% of teams at this level.
The valid reason is we have an owner who is rich enough to make this work, to a degree, who has publicly stated his ambition and thrown enough money at it. He has made a pigs ear of it, on the pitch at least.
If we were rescued from ESI by a group of fans who re mortgaged their houses and didn't have a pot to piss in the reaction would be completely different.
The reality is every season we spend in this division the closer to oblivion we become and it wasn't the fans that said we would blow this league out the water.
People are pissed off because the, very expensive, players are shit and the club have over promised and under delivered.
The first team is, pretty much, run purely at the owner expense so our crowds and "big club" status actually mean we have less "club money" to spend on player wages.
If Accrington, Morecambe etc ran at a 8 figure loss they would have a pretty good team wouldn't they?0 -
It got St Etienne stuck in mine.Rothko said:got the Spice Girls stuck in my head reading this thread title0 -
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There are signs of what Jackson is trying to do. It's not as obvious as it's not an out and out possession game (like MK Dons) or pure long ball game but that doesn't mean there isn't a style.killerandflash said:
The time for developing a style of play is surely now?MuttleyCAFC said:
To be fair, they were developing a style of playing and have got better at it. We cold well do the same next season if Jacko understands what needs addressing within 3-5-2.killerandflash said:
Fans also want to see a plan, and signs of progression, so that even if results aren't great, you can see what the manager is trying to do. At the moment, I've no idea what our game plan is.blackpool72 said:Fan's at every club are pretty much the same.
When the team is successful they are happy.
When the team is largely shite they will have a moan.
As we are heading for our lowest league position in living memory I think it's quite natural for fans to have the hump.
I renewed my season ticket yesterday and still go to plenty of away games so my support for the club is still there.
But if I want to come on here and have a moan I will do just that.
MKD last season only finished 13th, but you could see that as a club they were progressing on the pitch.
MKD spend last season developing a style of play, and then in summer brought in the players needed to perfect that style.
Some of the things I've seen are the wide centre backs supporting the attack, mainly Clare on the right. The CMs ahead of Dobson drifting wide to help offer width. A partnership up front with Stockley the target man and Washington stretching teams by running in behind and into the channels. A more defensive wing back on one side and attacking wing back on the other for balance.
Early on under Jackson we pressed the opposition well, but that requires the right players to be able to do it more consistently - Lee for example played a big part in that, but playing box to box and pressing high up the pitch isn't really his game. He's not got the fitness and physicality to keep it up game after game.
We have a few weaknesses that aren't helping the team progress. We lack any consistent goal threats in midfield and are very reliant on Stockley and Washington for goals - we can't change a game with a goalscorer coming off the bench as we need them both from the start (Aneke would help but we need more goalscorers). Our wing backs have had to adapt to the role. We don't have enough CBs who are comfortable playing out from the back.2
