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Washington: Judge me on goal return under Jacko

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  • Cafc43v3r said:
    When we play teams that try to press high, he is particularly useful as he is somebody who can get behind them. He is IMO less effective against teams that play deeper, but he is worth a place in the squad as he is decent for the level and provides options.
    That's one of the reasons why him and Stockley are probably better than the sum of the parts as a pair.  If you defend too deep to stop Washington running in behind Stockley is winning headers on the edge of the area, or even worse that gray area where "should the keeper come for it? ". 

    You want to play a high line against Stockley and a deeper one against Washington. 
    That point about playing a high line - that is where I think we should be making more of Washington's movement and running.
    Not just from the occasional Stockley flick-ons or hasty hoofed balls from MacGillivray.
    We need better link-up from midfield.
    Maybe Fraser will provide it going forward.
  • edited April 2022
    We already need that alusive key goal scoring forward (small nippy poacher type TM: Golfie), why put ourselves in the position of then needing to replace the 3rd choice when hes already here and keen to stay on. 

    If we let what should be our first choice backup 11 goal forward walk away without a fight, then that'll say more about our summe plans to me personally.

    I doubt we'll find 30 goals in the summer plus the other 5 (minimum) starters that we need, at least not cheaply (plus you know, recruitment is questionable) 
  • Don’t think Gary Lineker’s conversion rate was that good. Scored plenty and missed plenty. 
  • edited April 2022
    People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    When we play teams that try to press high, he is particularly useful as he is somebody who can get behind them. He is IMO less effective against teams that play deeper, but he is worth a place in the squad as he is decent for the level and provides options.
    That's one of the reasons why him and Stockley are probably better than the sum of the parts as a pair.  If you defend too deep to stop Washington running in behind Stockley is winning headers on the edge of the area, or even worse that gray area where "should the keeper come for it? ". 

    You want to play a high line against Stockley and a deeper one against Washington. 

    Agree.
    Washington goal when he chipped the keeper from Mac's quick kick out showed what Conor can do when he gets past the last defender when a team play a high line.

    Earlier in the season and even now Defenders seem to read Washington and block his shots when they are playing deep.
    This is mainly because the opposition analysts know he will always try to get on to his right foot. The exception was the away cup tie at Gateshead when he crossed the ball with his left foot and Stockley buried the header.

    Depending on his wage demands he should be offered a new contract. Unless we bring in better and goal scorer cost money or else we take a chance on a young player in our academy or emulate Peterborough who over  decades found strikers from the lower League to score a hatful of goals in League 1. 
  • edited April 2022
    The consensus is Conor is worthy of being one of the 5 strikers along with Stockley, Aneke( he plays more minutes we score more goals) Kanu if we can ban scouts!) and AN other who is the fast strong 22 or 23 year old who has been a success in the National League and League 2 and is ready to step up to prove he is the next
    Vardy, Holt or Lambert (in your Dreams Sam) 

    One of the 5 to play in a two up front depending on form, fitness and the opposition. High line or 11 men behind t
    he ball ect.  For Conor, better as most of us agree, when there is space to run in behind.

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  • People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
    Again, name 3 players who are willing to come here, and we would be willing to sign, who are a marked improvement over Washington
  • Don’t think Gary Lineker’s conversion rate was that good. Scored plenty and missed plenty. 
    A good striker gets in the right positions -  and often. Not every effort will go in - no striker scores with every shot. When I watched the Hales hat trick game against Hull on ITV4 a couple of months back, I was surprised to see that Killer missed 4 or 5 good chances as well as scoring three.

    Washington’s 1 in 2 strike right is excellent, and the fact that he gets in the right place so often should be applauded. Inevitably, he will miss some of those chances.
  • edited April 2022
    sam3110 said:
    People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
    Again, name 3 players who are willing to come here, and we would be willing to sign, who are a marked improvement over Washington
    With our budget and the size of our club we could sign any player in a League One side if we wanted to put our money where our mouth is. 

    Isn't that what our scouting department is for? 

    Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition. 
  • I like Washington and he is a goal scorer, but compared to Yann and Taylor he does lack that ability to do something special.
  • Absolute no brainer to stay IMHO. A hard worker, in the guise of Johnny Robinson, but of course not at that level. We are mid table league one, other London clubs are miles ahead of us so we have no pulling power for talent. Suspect those who want him out also thought Sean Dyche may come to us now he's free. Dose of realism needed, Washington at this level is a good player.
  • I genuinely do not know what dimension some people are living in if they want rid of Washington. If we can add another good striker to the squad I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of teams in League 1 next year would be envious of having Stockley, Washington, Aneke plus 1 more. 

    Whether we use them in the right way and we have enough quality from midfield and the wings supplying them is another matter entirely. It's a credit to Stockley and Washington they've scored as many as they have this year given the supporting cast behind them.
  • sam3110 said:
    People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
    Again, name 3 players who are willing to come here, and we would be willing to sign, who are a marked improvement over Washington
    With our budget and the size of our club we could sign any player in a League One side if we wanted to put our money where our mouth is. 

    Isn't that what our scouting department is for? 

    Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition. 
    We all think we can, but no club at this level has four of five strikers at the level of Yann and Taylor. You’d never keep them all happy and that’s budget that can be used elsewhere. Very few are saying sign him up as first choice.
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  • edited April 2022
    Scoham said:
    sam3110 said:
    People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
    Again, name 3 players who are willing to come here, and we would be willing to sign, who are a marked improvement over Washington
    With our budget and the size of our club we could sign any player in a League One side if we wanted to put our money where our mouth is. 

    Isn't that what our scouting department is for? 

    Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition. 
    We all think we can, but no club at this level has four of five strikers at the level of Yann and Taylor. You’d never keep them all happy and that’s budget that can be used elsewhere. Very few are saying sign him up as first choice.
    What wages will Washington be demanding? 

    He has been a first choice player, perhaps he wants first-team wages hampering our chances of signing a first-team regular capable of creating and scoring goals. 

    He is also 29, looking for his final payday and couple of years contract you would imagine. 
  • Agree that has to be considered. If he wants an unrealistic increase then we probably will let him go. I can’t see him attracting Championship interest though or the big spenders in this league, would expect them to go for younger longer term signings.
  • sam3110 said:
    People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
    Again, name 3 players who are willing to come here, and we would be willing to sign, who are a marked improvement over Washington
    With our budget and the size of our club we could sign any player in a League One side if we wanted to put our money where our mouth is. 

    Isn't that what our scouting department is for? 

    Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition. 
    Who thinks that?
  • sam3110 said:
    People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
    Again, name 3 players who are willing to come here, and we would be willing to sign, who are a marked improvement over Washington
    With our budget and the size of our club we could sign any player in a League One side if we wanted to put our money where our mouth is. 

    Isn't that what our scouting department is for? 

    Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition. 
    No one has said this though. Certainly there are strikers who would be better as a first choice. There are very few who would be better as back up/substitute options AND willing to sign as such however. 
  • sam3110 said:
    People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
    Again, name 3 players who are willing to come here, and we would be willing to sign, who are a marked improvement over Washington
    With our budget and the size of our club we could sign any player in a League One side if we wanted to put our money where our mouth is. 

    Isn't that what our scouting department is for? 

    Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition. 
    Who thinks that?
    The person repeatedly demanding for players better than Washington we could sign perhaps? 
  • sam3110 said:
    People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
    Again, name 3 players who are willing to come here, and we would be willing to sign, who are a marked improvement over Washington
    With our budget and the size of our club we could sign any player in a League One side if we wanted to put our money where our mouth is. 

    Isn't that what our scouting department is for? 

    Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition. 
    Who thinks that?
    The person repeatedly demanding for players better than Washington we could sign perhaps? 
    Because you can't name any! Give me names of realistic targets that we can sign that mean we no longer require the services of One Conor Washington.

    You claim our budget means we can sign anyone we like in League 1, and I argue that's anything but the truth. TS is running is club on a tight budget. Our "size" means nothing, how are we any bigger than half the clubs in League 1? Because we have a stadium we struggle to even half fill? Because we were in the Premier League 15 years ago? We've been in League 1 for the past decade more than any other league, so pray tell how that makes us bigger and more attractive than Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, Ipswich, Wigan, Portsmouth, hell even someone like Doncaster, not to mention the teams coming down next season like Derby and Barnsley.

    We are a mediocre League 1 club with a modestly big budget and the added weight of pressure from fans thinking we're still some Billy Big Bollocks club at this level, and it's simply not true. 

    Washington isn't the best striker in this league, but he's good enough to be a part of a squad looking to get promoted, and we won't find a better player to be that 3rd/4th choice striker, guaranteed 
  • Washington saying I want a contract extension, I hope he gets one, if played in the right formation 15 goals next season, Stockley 20+ a few decent additions chipping in with another 10 could be a good season. 
  • sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    People settling for mediocrity again. 

    If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted. 

    Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side. 

    Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either. 
    Again, name 3 players who are willing to come here, and we would be willing to sign, who are a marked improvement over Washington
    With our budget and the size of our club we could sign any player in a League One side if we wanted to put our money where our mouth is. 

    Isn't that what our scouting department is for? 

    Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition. 
    Who thinks that?
    The person repeatedly demanding for players better than Washington we could sign perhaps? 
    Because you can't name any! Give me names of realistic targets that we can sign that mean we no longer require the services of One Conor Washington.

    You claim our budget means we can sign anyone we like in League 1, and I argue that's anything but the truth. TS is running is club on a tight budget. Our "size" means nothing, how are we any bigger than half the clubs in League 1? Because we have a stadium we struggle to even half fill? Because we were in the Premier League 15 years ago? We've been in League 1 for the past decade more than any other league, so pray tell how that makes us bigger and more attractive than Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, Ipswich, Wigan, Portsmouth, hell even someone like Doncaster, not to mention the teams coming down next season like Derby and Barnsley.

    We are a mediocre League 1 club with a modestly big budget and the added weight of pressure from fans thinking we're still some Billy Big Bollocks club at this level, and it's simply not true. 

    Washington isn't the best striker in this league, but he's good enough to be a part of a squad looking to get promoted, and we won't find a better player to be that 3rd/4th choice striker, guaranteed 
    Have a look at the sums we spend on players and the wages we pay out. 

    We are in the top 6 for budget this season and will continue to be so for every season beyond this one. 

    We are not on a 'tight' budget at all. We have just made mistakes in the transfer window last season. 
  • Oggy Red said:
    Washington isn't that 'Fox in the Box' style of player ...

    Washy is more a "Dog with a Stick" - hoof an aimless ball upfield and he'll run and chase after it, bring it back to you, and then chase again.

    And again.

    And again.

    And unlike the number nine who throws his arms out wide and moans his arse off that the ball hasn't been played precisely to the inch of space that he was demanding, Conor will do the running all day without complaint.

    In my day we used to call him a "team player". Maybe we should have more of them.
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