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  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,416
    Bloody EFL.  Don't they know flares will be back next year?
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,765
    Henry Irving said:
    Broadly speaking good news but not in favour of automatic bans.

    It takes away any discretion from clubs and takes no account of the circumstances.


    A permanent criminal record seems OTT as well
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,080
    I think making the potential punishment pretty severe is the right deterrent. Too many people thinking it's a laugh to act like pricks so their mates can film it. I doubt someone going on the pitch will actually get a permanent criminal record.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,334
    Croydon said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Broadly speaking good news but not in favour of automatic bans.

    It takes away any discretion from clubs and takes no account of the circumstances.


    A permanent criminal record seems OTT as well
    And that is nothing to do with clubs or the EFL anyway.

    Only courts can convict people of criminal offences and they are only permanent for very serious offences.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,334
    AllHailTheHen said:
    I think making the potential punishment pretty severe is the right deterrent. Too many people thinking it's a laugh to act like pricks so their mates can film it. I doubt someone going on the pitch will actually get a permanent criminal record.
    But will get an automatic ban from the ground regardless of the circumstances ie celebrating promotion, protesting against bad owners or a child asking for a shirt.

    I'm not saying there shouldn't be bans in SOME circumstances but not automatic.

    And how long is an automatic ban? One game? One season? For life?

    Flares/smoke bombs are stupid and bans are, in nearly all circumstances, justified IMHO. 

    PS DFTT
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,424
    edited July 2022
    Henry Irving said:
    AllHailTheHen said:
    I think making the potential punishment pretty severe is the right deterrent. Too many people thinking it's a laugh to act like pricks so their mates can film it. I doubt someone going on the pitch will actually get a permanent criminal record.
    But will get an automatic ban from the ground regardless of the circumstances ie celebrating promotion, protesting against bad owners or a child asking for a shirt.
    I'm sure some might think I'm a boring old git but I think everyone can just celebrate promotion from the stands. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,334
    Chunes said:
    Henry Irving said:
    AllHailTheHen said:
    I think making the potential punishment pretty severe is the right deterrent. Too many people thinking it's a laugh to act like pricks so their mates can film it. I doubt someone going on the pitch will actually get a permanent criminal record.
    But will get an automatic ban from the ground regardless of the circumstances ie celebrating promotion, protesting against bad owners or a child asking for a shirt.
    I'm sure some might think I'm a boring old git but I think everyone can just celebrate promotion from the stands. 
    Yes, they can I agree but should those who don't be banned or taken to court?
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,080
    Henry Irving said:
    Chunes said:
    Henry Irving said:
    AllHailTheHen said:
    I think making the potential punishment pretty severe is the right deterrent. Too many people thinking it's a laugh to act like pricks so their mates can film it. I doubt someone going on the pitch will actually get a permanent criminal record.
    But will get an automatic ban from the ground regardless of the circumstances ie celebrating promotion, protesting against bad owners or a child asking for a shirt.
    I'm sure some might think I'm a boring old git but I think everyone can just celebrate promotion from the stands. 
    Yes, they can I agree but should those who don't be banned or taken to court?
    The problem is that pitch invasions to celebrate promotion/avoidance of relegation last season saw several instances of players/managers being physically or verbally attacked. That cannot be acceptable. Its like anything, the idiotic minority will often spoil it for the majority and the EFL need to be seen as taking a hard line on it.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,852
    What about crowd trouble and you see those not wanting to get involved jump the advertising board to get away. Automatic ban? 

    Or people at a club who they feel the owners are ruining going on the pitch to protest. Will they get a criminal record? Same for those  celebrating with the players after a promotion wining victory? 

    What about the European teams fans who come over and set numerous flares off. Prison sentence for them as well? 

  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,334
    AllHailTheHen said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Chunes said:
    Henry Irving said:
    AllHailTheHen said:
    I think making the potential punishment pretty severe is the right deterrent. Too many people thinking it's a laugh to act like pricks so their mates can film it. I doubt someone going on the pitch will actually get a permanent criminal record.
    But will get an automatic ban from the ground regardless of the circumstances ie celebrating promotion, protesting against bad owners or a child asking for a shirt.
    I'm sure some might think I'm a boring old git but I think everyone can just celebrate promotion from the stands. 
    Yes, they can I agree but should those who don't be banned or taken to court?
    The problem is that pitch invasions to celebrate promotion/avoidance of relegation last season saw several instances of players/managers being physically or verbally attacked. That cannot be acceptable. Its like anything, the idiotic minority will often spoil it for the majority and the EFL need to be seen as taking a hard line on it.
    Totally unacceptable but those that didn't attack anyone get banned and/or taken to court?

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,048
    Karim_myBagheri said:
    What about crowd trouble and you see those not wanting to get involved jump the advertising board to get away. Automatic ban? 

    Or people at a club who they feel the owners are ruining going on the pitch to protest. Will they get a criminal record? Same for those  celebrating with the players after a promotion wining victory? 

    What about the European teams fans who come over and set numerous flares off. Prison sentence for them as well? 

    Which is spoilt by those coming on to taunt the opposition players and fans, as seen in the playoffs where (unlike say our promotions at Carlisle) as the game means the same for BOTH teams and fans, celebrating can quickly turn to gloating at the opposition.
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,080
    Henry Irving said:
    AllHailTheHen said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Chunes said:
    Henry Irving said:
    AllHailTheHen said:
    I think making the potential punishment pretty severe is the right deterrent. Too many people thinking it's a laugh to act like pricks so their mates can film it. I doubt someone going on the pitch will actually get a permanent criminal record.
    But will get an automatic ban from the ground regardless of the circumstances ie celebrating promotion, protesting against bad owners or a child asking for a shirt.
    I'm sure some might think I'm a boring old git but I think everyone can just celebrate promotion from the stands. 
    Yes, they can I agree but should those who don't be banned or taken to court?
    The problem is that pitch invasions to celebrate promotion/avoidance of relegation last season saw several instances of players/managers being physically or verbally attacked. That cannot be acceptable. Its like anything, the idiotic minority will often spoil it for the majority and the EFL need to be seen as taking a hard line on it.
    Totally unacceptable but those that didn't attack anyone get banned and/or taken to court?
    No they shouldn't because 99.9% of people that do it are there to celebrate and enjoy the moment but that 0.1% that aren't could have serious ramifications for their football club. If it's not fair on the 99.9% that pitch invasions arent allowed blame the tossers who run on to headbutt players.

    I very much doubt it will be as black and white as the statement suggests but the EFL have no doubt been asked what they are going to do about the dickhead behaviour being seen at lots of football matches and have responded with, on paper anyway, a pretty strong deterrent.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    edited July 2022
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when they get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,852
    AllHailTheHen said:
    Henry Irving said:
    AllHailTheHen said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Chunes said:
    Henry Irving said:
    AllHailTheHen said:
    I think making the potential punishment pretty severe is the right deterrent. Too many people thinking it's a laugh to act like pricks so their mates can film it. I doubt someone going on the pitch will actually get a permanent criminal record.
    But will get an automatic ban from the ground regardless of the circumstances ie celebrating promotion, protesting against bad owners or a child asking for a shirt.
    I'm sure some might think I'm a boring old git but I think everyone can just celebrate promotion from the stands. 
    Yes, they can I agree but should those who don't be banned or taken to court?
    The problem is that pitch invasions to celebrate promotion/avoidance of relegation last season saw several instances of players/managers being physically or verbally attacked. That cannot be acceptable. Its like anything, the idiotic minority will often spoil it for the majority and the EFL need to be seen as taking a hard line on it.
    Totally unacceptable but those that didn't attack anyone get banned and/or taken to court?
    No they shouldn't because 99.9% of people that do it are there to celebrate and enjoy the moment but that 0.1% that aren't could have serious ramifications for their football club. If it's not fair on the 99.9% that pitch invasions arent allowed blame the tossers who run on to headbutt players.

    I very much doubt it will be as black and white as the statement suggests but the EFL have no doubt been asked what they are going to do about the dickhead behaviour being seen at lots of football matches and have responded with, on paper anyway, a pretty strong deterrent.
    Yeah true the efl like to look like they're doing something when in actual fact they don't/won't do a thing. So my stocks of flares won't go to waste after all. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,424
    edited July 2022
    Henry Irving said:
    Chunes said:
    Henry Irving said:
    AllHailTheHen said:
    I think making the potential punishment pretty severe is the right deterrent. Too many people thinking it's a laugh to act like pricks so their mates can film it. I doubt someone going on the pitch will actually get a permanent criminal record.
    But will get an automatic ban from the ground regardless of the circumstances ie celebrating promotion, protesting against bad owners or a child asking for a shirt.
    I'm sure some might think I'm a boring old git but I think everyone can just celebrate promotion from the stands. 
    Yes, they can I agree but should those who don't be banned or taken to court?
    I agree it's not ideal but they have to do something to stop it happening. You could say it's best left to the club's discretion and for them to judge each situation independently, but it currently IS left to the club's discretion, and they are in an impossible situation given they're not going to ban their own fans for 'celebrating' (or anything less than the most extreme and severe cases), else the fans are going to turn on the club.

    It seems a simple solution that the authorities draw a clear line between the crowd and the pitch and say if you cross it, you get banned.

    Do you see another way?
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,852
    Think they should add lifetime bans for people using phone lights in the ground as well.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,519
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,048
    edited July 2022
    Karim_myBagheri said:
    Think they should add lifetime bans for people using phone lights in the ground as well.
    And spectators who, in the middle of an incredibly tense match or even one where the game is going terribly, suddenly start bouncing around and waving for the cameras because they see themselves on the big screens  ;)
  • Ducktapeshoerepairs
    Ducktapeshoerepairs Posts: 988
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?

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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,135
    For isolated incidents they'll ban people but for mass pitch invasions they'll never enforce it.

    If 5k people are on the pitch to celebrate promotion/staying up/getting to Wembley in a play off semi, there's no way clubs will automatically ban them all.
  • ROTW
    ROTW Posts: 642
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?
    But as mentioned, never seen flares being struck.
    May wish to get off your high horse on this one.
    Haven’t there been a few issues at Charlton regarding these?
    Yet to hear of similar at Millwall.
    Dont get me wrong, they are no saints, but people in glass houses…

  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?
    Not sure you read what I typed. I said we encroach no more than anyone else. I never went in to reasons for the proportionate to other clubs fans encroachments.

    Introduce the rule and then nobody has a reason to be on the pitch at any ground.

    I'm not sure what you're trying to highlight?!
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,142
    ROTW said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?
    But as mentioned, never seen flares being struck.
    May wish to get off your high horse on this one.
    Haven’t there been a few issues at Charlton regarding these?
    Yet to hear of similar at Millwall.
    Dont get me wrong, they are no saints, but people in glass houses…

    ...shouldn't throw flares?
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,976
    edited July 2022
    ROTW said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?
    But as mentioned, never seen flares being struck.
    May wish to get off your high horse on this one.
    Haven’t there been a few issues at Charlton regarding these?
    Yet to hear of similar at Millwall.
    Dont get me wrong, they are no saints, but people in glass houses…


  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    cafc999 said:
    ROTW said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?
    But as mentioned, never seen flares being struck.
    May wish to get off your high horse on this one.
    Haven’t there been a few issues at Charlton regarding these?
    Yet to hear of similar at Millwall.
    Dont get me wrong, they are no saints, but people in glass houses…


    Oi, that was against you. He picked up the flare that was thrown from your end :)
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,976
    Big_Bad_World said:
    cafc999 said:
    ROTW said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?
    But as mentioned, never seen flares being struck.
    May wish to get off your high horse on this one.
    Haven’t there been a few issues at Charlton regarding these?
    Yet to hear of similar at Millwall.
    Dont get me wrong, they are no saints, but people in glass houses…


    Oi, that was against you. He picked up the flare that was thrown from your end :)
    Never let the truth get in the wsy
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,098
    cafc999 said:
    ROTW said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?
    But as mentioned, never seen flares being struck.
    May wish to get off your high horse on this one.
    Haven’t there been a few issues at Charlton regarding these?
    Yet to hear of similar at Millwall.
    Dont get me wrong, they are no saints, but people in glass houses…


    He's smoking a fat one.
  • Ducktapeshoerepairs
    Ducktapeshoerepairs Posts: 988
    edited July 2022
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?
    Not sure you read what I typed. I said we encroach no more than anyone else. I never went in to reasons for the proportionate to other clubs fans encroachments.

    Introduce the rule and then nobody has a reason to be on the pitch at any ground.

    I'm not sure what you're trying to highlight?!
    Charlton have never invaded the pitch for no reason and no one goes on at Wembley - so no you are not like every other club 
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,826
    Stig said:
    ROTW said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Definitely the correct decision. Implement the rules, make everyone aware of them and then there's absolutely no excuse or justification for anyone to get all swivel-eyed when thet get banned for something that they knew was wrong and against the rules.

    All very straightforward stuff in reality.
    Which would lead to an almost immediate 50% reduction in attendances at The Tool Box.
    In which case I’m all for it.

    We don't throw flares (as it's proper muggy Palace-esque behaviour) and encroach no more than any other set of supporters, so I think you're wide of the mark  ;)
    Millwall pitch invaded at the end of the season for no apparent reason !?
    But as mentioned, never seen flares being struck.
    May wish to get off your high horse on this one.
    Haven’t there been a few issues at Charlton regarding these?
    Yet to hear of similar at Millwall.
    Dont get me wrong, they are no saints, but people in glass houses…

    ...shouldn't throw flares?

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