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The statement makes it clear that better searches are needed when entering the ground.
Preventing flares getting into the ground will get rid of the problem.0 -
Never going to happen, searching thousands of people would be impossible and the delays would be huge. Plus people have rights now, would need male and female officers/stewards to do the searching.Crusty54 said:The statement makes it clear that better searches are needed when entering the ground.
Preventing flares getting into the ground will get rid of the problem.0 -
They could use sniffer dogs.eaststandmike said:
Never going to happen, searching thousands of people would be impossible and the delays would be huge. Plus people have rights now, would need male and female officers/stewards to do the searching.Crusty54 said:The statement makes it clear that better searches are needed when entering the ground.
Preventing flares getting into the ground will get rid of the problem.0 -
They could but if I am correct the club pay for policing don't they, how much will a police officer and a sniffer dog at each turnstile cost?guinnessaddick said:
They could use sniffer dogs.eaststandmike said:
Never going to happen, searching thousands of people would be impossible and the delays would be huge. Plus people have rights now, would need male and female officers/stewards to do the searching.Crusty54 said:The statement makes it clear that better searches are needed when entering the ground.
Preventing flares getting into the ground will get rid of the problem.0 -
For the sake of clarity, this is not entirely true. Since 2006 all criminal records remain on the police database until an individual is 100 years old. So, that's about as permanent as you can get for 99.7% of males! Around one third of male residents of the UK have a criminal record.Henry Irving said:
And that is nothing to do with clubs or the EFL anyway.Croydon said:
A permanent criminal record seems OTT as wellHenry Irving said:Broadly speaking good news but not in favour of automatic bans.
It takes away any discretion from clubs and takes no account of the circumstances.
Only courts can convict people of criminal offences and they are only permanent for very serious offences.
I suspect the concept of a criminal record not being "permanent" is being conflated with the concept of a "spent" conviction, which is entirely different. In any event, some employers are entitled to access to spent convictions from the DBS. (I also had to undergo an enhanced security check - what used to be known as positive vetting - for my job and was interviewed by a spook.)0 -
You are correct, I was referring to "spent" convictions but without using the correct term.
I have an enhanced DBS but never been interviewed by a spook.
Shame asked I would have asked for a job.1 -
Hmmm.eaststandmike said:
They could but if I am correct the club pay for policing don't they, how much will a police officer and a sniffer dog at each turnstile cost?guinnessaddick said:
They could use sniffer dogs.eaststandmike said:
Never going to happen, searching thousands of people would be impossible and the delays would be huge. Plus people have rights now, would need male and female officers/stewards to do the searching.Crusty54 said:The statement makes it clear that better searches are needed when entering the ground.
Preventing flares getting into the ground will get rid of the problem.
No need to spend any extra money.
I can think of someone who's often seen sniffing around the turnstiles already .....0 -
Whilst I’ve always disliked fans running on the pitch during or after the game, if smoke/pyro is not thrown on the pitch I haven’t got a problem with it , adds to the atmosphere. I’ll just have to go abroad to get my pyro fix.
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I thought that was Palace for a brief moment.AveryAddick said:Whilst I’ve always disliked fans running on the pitch during or after the game, if smoke/pyro is not thrown on the pitch I haven’t got a problem with it , adds to the atmosphere. I’ll just have to go abroad to get my pyro fix.1 -
Any one notice the Charlton fan who went on the pitch today to celebrate Leaburn's goal?
No idea who he is and he shouldn't have been on the pitch but should he now get a ban, be prosecuted and get a criminal record?
Or should clubs have some discretion over what action to take?1 - Sponsored links:
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I know the fan that run on, he’s a good lad.Don’t need a ban but that is the law if caught a football banning order takes place but that’s if he’s had details taken etc was all good natured so I don’t see the issue0
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Rangers game earlier smokes looked good but did stop play for a few moments.0
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He should be put up against a wall and shot0
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A ban, yes. Not a life ban though, and having a criminal record would be too harsh also.Henry Irving said:Any one notice the Charlton fan who went on the pitch today to celebrate Leaburn's goal?
No idea who he is and he shouldn't have been on the pitch but should he now get a ban, be prosecuted and get a criminal record?
Or should clubs have some discretion over what action to take?
There's got to be some deterrent.0 -
I would accept flares/smoke bombs more if the people lighting them actually kept them next to them instead of throwing it elsewhere in the crowd, which is incredibly dangerous and cowardly.AveryAddick said:Whilst I’ve always disliked fans running on the pitch during or after the game, if smoke/pyro is not thrown on the pitch I haven’t got a problem with it , adds to the atmosphere. I’ll just have to go abroad to get my pyro fix.0 -
Was he on the pitch? I thought (from the TV coverage) he was inbetween the stand and the pitch and having a lovely time!Henry Irving said:Any one notice the Charlton fan who went on the pitch today to celebrate Leaburn's goal?
No idea who he is and he shouldn't have been on the pitch but should he now get a ban, be prosecuted and get a criminal record?
Or should clubs have some discretion over what action to take?
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https://twitter.com/cafclad/status/1553409864608653312?s=21&t=yyG3yJ0xJc3jVbhwnWyeTAse9addick said:
Was he on the pitch? I thought (from the TV coverage) he was inbetween the stand and the pitch and having a lovely time!Henry Irving said:Any one notice the Charlton fan who went on the pitch today to celebrate Leaburn's goal?
No idea who he is and he shouldn't have been on the pitch but should he now get a ban, be prosecuted and get a criminal record?
Or should clubs have some discretion over what action to take?
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In terms of the scale of "crime", running on to the pitch to celebrate a goal with your players is wrong, but clearly far less serious than when fans start getting involved with opposition players, which happened far too much during the playoffs.shirty5 said:
https://twitter.com/cafclad/status/1553409864608653312?s=21&t=yyG3yJ0xJc3jVbhwnWyeTAse9addick said:
Was he on the pitch? I thought (from the TV coverage) he was inbetween the stand and the pitch and having a lovely time!Henry Irving said:Any one notice the Charlton fan who went on the pitch today to celebrate Leaburn's goal?
No idea who he is and he shouldn't have been on the pitch but should he now get a ban, be prosecuted and get a criminal record?
Or should clubs have some discretion over what action to take?1 -
Ah right, but he can invoke the ancient easement of “Leaburn debut goal” which grants any Addick right of way across any football pitch in the land.shirty5 said:
https://twitter.com/cafclad/status/1553409864608653312?s=21&t=yyG3yJ0xJc3jVbhwnWyeTAse9addick said:
Was he on the pitch? I thought (from the TV coverage) he was inbetween the stand and the pitch and having a lovely time!Henry Irving said:Any one notice the Charlton fan who went on the pitch today to celebrate Leaburn's goal?
No idea who he is and he shouldn't have been on the pitch but should he now get a ban, be prosecuted and get a criminal record?
Or should clubs have some discretion over what action to take?2 -
No one attempted that at St James’ Parkse9addick said:
Ah right, but he can invoke the ancient easement of “Leaburn debut goal” which grants any Addick right of way across any football pitch in the land.shirty5 said:
https://twitter.com/cafclad/status/1553409864608653312?s=21&t=yyG3yJ0xJc3jVbhwnWyeTAse9addick said:
Was he on the pitch? I thought (from the TV coverage) he was inbetween the stand and the pitch and having a lovely time!Henry Irving said:Any one notice the Charlton fan who went on the pitch today to celebrate Leaburn's goal?
No idea who he is and he shouldn't have been on the pitch but should he now get a ban, be prosecuted and get a criminal record?
Or should clubs have some discretion over what action to take?0 - Sponsored links:
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Opportunity missed.oohaahmortimer said:
No one attempted that at St James’ Parkse9addick said:
Ah right, but he can invoke the ancient easement of “Leaburn debut goal” which grants any Addick right of way across any football pitch in the land.shirty5 said:
https://twitter.com/cafclad/status/1553409864608653312?s=21&t=yyG3yJ0xJc3jVbhwnWyeTAse9addick said:
Was he on the pitch? I thought (from the TV coverage) he was inbetween the stand and the pitch and having a lovely time!Henry Irving said:Any one notice the Charlton fan who went on the pitch today to celebrate Leaburn's goal?
No idea who he is and he shouldn't have been on the pitch but should he now get a ban, be prosecuted and get a criminal record?
Or should clubs have some discretion over what action to take?1 -
Nobody ran into the pitch for our 4 1998 goals or our 2 2018 goals, yet somehow we managed as fans to go mental and celebrate the moment.0
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We'll all just go on the pitch then 👍palarsehater said:I know the fan that run on, he’s a good lad.Don’t need a ban but that is the law if caught a football banning order takes place but that’s if he’s had details taken etc was all good natured so I don’t see the issue0 -
The club are working with Accrington Stanley to positively identify an individual in the away end who threw a pyrotechnic onto the pitch area during Saturday’s 2-2 draw.
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/club-statement-accrington-stanley
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3 year ban and a possible fine for a cuddle with the players on the playing surface.
Would have been cheaper to buy a player sponsorship and have a hug after the lunch1 -
Indeed, it’s almost like they’re a bit of a twat.shirty5 said:3 year ban and a possible fine for a cuddle with the players on the playing surface.
Would have been cheaper to buy a player sponsorship and have a hug after the lunch0 -
The incident where a fan ended up taking out Beliek was lucky not to injure him.2
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What about when it was for “Roland out” suppose that was finePopIcon said:
We'll all just go on the pitch then 👍palarsehater said:I know the fan that run on, he’s a good lad.Don’t need a ban but that is the law if caught a football banning order takes place but that’s if he’s had details taken etc was all good natured so I don’t see the issue0 -
That was also against the law.palarsehater said:
What about when it was for “Roland out” suppose that was finePopIcon said:
We'll all just go on the pitch then 👍palarsehater said:I know the fan that run on, he’s a good lad.Don’t need a ban but that is the law if caught a football banning order takes place but that’s if he’s had details taken etc was all good natured so I don’t see the issue
The play offs last season were a car crash for the EFL in terms of crowd behaviour, they felt had to take steps to stop the pitch invasions, they not the club have decided from this season there would be zero tolerance and if you do go on they will get the law enforced.
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