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Seems like a computer glitch has occurred.
Black Box stuck in Wiltshire mode. Reboot required. There's a great big world out there!14 -
BigRedEvil said:
Terrible keeping by the other GK though!kidbrookeaddick said:Great keeping and assist for Davison here....
You could say it was "positive goalkeeping" as he "wanted to affect the game" was "brave enough to do so" and "had a picture in his mind of what he wanted to do".
Which all just goes to show that if you take lots of risks then the chances are you will make some pretty big fuck ups!1 -
Have you always had this thing about leagues, Dave? Were you pissed off when we signed Darren Bent from the Championship?Dave Rudd said:
So, the point that you are trying to make is ...Cafc43v3r said:
Because he was the POTY in the team that finished about 8th in league 1 this season. Like MacKeeper was last season.RedRobin said:
What does Cameron Brannagan have to do with it?Cafc43v3r said:
Exactly, the example was MacKeeper was 8th placed league 1 clubs player of the year when we signed him.......Dave Rudd said:
Ahem ...Cafc43v3r said:
Blindly, if you had a choice. Would you take the league 2 team of the year or the team that finished 8th in league 1's POTY? For the same position.RedRobin said:A signing I was half expecting, a modern day goalkeeper that can play a bit and be a sweeper. Macca doesn’t fit the way we will play so Exocet him to leave. Was hoping AMB would be our number 1 , still have hopes he will impress in pre-season,
League Two keeper of the year will do for me though, young and has signed a long term contract.
... Peter Clarke?
Let this League 2 'Team of the season' be a benchmark.
Also, didn't Swindon get relegated from League 1 quite recently?
And we stole DJ and Matt Smith from that squad.
But if we signed Cameron Brannagan who is his replacement everyone would be happy.
The original question was would you have league 1's 8th teams poty or league 2 team of the years player. In theory.
... because we would all (presumably) prefer Brannagan to a League 2 'Team of the season' player, then we should be happy that we got Brannagan's equivalent (a goalkeeper from Portsmouth) last season?
Or ... because we were (apparently) happy with MacGillivray last season, but that he has subsequently not impressed, then we should prefer League 2 'Team of the season' players?
Am I getting close yet?
Here's an idea:
Let's generalise that League 1 players are statistically better than League 2 players.
Let's get some of those.7 -
To be fair, he seems to be quite consistently pissed off, so the answer is probably "yes".Chunes said:
Have you always had this thing about leagues, Dave? Were you pissed off when we signed Darren Bent from the Championship?Dave Rudd said:
So, the point that you are trying to make is ...Cafc43v3r said:
Because he was the POTY in the team that finished about 8th in league 1 this season. Like MacKeeper was last season.RedRobin said:
What does Cameron Brannagan have to do with it?Cafc43v3r said:
Exactly, the example was MacKeeper was 8th placed league 1 clubs player of the year when we signed him.......Dave Rudd said:
Ahem ...Cafc43v3r said:
Blindly, if you had a choice. Would you take the league 2 team of the year or the team that finished 8th in league 1's POTY? For the same position.RedRobin said:A signing I was half expecting, a modern day goalkeeper that can play a bit and be a sweeper. Macca doesn’t fit the way we will play so Exocet him to leave. Was hoping AMB would be our number 1 , still have hopes he will impress in pre-season,
League Two keeper of the year will do for me though, young and has signed a long term contract.
... Peter Clarke?
Let this League 2 'Team of the season' be a benchmark.
Also, didn't Swindon get relegated from League 1 quite recently?
And we stole DJ and Matt Smith from that squad.
But if we signed Cameron Brannagan who is his replacement everyone would be happy.
The original question was would you have league 1's 8th teams poty or league 2 team of the years player. In theory.
... because we would all (presumably) prefer Brannagan to a League 2 'Team of the season' player, then we should be happy that we got Brannagan's equivalent (a goalkeeper from Portsmouth) last season?
Or ... because we were (apparently) happy with MacGillivray last season, but that he has subsequently not impressed, then we should prefer League 2 'Team of the season' players?
Am I getting close yet?
Here's an idea:
Let's generalise that League 1 players are statistically better than League 2 players.
Let's get some of those.
Like when we signed that no mark Kinsella.4 -
How difficult is it?Chunes said:
Have you always had this thing about leagues, Dave? Were you pissed off when we signed Darren Bent from the Championship?Dave Rudd said:
So, the point that you are trying to make is ...Cafc43v3r said:
Because he was the POTY in the team that finished about 8th in league 1 this season. Like MacKeeper was last season.RedRobin said:
What does Cameron Brannagan have to do with it?Cafc43v3r said:
Exactly, the example was MacKeeper was 8th placed league 1 clubs player of the year when we signed him.......Dave Rudd said:
Ahem ...Cafc43v3r said:
Blindly, if you had a choice. Would you take the league 2 team of the year or the team that finished 8th in league 1's POTY? For the same position.RedRobin said:A signing I was half expecting, a modern day goalkeeper that can play a bit and be a sweeper. Macca doesn’t fit the way we will play so Exocet him to leave. Was hoping AMB would be our number 1 , still have hopes he will impress in pre-season,
League Two keeper of the year will do for me though, young and has signed a long term contract.
... Peter Clarke?
Let this League 2 'Team of the season' be a benchmark.
Also, didn't Swindon get relegated from League 1 quite recently?
And we stole DJ and Matt Smith from that squad.
But if we signed Cameron Brannagan who is his replacement everyone would be happy.
The original question was would you have league 1's 8th teams poty or league 2 team of the years player. In theory.
... because we would all (presumably) prefer Brannagan to a League 2 'Team of the season' player, then we should be happy that we got Brannagan's equivalent (a goalkeeper from Portsmouth) last season?
Or ... because we were (apparently) happy with MacGillivray last season, but that he has subsequently not impressed, then we should prefer League 2 'Team of the season' players?
Am I getting close yet?
Here's an idea:
Let's generalise that League 1 players are statistically better than League 2 players.
Let's get some of those.
Yes, you can pick up players from lower Leagues who do well. Bent is a good example.
And generally, when you pick up players from lower Leagues, you get what you deserve. There are 1000 good examples.
Shall we start a thread to list them?
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Yes, I'm pissed off when my Club underachieves. Historically, we are on a par with Cardiff, Middlesbrough, Huddersfield ... not Lincoln, Burton Albion and Accrington Stanley.Off_it said:
To be fair, he seems to be quite consistently pissed off, so the answer is probably "yes".Chunes said:
Have you always had this thing about leagues, Dave? Were you pissed off when we signed Darren Bent from the Championship?Dave Rudd said:
So, the point that you are trying to make is ...Cafc43v3r said:
Because he was the POTY in the team that finished about 8th in league 1 this season. Like MacKeeper was last season.RedRobin said:
What does Cameron Brannagan have to do with it?Cafc43v3r said:
Exactly, the example was MacKeeper was 8th placed league 1 clubs player of the year when we signed him.......Dave Rudd said:
Ahem ...Cafc43v3r said:
Blindly, if you had a choice. Would you take the league 2 team of the year or the team that finished 8th in league 1's POTY? For the same position.RedRobin said:A signing I was half expecting, a modern day goalkeeper that can play a bit and be a sweeper. Macca doesn’t fit the way we will play so Exocet him to leave. Was hoping AMB would be our number 1 , still have hopes he will impress in pre-season,
League Two keeper of the year will do for me though, young and has signed a long term contract.
... Peter Clarke?
Let this League 2 'Team of the season' be a benchmark.
Also, didn't Swindon get relegated from League 1 quite recently?
And we stole DJ and Matt Smith from that squad.
But if we signed Cameron Brannagan who is his replacement everyone would be happy.
The original question was would you have league 1's 8th teams poty or league 2 team of the years player. In theory.
... because we would all (presumably) prefer Brannagan to a League 2 'Team of the season' player, then we should be happy that we got Brannagan's equivalent (a goalkeeper from Portsmouth) last season?
Or ... because we were (apparently) happy with MacGillivray last season, but that he has subsequently not impressed, then we should prefer League 2 'Team of the season' players?
Am I getting close yet?
Here's an idea:
Let's generalise that League 1 players are statistically better than League 2 players.
Let's get some of those.
Like when we signed that no mark Kinsella.
Unlike others, I don't rely on unfounded positivity (Yaay! Everything will be OK if we just give everyone a chance).
I prefer constructive suggestions on how to improve things. And shopping at League 2 Asda is not the way to do it. Sandgaard needs a Waitrose or M&S account ... and the Pope money might help.
But, even without that, if you have ambition, if you have dreams for this Club ... then, yes, ... you are pissed off with the current situation.
OK with that?1 -
A natural link between us and Swindon Town. The major train builder of yesterday now feeder club to CAFC.0 -
StrikerFirmani said:
A natural link between us and Swindon Town. The major train builder of yesterday now feeder club to CAFC.
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Pretty sure that'd be a Swansea train rather than a Swindon one.
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Can't wrap my head around it mate. Yeah I'm sure if you just randomly dipped your hand into league two, the players would be worse than league one. But that's why clubs scout players.Dave Rudd said:
How difficult is it?Chunes said:
Have you always had this thing about leagues, Dave? Were you pissed off when we signed Darren Bent from the Championship?Dave Rudd said:
So, the point that you are trying to make is ...Cafc43v3r said:
Because he was the POTY in the team that finished about 8th in league 1 this season. Like MacKeeper was last season.RedRobin said:
What does Cameron Brannagan have to do with it?Cafc43v3r said:
Exactly, the example was MacKeeper was 8th placed league 1 clubs player of the year when we signed him.......Dave Rudd said:
Ahem ...Cafc43v3r said:
Blindly, if you had a choice. Would you take the league 2 team of the year or the team that finished 8th in league 1's POTY? For the same position.RedRobin said:A signing I was half expecting, a modern day goalkeeper that can play a bit and be a sweeper. Macca doesn’t fit the way we will play so Exocet him to leave. Was hoping AMB would be our number 1 , still have hopes he will impress in pre-season,
League Two keeper of the year will do for me though, young and has signed a long term contract.
... Peter Clarke?
Let this League 2 'Team of the season' be a benchmark.
Also, didn't Swindon get relegated from League 1 quite recently?
And we stole DJ and Matt Smith from that squad.
But if we signed Cameron Brannagan who is his replacement everyone would be happy.
The original question was would you have league 1's 8th teams poty or league 2 team of the years player. In theory.
... because we would all (presumably) prefer Brannagan to a League 2 'Team of the season' player, then we should be happy that we got Brannagan's equivalent (a goalkeeper from Portsmouth) last season?
Or ... because we were (apparently) happy with MacGillivray last season, but that he has subsequently not impressed, then we should prefer League 2 'Team of the season' players?
Am I getting close yet?
Here's an idea:
Let's generalise that League 1 players are statistically better than League 2 players.
Let's get some of those.
Yes, you can pick up players from lower Leagues who do well. Bent is a good example.
And generally, when you pick up players from lower Leagues, you get what you deserve. There are 1000 good examples.
Shall we start a thread to list them?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're suggesting that whole process is useless and that you can just judge a player on the league they're currently playing in. And to me that sounds bonkers.
Logically speaking, as well, if league one players are so much better, where have they come from? They can't all have come from the divisions above or league one academies.
Ok I just had a look at MK Dons squad for an example. Good team, not a huge budget yet always in the play-offs. Most of their team is from the lower leagues.Baldwin - EastleighJules - WalsallO'Hara - Bohemian FCDarling - Cambridge UtdBoateng - ExeterHarbor - AyrKemp - Orient14 - Sponsored links:
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Whatever floats your boat mate. We're all Charlton.Dave Rudd said:
Yes, I'm pissed off when my Club underachieves. Historically, we are on a par with Cardiff, Middlesbrough, Huddersfield ... not Lincoln, Burton Albion and Accrington Stanley.Off_it said:
To be fair, he seems to be quite consistently pissed off, so the answer is probably "yes".Chunes said:
Have you always had this thing about leagues, Dave? Were you pissed off when we signed Darren Bent from the Championship?Dave Rudd said:
So, the point that you are trying to make is ...Cafc43v3r said:
Because he was the POTY in the team that finished about 8th in league 1 this season. Like MacKeeper was last season.RedRobin said:
What does Cameron Brannagan have to do with it?Cafc43v3r said:
Exactly, the example was MacKeeper was 8th placed league 1 clubs player of the year when we signed him.......Dave Rudd said:
Ahem ...Cafc43v3r said:
Blindly, if you had a choice. Would you take the league 2 team of the year or the team that finished 8th in league 1's POTY? For the same position.RedRobin said:A signing I was half expecting, a modern day goalkeeper that can play a bit and be a sweeper. Macca doesn’t fit the way we will play so Exocet him to leave. Was hoping AMB would be our number 1 , still have hopes he will impress in pre-season,
League Two keeper of the year will do for me though, young and has signed a long term contract.
... Peter Clarke?
Let this League 2 'Team of the season' be a benchmark.
Also, didn't Swindon get relegated from League 1 quite recently?
And we stole DJ and Matt Smith from that squad.
But if we signed Cameron Brannagan who is his replacement everyone would be happy.
The original question was would you have league 1's 8th teams poty or league 2 team of the years player. In theory.
... because we would all (presumably) prefer Brannagan to a League 2 'Team of the season' player, then we should be happy that we got Brannagan's equivalent (a goalkeeper from Portsmouth) last season?
Or ... because we were (apparently) happy with MacGillivray last season, but that he has subsequently not impressed, then we should prefer League 2 'Team of the season' players?
Am I getting close yet?
Here's an idea:
Let's generalise that League 1 players are statistically better than League 2 players.
Let's get some of those.
Like when we signed that no mark Kinsella.
Unlike others, I don't rely on unfounded positivity (Yaay! Everything will be OK if we just give everyone a chance).
I prefer constructive suggestions on how to improve things. And shopping at League 2 Asda is not the way to do it. Sandgaard needs a Waitrose or M&S account ... and the Pope money might help.
But, even without that, if you have ambition, if you have dreams for this Club ... then, yes, ... you are pissed off with the current situation.
OK with that?0 -
In fairness to Dave, MK aren't always in the play offs, this was their first time in a decade and they didn't go up. Wigan signed Amos, Whatmough, Naylor, Power, Wyke, McLean and Humphreys from League 1/Champ and won the title.Chunes said:
Can't wrap my head around it mate. Yeah I'm sure if you just randomly dipped your hand into league two, the players would be worse than league one. But that's why clubs scout players.Dave Rudd said:
How difficult is it?Chunes said:
Have you always had this thing about leagues, Dave? Were you pissed off when we signed Darren Bent from the Championship?Dave Rudd said:
So, the point that you are trying to make is ...Cafc43v3r said:
Because he was the POTY in the team that finished about 8th in league 1 this season. Like MacKeeper was last season.RedRobin said:
What does Cameron Brannagan have to do with it?Cafc43v3r said:
Exactly, the example was MacKeeper was 8th placed league 1 clubs player of the year when we signed him.......Dave Rudd said:
Ahem ...Cafc43v3r said:
Blindly, if you had a choice. Would you take the league 2 team of the year or the team that finished 8th in league 1's POTY? For the same position.RedRobin said:A signing I was half expecting, a modern day goalkeeper that can play a bit and be a sweeper. Macca doesn’t fit the way we will play so Exocet him to leave. Was hoping AMB would be our number 1 , still have hopes he will impress in pre-season,
League Two keeper of the year will do for me though, young and has signed a long term contract.
... Peter Clarke?
Let this League 2 'Team of the season' be a benchmark.
Also, didn't Swindon get relegated from League 1 quite recently?
And we stole DJ and Matt Smith from that squad.
But if we signed Cameron Brannagan who is his replacement everyone would be happy.
The original question was would you have league 1's 8th teams poty or league 2 team of the years player. In theory.
... because we would all (presumably) prefer Brannagan to a League 2 'Team of the season' player, then we should be happy that we got Brannagan's equivalent (a goalkeeper from Portsmouth) last season?
Or ... because we were (apparently) happy with MacGillivray last season, but that he has subsequently not impressed, then we should prefer League 2 'Team of the season' players?
Am I getting close yet?
Here's an idea:
Let's generalise that League 1 players are statistically better than League 2 players.
Let's get some of those.
Yes, you can pick up players from lower Leagues who do well. Bent is a good example.
And generally, when you pick up players from lower Leagues, you get what you deserve. There are 1000 good examples.
Shall we start a thread to list them?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're suggesting that whole process is useless and that you can just judge a player on the league they're currently playing in. And to me that sounds bonkers.
Logically speaking, as well, if league one players are so much better, where have they come from? They can't all have come from the divisions above or league one academies.
Ok I just had a look at MK Dons squad for an example. Good team, not a huge budget yet always in the play-offs. Most of their team is from the lower leagues.Baldwin - EastleighJules - WalsallO'Hara - Bohemian FCDarling - Cambridge UtdBoateng - ExeterHarbor - AyrKemp - Orient0 -
*Deep breath*Chunes said:
Can't wrap my head around it mate. Yeah I'm sure if you just randomly dipped your hand into league two, the players would be worse than league one. But that's why clubs scout players.Dave Rudd said:
How difficult is it?Chunes said:
Have you always had this thing about leagues, Dave? Were you pissed off when we signed Darren Bent from the Championship?Dave Rudd said:
So, the point that you are trying to make is ...Cafc43v3r said:
Because he was the POTY in the team that finished about 8th in league 1 this season. Like MacKeeper was last season.RedRobin said:
What does Cameron Brannagan have to do with it?Cafc43v3r said:
Exactly, the example was MacKeeper was 8th placed league 1 clubs player of the year when we signed him.......Dave Rudd said:
Ahem ...Cafc43v3r said:
Blindly, if you had a choice. Would you take the league 2 team of the year or the team that finished 8th in league 1's POTY? For the same position.RedRobin said:A signing I was half expecting, a modern day goalkeeper that can play a bit and be a sweeper. Macca doesn’t fit the way we will play so Exocet him to leave. Was hoping AMB would be our number 1 , still have hopes he will impress in pre-season,
League Two keeper of the year will do for me though, young and has signed a long term contract.
... Peter Clarke?
Let this League 2 'Team of the season' be a benchmark.
Also, didn't Swindon get relegated from League 1 quite recently?
And we stole DJ and Matt Smith from that squad.
But if we signed Cameron Brannagan who is his replacement everyone would be happy.
The original question was would you have league 1's 8th teams poty or league 2 team of the years player. In theory.
... because we would all (presumably) prefer Brannagan to a League 2 'Team of the season' player, then we should be happy that we got Brannagan's equivalent (a goalkeeper from Portsmouth) last season?
Or ... because we were (apparently) happy with MacGillivray last season, but that he has subsequently not impressed, then we should prefer League 2 'Team of the season' players?
Am I getting close yet?
Here's an idea:
Let's generalise that League 1 players are statistically better than League 2 players.
Let's get some of those.
Yes, you can pick up players from lower Leagues who do well. Bent is a good example.
And generally, when you pick up players from lower Leagues, you get what you deserve. There are 1000 good examples.
Shall we start a thread to list them?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're suggesting that whole process is useless and that you can just judge a player on the league they're currently playing in. And to me that sounds bonkers.
Logically speaking, as well, if league one players are so much better, where have they come from? They can't all have come from the divisions above or league one academies.
Ok I just had a look at MK Dons squad for an example. Good team, not a huge budget yet always in the play-offs. Most of their team is from the lower leagues.Baldwin - EastleighJules - WalsallO'Hara - Bohemian FCDarling - Cambridge UtdBoateng - ExeterHarbor - AyrKemp - Orient
I didn't say that "you can just judge a player on the league they're currently playing in".
I'm saying that players in a lower League are generally not as good as players in higher League. Yes, of course, you can find players who buck that statement but, in general, if you pick up guys from Rochdale and Swindon, they will be poorer players than if you shopped at Sheff Wed or Ipswich.
Let's keep your argument going, shall we? Let's drop another League ... and another ... let's check out the Conference.
Now, let's keep mine going. Championship. Premier League. Do you get it yet?
If you want to stagnate, the current philosophy is fine. But, if you want to progress ... look upwards. Start with decent League 1 standard, then pick off young players (on loan, of course) from top Clubs.
By the way, you missed Eisa (Peterborough), Watson (Reading/AFC Wimbledon), Harvie (Dumbarton/Ayr Utd), McEachran (Brentford) from your MK Dons example ... but you knew that anyway.
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What's with all the moodiness! Cheer up, we have a squad and also paying the rent too!4
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Very pleased with this signing, for me a new keeper this year was going to be a our biggest signing.. For all of Mc’s clean sheets look good on paper, but half of those were games where a team could play all year and not score!! Doesn’t tell you the amount of mistakes he made, and how uncomfortable he was with the ball, and how many miss hit or wrongly directed passes put our players under pressure.
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Mc is the worst goalkeeper we’ve had as a permanent fixture since the 90s. Average stopper , poor distribution, dreadful box patrol. No idea if this guy will be an upgrade but I’m glad we’ve got a new keeper - I didn’t see that coming .DubaiCAFC said:Very pleased with this signing, for me a new keeper this year was going to be a our biggest signing.. For all of Mc’s clean sheets look good on paper, but half of those were games where a team could play all year and not score!! Doesn’t tell you the amount of mistakes he made, and how uncomfortable he was with the ball, and how many miss hit or wrongly directed passes put our players under pressure.3 -
I've seen a fair amount of opinion from Swindon fans he isn't that good and is quite flappy aerially, which was McG's weakness too. I do hope MS's data says otherwise.DubaiCAFC said:Very pleased with this signing, for me a new keeper this year was going to be a our biggest signing.. For all of Mc’s clean sheets look good on paper, but half of those were games where a team could play all year and not score!! Doesn’t tell you the amount of mistakes he made, and how uncomfortable he was with the ball, and how many miss hit or wrongly directed passes put our players under pressure.1 -
On the World Cup issue, what’s the chances of AMB going in the Australian squad?0
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Almost zero i'd say.Rothko said:On the World Cup issue, what’s the chances of AMB going in the Australian squad?
Never got a senior cap and not even in recent squads, so i doubt they're suddenly going to pick him as one of their 3 keepers.2 -
Didn't Sheffield Wednesday nick a load of our players around the time of the Paul Williams transfer?
I still harbour a grudge against them, but I'm getting old and can't quite remember why.4 - Sponsored links:
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Think it was 4? Williams, Shirtliff, Watson and Mackenzie.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Didn't Sheffield Wednesday nick a load of our players around the time of the Paul Williams transfer?
I still harbour a grudge against them, but I'm getting old and can't quite remember why.1 -
Not just MS data though is it? Garner would have seen him every day last season for training and matches. I also don’t see how a keeper gets in league 2 team of the season if he “isn’t that good”.balham red said:
I've seen a fair amount of opinion from Swindon fans he isn't that good and is quite flappy aerially, which was McG's weakness too. I do hope MS's data says otherwise.DubaiCAFC said:Very pleased with this signing, for me a new keeper this year was going to be a our biggest signing.. For all of Mc’s clean sheets look good on paper, but half of those were games where a team could play all year and not score!! Doesn’t tell you the amount of mistakes he made, and how uncomfortable he was with the ball, and how many miss hit or wrongly directed passes put our players under pressure.4 -
No need for this to descend into a row.Dave Rudd said:
*Deep breath*Chunes said:
Can't wrap my head around it mate. Yeah I'm sure if you just randomly dipped your hand into league two, the players would be worse than league one. But that's why clubs scout players.Dave Rudd said:
How difficult is it?Chunes said:
Have you always had this thing about leagues, Dave? Were you pissed off when we signed Darren Bent from the Championship?Dave Rudd said:
So, the point that you are trying to make is ...Cafc43v3r said:
Because he was the POTY in the team that finished about 8th in league 1 this season. Like MacKeeper was last season.RedRobin said:
What does Cameron Brannagan have to do with it?Cafc43v3r said:
Exactly, the example was MacKeeper was 8th placed league 1 clubs player of the year when we signed him.......Dave Rudd said:
Ahem ...Cafc43v3r said:
Blindly, if you had a choice. Would you take the league 2 team of the year or the team that finished 8th in league 1's POTY? For the same position.RedRobin said:A signing I was half expecting, a modern day goalkeeper that can play a bit and be a sweeper. Macca doesn’t fit the way we will play so Exocet him to leave. Was hoping AMB would be our number 1 , still have hopes he will impress in pre-season,
League Two keeper of the year will do for me though, young and has signed a long term contract.
... Peter Clarke?
Let this League 2 'Team of the season' be a benchmark.
Also, didn't Swindon get relegated from League 1 quite recently?
And we stole DJ and Matt Smith from that squad.
But if we signed Cameron Brannagan who is his replacement everyone would be happy.
The original question was would you have league 1's 8th teams poty or league 2 team of the years player. In theory.
... because we would all (presumably) prefer Brannagan to a League 2 'Team of the season' player, then we should be happy that we got Brannagan's equivalent (a goalkeeper from Portsmouth) last season?
Or ... because we were (apparently) happy with MacGillivray last season, but that he has subsequently not impressed, then we should prefer League 2 'Team of the season' players?
Am I getting close yet?
Here's an idea:
Let's generalise that League 1 players are statistically better than League 2 players.
Let's get some of those.
Yes, you can pick up players from lower Leagues who do well. Bent is a good example.
And generally, when you pick up players from lower Leagues, you get what you deserve. There are 1000 good examples.
Shall we start a thread to list them?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're suggesting that whole process is useless and that you can just judge a player on the league they're currently playing in. And to me that sounds bonkers.
Logically speaking, as well, if league one players are so much better, where have they come from? They can't all have come from the divisions above or league one academies.
Ok I just had a look at MK Dons squad for an example. Good team, not a huge budget yet always in the play-offs. Most of their team is from the lower leagues.Baldwin - EastleighJules - WalsallO'Hara - Bohemian FCDarling - Cambridge UtdBoateng - ExeterHarbor - AyrKemp - Orient
I didn't say that "you can just judge a player on the league they're currently playing in".
I'm saying that players in a lower League are generally not as good as players in higher League. Yes, of course, you can find players who buck that statement but, in general, if you pick up guys from Rochdale and Swindon, they will be poorer players than if you shopped at Sheff Wed or Ipswich.
Let's keep your argument going, shall we? Let's drop another League ... and another ... let's check out the Conference.
Now, let's keep mine going. Championship. Premier League. Do you get it yet?
If you want to stagnate, the current philosophy is fine. But, if you want to progress ... look upwards. Start with decent League 1 standard, then pick off young players (on loan, of course) from top Clubs.
By the way, you missed Eisa (Peterborough), Watson (Reading/AFC Wimbledon), Harvie (Dumbarton/Ayr Utd), McEachran (Brentford) from your MK Dons example ... but you knew that anyway.
I said most of their team but the point is that logically, a good portion of league one players that you put a high value on logically must have come from league two. Again, they can't all have come above or been born into League One.
(Btw, MK Dons may have signed Mo Eisa from P'boro, but P'boro got him from League two. That's where they also signed Johnson Clarke-Harris, Sriki Dembele and Sammie Szimodics).
"I'm saying that players in a lower League are generally not as good as players in higher League."
Yes, I agree. That is 100% true. But (again) as I said above, we're not picking players at random we're scouting them and deciding they will improve us.
"if you want to progress ... look upwards. Start with decent League 1 standard, then pick off young players (on loan, of course) from top Clubs."
That's what we've done for the last few seasons, with terrible results and some truly pants players. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do this, I'm just saying that it's about the player not where they're coming from.
I feel like we may finally be moving forward as a club if we're finding players to fit a system and I'm really looking forward to seeing how this approach works out. If your theory is correct, it will be worse than last season.
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Wasnt a MacG fan but was expecting us to go with him and AMB for the number 1 shirt this season. The fact we’ve strengthened an area where we have enough bodies already is a positive that we are trying to compete this season.1
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@Dave Rudd What I'm seeing is a coherent strategy being implemented, buying players in their prime on longer term contracts to suit a style of play, regardless of league placing.
Out of contract L2 players do represent low hanging fruit, which is why we're able to secure those first, but we're not done yet.
I fully expect them to be supplemented by further additions from L1 and 2 teams, the difference in standards between the two not the gaping chasm that exists higher up the league structure.
Personally I'm hoping not to see players arriving in their twighlight years from higher up, the likes of Sol Bamba for example, and kids on loan from Prem Clubs have proven mostly underwhelming since TS came in so far, so I don't want many of those.
This radical new approach might not work, but the prospects for the coming season excite me, assuming we carry on sticking to the recruitment plan. We are building for the future from a low base and it might prove a bumpy ride, but hang on in there and you might be pleasantly surprise.
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Oh that's handyLeuth said:
From watching him in the AFCON, he does like a punch, but he's quite good at them. Probably can catch as well? We'll see. A solid punch is no bad thing tbhCharltonKerry said:What’s is his catching ability like, will he come out and take pressure of the defence and catch rather than just flap about like a preforming seal.
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Absolutely spot on, we've done the quick wins first, 3 out of contract players, moving up a division, and two that also know the manager.swordfish said:@Dave Rudd What I'm seeing is a coherent strategy being implemented, buying players in their prime on longer term contracts to suit a style of play, regardless of league placing.
Out of contract L2 players do represent low hanging fruit, which is why we're able to secure those first, but we're not done yet.
I fully expect them to be supplemented by further additions from L1 and 2 teams, the difference in standards between the two not the gaping chasm that exists higher up the league structure.
Personally I'm hoping not to see players arriving in their twighlight years from higher up, the likes of Sol Bamba for example, and kids on loan from Prem Clubs have proven mostly underwhelming since TS came in so far, so I don't want many of those.
This radical new approach might not work, but the prospects for the coming season excite me, assuming we carry on sticking to the recruitment plan. We are building for the future from a low base and it might prove a bumpy ride, but hang on in there and you might be pleasantly surprise.
The players who need negotiation with the clubs as well etc will be slower.7 -
Unless you're Andy ToddLeuth said:
From watching him in the AFCON, he does like a punch, but he's quite good at them. Probably can catch as well? We'll see. A solid punch is no bad thing tbhCharltonKerry said:What’s is his catching ability like, will he come out and take pressure of the defence and catch rather than just flap about like a preforming seal.
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He was apparently wanted by MK Dons as well.16
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When we're talking about a good punch on a 'keeper ... wrong way round!Bangkokaddick said:
Unless you're Andy ToddLeuth said:
From watching him in the AFCON, he does like a punch, but he's quite good at them. Probably can catch as well? We'll see. A solid punch is no bad thing tbhCharltonKerry said:What’s is his catching ability like, will he come out and take pressure of the defence and catch rather than just flap about like a preforming seal.0
