None of them. Famewo doesn’t want to stay apparently anyway. That could be completely wrong but a few people I know have shared this with me now.
He probably thinks he’s a Championship level player - I don’t. Anyhow, I think we need better.
The loans next season need to have the impact of the likes of Cullen and Bielik. Anything less than that then we might as well give our younger players a shot.
I’m not as clued up on the talents of our youngsters, so don’t know which ones are potentially ready to step up
As other have said, Famewo is the only one I'd consider, but only if the finances weren't prohibitive. He's still young and will improve, plus knows the system. We're going to need a few CBs if we don't keep Inniss and/or Pearce. Still on the fence for him long term, but I think I'd be ok with a 1-2 year deal. Potentially could be part of a competitive team to push on.
Lee started well but tailed off massively. Leko has regressed. John and Castillo never got a chance, so we'll never know if another season was worth it. Burstow didn't do much after coming back, but I'd rather Kanu was given that chance now.
Disappointing that none of the outside loanees (i.e. ignoring Burstow) have really shone as players we'd want to sign permanently. Maybe Famewo, but he was better last season
Especially when you contrast with last season, where Stockley was signed on a perm, Shinnie could easily have been kept on, while Maatsen and Millar were clearly capable of moving up the ladder
It's strange regarding Famewo when he first arrived he looked championship class but he's gone backwards under our coaching. I'd keep him if no fee was involved but as for the rest of them it's a no
I love the speculation and we are not aware of the budget / other players who may already have agreed to sign for next season.
There are two possibilities amongst the current loanees in my view.
I liked Fanewo when he first joined but feel he has gone backwards. If we continue to use three at the back we need a left footed option there and Pearce now probably lacks the mobility to play on the left of the three. Could we attract a better option? If not and he wants to stay I wouldn't be upset.
Likewise Lee. I could see him as a squad option although not a starter. Would he want to join permanently on that basis?
I will pass on the others. Leko has disappointed me, I thought Castillo looked okay as a conventional left back but we are looking for a Wing Back. John we have never seen and I suspect iwill mean Spurs will not want to lend us any more players and finally I am happier for us to promote Kanu, Gavin or Leaburn as young strikers than Burstow. Let him go now.
I love the speculation and we are not aware of the budget / other players who may already have agreed to sign for next season.
There are two possibilities amongst the current loanees in my view.
I liked Fanewo when he first joined but feel he has gone backwards. If we continue to use three at the back we need a left footed option there and Pearce now probably lacks the mobility to play on the left of the three. Could we attract a better option? If not and he wants to stay I wouldn't be upset.
Likewise Lee. I could see him as a squad option although not a starter. Would he want to join permanently on that basis?
I will pass on the others. Leko has disappointed me, I thought Castillo looked okay as a conventional left back but we are looking for a Wing Back. John we have never seen and I suspect iwill mean Spurs will not want to lend us any more players and finally I am happier for us to promote Kanu, Gavin or Leaburn as young strikers than Burstow. Let him go now.
That's a good point, Richard .... the management has already told us they're trying to get most of the incoming transfer business done early. Maybe there's players already in the bag or under negotiation? Not forgetting of course, most loans arrive late after top clubs name their squads.
I believe the change of system under Jacko has not been beneficial to some players, recruited for a different gameplan.
Look at Lee - a revelation when he arrived, but struggled when the gameplan changed. Poor old Leko ..... looks like he doesn't even know what day of the week it is let alone the role he's supposed to play: he's always been a winger, but now he's expected to defend like a fullback or play centreforward. Played as a winger he's an unpredictable bag of tricks, a thorn in any side - now he looks completely lost.
Famewo was fantastic last season alongside Ryan Inniss as a conventional CB, before injury struck long term; and 2 changes of manager later, he's expected to play some sort of quasi LB role. Should we keep him? I dunno if we should in our current formation - but he'd still for me be a no brainer to keep in a traditional back 4.
But no team plays back 4 anymore, I hear people cry. Maybe they're right. But there's a whole raft of players in League One who struggle to play any other way!
Don't forget we lent a lad to Blackpool: he made so much impact with us I can't even remember his name! Another misfit in Jacko's system. Is he coming back though?
Burstow has to run along to Chelsea and get loaned out somewhere else. Castillo, I don't believe Jacko is impressed or he would be at least on the bench. Nile John? More like "Where's Wally". Agree with you, one very pissed off Tottenham Hotspur. Won't see any of their youngsters again in the near future.
It's strange regarding Famewo when he first arrived he looked championship class but he's gone backwards under our coaching. I'd keep him if no fee was involved but as for the rest of them it's a no
Possibly Akin Famewo but not for a large fee or wage. Personally, I don't think he will want to stay in any case. None of the others. I had high expectations for Lee, but he has not lived up to them. I had very low expectations for Leko and he has lived up to them!
It's strange regarding Famewo when he first arrived he looked championship class but he's gone backwards under our coaching. I'd keep him if no fee was involved but as for the rest of them it's a no
Can't help but think there's a decent player Trapped in Lee somewhere. It would need some decent coaching to bring him out. But on the whole, I'd pass on all of them
Just because our loans this season seem to have epically failed, we must put into context that, apart from the youngsters Castillo and John, they were recruited for a very different system/gameplan.
Normally a player is a winger, for example .... because that's the way he's been developed as a youngster and subsequently coached in his professional career. That's his best position, his specialist position. It's why he's a professional.
It's a big ask to expect Leko, for example, to play anything like his own specialist position. If he's asked to play elsewhere, it's doubtful he's going to excel doing something he's not that familiar with.
It's not only the loans that have struggled this season, contracted players too ..... Gilbey is a prime example.
I’d rather we played our own players. While having Cullen and Bielik clearly helped us, as we saw with Gallagher, if your best player is a loanee there’s a risk the season gets derailed if the player is recalled.
We should be aiming to get our talented young guns into the match day squad- young Deji and Kanu for starters.
Like a minority of others I'd keep Lee, I guess he'd be available on a free, he can play, as was shown when he first arrived, but fleetingly since. Framewo is a yes from me as well, sometimes being 'part of the club' and not a loanee can make a difference.
Can't help but think there's a decent player Trapped in Lee somewhere. It would need some decent coaching to bring him out.
Lee was brought up through the renowned West Ham academy.
He must have been highly rated and as a teenager, part of their 1st team squad, actually making a couple of sub appearances in the Prem ...... before his first start, in a Europa League game, scoring the winning goal.
How many of our current squad has scored in European competition?
But he does lack a little pace to play top level football, so he wasn't going to make the grade for West Ham and at 21, was sold to Barnsley. A year later he joined Luton and proved to be a key player in 2 successive promotions.
Lee has good pedigree .... but has he been another good player here at the wrong time?
I'll play the old record one more time ...... we shouldn't be signing squad players. We need to sign 1st team players. The squad will then sort itself on merit.
Decent loan signings are out there and we've had a few very good ones - the likes of Cullen, Bielik, Gallagher and Dasilva to name four. We should have a decent handle on the ones at PL London clubs and those four all came from there but the ones we've been sent recently seem to have been part of some sort of bizarre agreement just to get them off their host club's books - Castillo and John have made two appearances between them - presumably because they have too many of that ilk and ability.
Castillo is the one that made most sense, on the face of it, when we first signed him. We didn't really have a natural left wing back. Out of contract in the summer, good age, pedigree etc etc.
Then the real reason we signed him came up.......
What was that ? I missed that then.
As part of the Aneke signing.
Castillo was on loan at Brum; they wanted to cut short the loan. Chelsea wouldn't let them, so we took him instead when we signed Chuks.
Well, that's the gossip. Is it true? Dunno. You'll have to draw your own conclusions.
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Lee started well but tailed off massively. Leko has regressed. John and Castillo never got a chance, so we'll never know if another season was worth it. Burstow didn't do much after coming back, but I'd rather Kanu was given that chance now.
Especially when you contrast with last season, where Stockley was signed on a perm, Shinnie could easily have been kept on, while Maatsen and Millar were clearly capable of moving up the ladder
I'd keep him if no fee was involved but as for the rest of them it's a no
There are two possibilities amongst the current loanees in my view.
I liked Fanewo when he first joined but feel he has gone backwards. If we continue to use three at the back we need a left footed option there and Pearce now probably lacks the mobility to play on the left of the three. Could we attract a better option? If not and he wants to stay I wouldn't be upset.
Likewise Lee. I could see him as a squad option although not a starter. Would he want to join permanently on that basis?
I will pass on the others. Leko has disappointed me, I thought Castillo looked okay as a conventional left back but we are looking for a Wing Back. John we have never seen and I suspect iwill mean Spurs will not want to lend us any more players and finally I am happier for us to promote Kanu, Gavin or Leaburn as young strikers than Burstow. Let him go now.
Maybe there's players already in the bag or under negotiation? Not forgetting of course, most loans arrive late after top clubs name their squads.
I believe the change of system under Jacko has not been beneficial to some players, recruited for a different gameplan.
Look at Lee - a revelation when he arrived, but struggled when the gameplan changed.
Poor old Leko ..... looks like he doesn't even know what day of the week it is let alone the role he's supposed to play: he's always been a winger, but now he's expected to defend like a fullback or play centreforward. Played as a winger he's an unpredictable bag of tricks, a thorn in any side - now he looks completely lost.
Famewo was fantastic last season alongside Ryan Inniss as a conventional CB, before injury struck long term; and 2 changes of manager later, he's expected to play some sort of quasi LB role. Should we keep him? I dunno if we should in our current formation - but he'd still for me be a no brainer to keep in a traditional back 4.
But no team plays back 4 anymore, I hear people cry. Maybe they're right. But there's a whole raft of players in League One who struggle to play any other way!
Don't forget we lent a lad to Blackpool: he made so much impact with us I can't even remember his name! Another misfit in Jacko's system.
Is he coming back though?
Burstow has to run along to Chelsea and get loaned out somewhere else. Castillo, I don't believe Jacko is impressed or he would be at least on the bench.
Nile John? More like "Where's Wally". Agree with you, one very pissed off Tottenham Hotspur. Won't see any of their youngsters again in the near future.
But on the whole, I'd pass on all of them
Normally a player is a winger, for example .... because that's the way he's been developed as a youngster and subsequently coached in his professional career. That's his best position, his specialist position. It's why he's a professional.
It's a big ask to expect Leko, for example, to play anything like his own specialist position.
If he's asked to play elsewhere, it's doubtful he's going to excel doing something he's not that familiar with.
It's not only the loans that have struggled this season, contracted players too ..... Gilbey is a prime example.
We should be aiming to get our talented young guns into the match day squad- young Deji and Kanu for starters.
He must have been highly rated and as a teenager, part of their 1st team squad, actually making a couple of sub appearances in the Prem ...... before his first start, in a Europa League game, scoring the winning goal.
How many of our current squad has scored in European competition?
But he does lack a little pace to play top level football, so he wasn't going to make the grade for West Ham and at 21, was sold to Barnsley.
A year later he joined Luton and proved to be a key player in 2 successive promotions.
Lee has good pedigree .... but has he been another good player here at the wrong time?
The squad will then sort itself on merit.
In theory!
Reckon he was quality for his first few games and also think he has put some effort in.
If there is going to be a big enough shake-up and marginally better players brought in, got a feeling he'll be one of those who'd respond.
Castillo was on loan at Brum; they wanted to cut short the loan.
Chelsea wouldn't let them, so we took him instead when we signed Chuks.
Well, that's the gossip. Is it true? Dunno. You'll have to draw your own conclusions.