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Regardless what you think,. Sue is apparently close to Jackson. She was adamant that Jackson had NO say on any transfers.
If true that should set alarm bells ringing if nothing else. And it confirms what I've heard/read elsewhere.
From the moment he hoisted Schwartz into the squad I had my doubts. He's hell bent on picking his own players and playing his own way and will listen to nobody imo.
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Isn't her decision not to renew a form of protest against TS, just as many did against RD?LargeAddick said:Very one sided. Not exactly representative to invite someone on who is apparently so close to JJ. Shame Sue won’t renew her season ticket, obviously supports JJ more than she supports the team.1 -
Funny that when people say Adkins had no say in transfer people react differently......carly burn said:Regardless why you think,. Sue is apparently close to Jackson. She was adamant that Jackson had NO say on any transfers.
If true that should set alarm bells ringing if nothing else. And it confirms what I've heard/read elsewhere.
From the moment he hoisted Schwartz into the squad I had my doubts. He's hell bent on picking his own players and playing his own way and will listen to nobody imo.
We could well be f***d.............again!1 -
I know you’re paraphrasing but personally I think that’s a load of codswallop. A totally unbalanced view from Morts. I don’t think Sandgaard is any different to the vast majority of Charlton supporters who go and watch the team every Saturday, week in, week out. He sees what we see. We see that 352 doesn’t work. We see that our players don’t press enough, aren’t fit enough, get outplayed, out thought by so-called inferior clubs and their managers. We see that Jackson has been blind to changing formations and tactics. He’s (Sandgaard) not a master tactician. He just sees it the way I see it and my mates Vic, Jason, Keith and John see it. We’ve been absolute shit this last season and it’s been down to Jackson. Glad he’s gone. roseandcrown said:He wants high pressing? So, now the chairman is a coach who understands tactics....I don't know why he's talking about tactics. It worries me...He's employing his son who has no football background" - Paul Mortimer on @BBCLondonSport #cafc
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The reason I point it out is i remember a period of time where it was discussed on here during the early ish days of RD where it was mentioned that a lot of people in the stands that were perhaps not represented on the forums were very patient of him and perhaps didn't share CL's robust (and ultimately correct) view - there is a certain irony there that things (purely off the basis of pieces such as this) appears to have switched?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Those i know who are not on CL have not had confidence in Sandgaard for a while and I would say this forum is a very pro Sandgaard bubble in the main.Manic_mania said:I do wonder if sometimes we are in a CL bubble a lot of the time in regards to the wider fanbase (I don't look at other forums or have any major interaction with the hoy paloy so to speak that may not frequent them) off the back of this piece I feel like my view is marginalised in that sense now, despite feeling that my views have validity.
He's talked a lot and pulled out a lot off naff gimmicks but now needs to deliver beyond PR and soundbites.1 -
As others said this all adds in to what karl robinson said after the match about conditions jackson is having to work under and noone having a clue… hmmmmmmcarly burn said:Regardless why you think,. Sue is apparently close to Jackson. She was adamant that Jackson had NO say on any transfers.
If true that should set alarm bells ringing if nothing else. And it confirms what I've heard/read elsewhere.
From the moment he hoisted Schwartz into the squad I had my doubts. He's hell bent on picking his own players and playing his own way and will listen to nobody imo.
We could well be f***d.............again!2 -
Our ignorance has little bearing over the going concern of the club._MrDick said:
I know you’re paraphrasing but personally I think that’s a load of codswallop. A totally unbalanced view from Morts. I don’t think Sandgaard is any different to the vast majority of Charlton supporters who go and watch the team every Saturday, week in, week out. He sees what we see. We see that 352 doesn’t work. We see that our players don’t press enough, aren’t fit enough, get outplayed, out thought by so-called inferior clubs and their managers. We see that Jackson has been blind to changing formations and tactics. He’s (Sandgaard) not a master tactician. He just sees it the way I see it and my mates Vic, Jason, Keith and John see it. We’ve been absolute shit this last season and it’s been down to Jackson. Glad he’s gone. roseandcrown said:He wants high pressing? So, now the chairman is a coach who understands tactics....I don't know why he's talking about tactics. It worries me...He's employing his son who has no football background" - Paul Mortimer on @BBCLondonSport #cafc
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IF Sue is to be believed & as someone I've known for some years ( not as a close friend though) I have no reason whatsoever to think otherwise, then we are up sh*t creek without the proverbial.carly burn said:Regardless why you think,. Sue is apparently close to Jackson. She was adamant that Jackson had NO say on any transfers.
If true that should set alarm bells ringing if nothing else. And it confirms what I've heard/read elsewhere.
From the moment he hoisted Schwartz into the squad I had my doubts. He's hell bent on picking his own players and playing his own way and will listen to nobody imo.
We could well be f***d.............again!
The above would confirm that TS is a control freak IMO and, as such, no manager will be allowed to, well, manage at our club.
Clearly , that doesn't auger well for the wellbeing & sanity of any manager that he employs....because he will be looking for a "yes man". Forget about Roy Keane. Forget about Neil Harris. Forget about the majority of applicants who have anything resembling a backbone. And they'll invariably learn the hard way....
Sue could never be called a shrinking violet & it sounds as though she was determined to tell it like it is tonight ; to give the "other side" of the story - the Jacko side.
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I understand where you are coming from, but something I do have personal experience of to a big degree, is that anyone in a management role on a day to day basis (regardless of vocation) has to have a little bit of so called "political" nouse when it comes to dealing with higher ups - managing expectations, cojouling them to a certain degree, selling them on the overall goal and how to get there (it's always been called "managing upwards" to me but you get the idea) - its part of the day to day in many companies - I think part of the issue (not the whole part I have other issues with the management style of JJ) he just didn't know how to deal with that side of things - probably lack of experience - that doesn't mean that nobody else has those skill sets - i'd argue that whoever ultimately gets the managers job will have to either have that skill or learn it fast - someone like Keane probably has too big of an ego to do that, so I agree he and Harris are out. That's not necessarily a bad thing thoughFanny Fanackapan said:
IF Sue is to be believed & as someone I've known for some years ( not as a close friend though) I have no reason whatsoever to think otherwise, then we are up sh*t creek without the proverbial.carly burn said:Regardless why you think,. Sue is apparently close to Jackson. She was adamant that Jackson had NO say on any transfers.
If true that should set alarm bells ringing if nothing else. And it confirms what I've heard/read elsewhere.
From the moment he hoisted Schwartz into the squad I had my doubts. He's hell bent on picking his own players and playing his own way and will listen to nobody imo.
We could well be f***d.............again!
The above would confirm that TS is a control freak IMO and, as such, no manager will be allowed to, well, manage at our club.
Clearly , that doesn't auger well for the wellbeing & sanity of any manager that he employs....because he will be looking for a "yes man". Forget about Roy Keane. Forget about Neil Harris. Forget about the majority of applicants who have anything resembling a backbone. And they'll invariably learn the hard way....
Sue could never be called a shrinking violet & it sounds as though she was determined to tell it like it is tonight ; to give the "other side" of the story - the Jacko side.
I know which side I believe.1 -
How many football clubs are set up that the manager has the say on transfers nowadays? Most clubs are set up with a DOF or a team responsible for transfers. The managers job is to manage the team in the style that has been set out in the ethos of the club. That way if a manager leaves you get someone in to continue that ethos, hence why MKD could change manager without the need for that manager to have a window for his own players to come in. JJ's biggest mistake we all know is stubbornly sticking to a system that wasnt working and then trying to bluff he way past shite performances. As someone said earlier TS sees everything we do and I can only say that I stopped going weeks ago even though at that stage we were winning. The performances were total garbage and I would rather be entertained by decent football than watch what was being dished up and there was nothing coming from JJ that indicated he could see any issues and next season would have been exactly the same dross imo6
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roseandcrown said:He wants high pressing? So, now the chairman is a coach who understands tactics....I don't know why he's talking about tactics. It worries me...He's employing his son who has no football background" - Paul Mortimer on @BBCLondonSport #cafc
Hang on.BDL said:To be fair, it's personal for Sue as she is so close to Jacko and his family. I tried to be balanced as did Louis.
@BDL is Paul Mortimer?
F*cking legend.7 -
Is Sue, Sue Towsend and how would she know the ins and outs in detail?0
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Well, that's not who I believe is the Radio London Sue.Covered End said:Is Sue, Sue Towsend and how would she know the ins and outs in detail?0 -
Sue gallop I believeCovered End said:Is Sue, Sue Towsend and how would she know the ins and outs in detail?4 -
It is a lady called Sue Gallop who was/ occasionally is on Charlton Live. They say her name in the intro.4
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I think part of the problem is the pissed off are always more vocal than the mildly concerned or the reasonably content, so it's difficult to judge what the wider fanbase view actually is. My impression of the sentiment on here is: pissed off with our position in the league, yes; pissed off with the quality of the football, mostly; pissed off with the formation, probably; unconvinced about the quality of the squad, probably (although opinions vary about precisely which players should stay or go); thinking Jacko was up to the job, divided; thinking he should be given time to mould his own squad, also divided. Are we more representative of the fanbase as a whole than ITTV, Twitter, the various Facebook groups? I have no idea. The CAST season ticket survey might give us some idea, but it's difficult to say at this point. Now that Jacko's gone, the people who were advocating patience are the pissed off ones, so unsurprisingly they're more vocal than they were before.AFKABartram said:Yeah it was pretty unrepresentative of the wider fanbase view imo.Everyone is entitled to their own view so no problem with that, but if I was a neutral tuning in I’d be thinking this was the biggest shock decision in football and fans were protesting with pitchforks.
@LouisMend paid reference to the fact it wasn’t 100% the view, but in the overall package of the programme it was a very minor representation.@BDL made a good point about it making the recruitment process more difficult, but I think we’re not completely alone with that5 -
I wished I didn’t listen to this, I’m even more worried now.LouisMend said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0c04tfr 1 hr 5 mins in1 -
I'm becoming more concerned about TS but I don't agree him having a view on our style of play is an issue.roseandcrown said:He wants high pressing? So, now the chairman is a coach who understands tactics....I don't know why he's talking about tactics. It worries me...He's employing his son who has no football background" - Paul Mortimer on @BBCLondonSport #cafc
It's a factor a lot of owners will consider when making an appointment. If I owned the club I'd want us to play exciting football so a big part of that would be to appoint a manager who gets his teams playing that way.
Of course there's a point where he could push it too far but I don't think there's been any serious suggestions that he's told the manager which team or formation he should play.
As for employing his son then that's a big concern. If the recruitment goes badly again it won't matter who the manager is.7 -
Loved her Adrian Mole books as a kidCovered End said:Is Sue, Sue Towsend and how would she know the ins and outs in detail?12 -
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Loved her Adrian Mole books as a kidCovered End said:Is Sue, Sue Towsend and how would she know the ins and outs in detail?11 - Sponsored links:
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Well it appears that he certainly didn't want the two loans that came in in January.carly burn said:Regardless why you think,. Sue is apparently close to Jackson. She was adamant that Jackson had NO say on any transfers.
If true that should set alarm bells ringing if nothing else. And it confirms what I've heard/read elsewhere.
From the moment he hoisted Schwartz into the squad I had my doubts. He's hell bent on picking his own players and playing his own way and will listen to nobody imo.
We could well be f***d.............again!
Someone call the police, there's a car crash at Floyd Road SE70 -
Yes Sue Gallop, she used to work at the club until few years ago.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:It is a lady called Sue Gallop who was/ occasionally is on Charlton Live. They say her name in the intro.
She is close to Jackson, I'd fully believe her though on the transfer matter. I've said it for a long while now, TS is simply a softer version of RD. I'll eat my hat If we aren't in a relegation battle next year .......3 -
So if it’s Thomas’ club I assume we’re back to being bit part customers.BDL said:Chunes said:That was a bit of a hit jobNot really, do you want him to get someone in quickly? Because thats what I said. Louis also said that if he was going to do it then this is the "right" time. Let's face it there's never a right time and yes I'm gutted he's gone, he was the one consistent thing through the years of madness.As I said, It's Thomas's club, I hope he makes the right decision, one we can all get behind. I hope he brings in someone with experience to get us out of this league.
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TS is allowed to have an opinion on how he wants to see us play
He's also allowed to give his son a job "learning" from Steve Gallen - which he is quoted as saying
He is down right mental if he thinks his son, with relatively little football experience, should be choosing who we sign to get us promoted.
TS can be stubborn in business
But football is NOT his business. He is making it so, but he needs an experienced voice helping him out.
He chose Roddy
He allowed Skiverton
We are a shambles
And I'm sorry to say, I don't think it will change in the near future5 -
A very fair set of opinions on that show. Ex pros, journos, with acknowledgement of split views in fan base. Morts was spot on.1
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agreed with nearly all of what Morts said apart from his suggestion of bringing Curbs in as consultant. If that happens we'll never get rid of Gilbey.
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Just listening now, makes it sound as if we've sacked him having won the league. Nowhere near a balanced view of what the fanbase thinks.
I think the concerns aired around TS are fair, but the stuff about Jackson was far too biased.0 -
Great quote by Louis - "He's not a football man. Just cos he owns the club it doesn't mean he knows how these things work. I own a house that has a bathroom, it doesn't make me a plumber."4
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I rarely comment on football because its not something I know much about, but I know when I like what I see and to be honest that has been rare the last few years.
Watching Charlton has always been peaks and troughs we are just as likely to draw 3-3 with Man Utd or comeback from 2-0 down to win 4-2 at Highbury as we are throw one in our own net against Swindon who hadn't won a game in who knows how long.
Jackson whether he deserves to be sacked or not deserved more than a phone call to end his 12 year association with the club.
We hadn't played since the saturday when TS was in the country and to go through the charade Sunday night knowing his decision was almost certainly made then arrive home and phone him is nothing short of cowardice.
I'm afraid a little common decency seems to be lacking.5
