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Shinzo Abe - Assassinated.

The former Japanese PM is in critical condition after being shot in the back. He was delivering a speech in Nara.
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  • Awful. Here's hoping he pulls through. 
  • edited July 2022
    thought it was TS marquee signing, hope he pulls through tho..

    RIP
  • It's being reported he's died - RIP 
  • Chizz said:
    It's being reported he's died - RIP 
    Zahawi gave his condolences a few hours ago. RIP
  • RIP.
    A political assassination.
  • The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
  • Jessie said:
    The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
    Be careful what you say or write regarding this news here. Stay safe.
    Some of the comments I’ve seen on weixin today have been crazy dangerous from some foreigners. 

    I fully understand why he’s so hated, but still…..

  • The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
    Jessie said:
    The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
    Be careful what you say or write regarding this news here. Stay safe.
    :( Stay safe guys.

    RIP. Assassinations are always deeply unsettling, no matter where you are in the world.
  • Jessie said:
    Jessie said:
    The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
    Be careful what you say or write regarding this news here. Stay safe.
    Some of the comments I’ve seen on weixin today have been crazy dangerous from some foreigners. 

    I fully understand why he’s so hated, but still…..
    What? Foreigners? That's surprising...
    Complaining about the general reaction 
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  • Hold on - is there a suggestion this was at the behest of a foreign agent (no individual country inferred).
  • Doesn't sound likely. Suspect has a Japanese name and used a homemade gun. 

    I'm guessing Stu is talking about reactions from some Chinese individuals. Abe was not popular in China for various reasons (some justifiable and some not).
  • RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
  • RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    He was critical of China gearing up to invade Taiwan and of the US not having a stance. 
  • There is a morphic memory of the behaviour of Japanese forces in China around and during WW2.
    Any reaction in China or elsewhere that isn’t horrified that a bloke gets assassinated this way is wrong.
    It may be that approval can be explained, but the approval can’t be excused.
    RIP.
  • RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
  • edited July 2022
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    According to my wife (who is from Hong Kong), previous Prime Ministers had not visited the controversial Yasukinu shrine that honoured Japanese soldiers killed in WWII. Abe broke this and used to visit the temple. There is a lot of animosity between China and Japan, particularly over the rape of Nanking.
  • RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


  • Thank you for the information guys (and Mrs Chunes). 
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  • RIP a great servant of his country.
  • seth plum said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


    Here we go..
  • edited July 2022
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  • seth plum said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


    Here we go..
    Here we go what?
    Tell me anything I have written on this thread that is wrong in any way?
    The ‘here we go’ is better applied to you for trying to start a pile on.
  • edited July 2022
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    He was critical of China gearing up to invade Taiwan and of the US not having a stance. 
    No

    Chunes said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    According to my wife (who is from Hong Kong), previous Prime Ministers had not visited the controversial Yasukinu shrine that honoured Japanese soldiers killed in WWII. Abe broke this and used to visit the temple. There is a lot of animosity between China and Japan, particularly over the rape of Nanking.
    Yes. 

    seth plum said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


    Check the bbc, they have evidence of state backed broadcasters doing exactly that. 
  • edited July 2022
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    He was critical of China gearing up to invade Taiwan and of the US not having a stance. 
    No

    Chunes said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    According to my wife (who is from Hong Kong), previous Prime Ministers had not visited the controversial Yasukinu shrine that honoured Japanese soldiers killed in WWII. Abe broke this and used to visit the temple. There is a lot of animosity between China and Japan, particularly over the rape of Nanking.
    Yes. 

    seth plum said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


    Check the bbc, they have evidence of state backed broadcasters doing exactly that. 
    I will check the BBC.

    Edit.

    I have scrolled the three BBC pages, but have not found anything about Chinese state backed media on there.
    I have looked elsewhere and found several references to Chinese social media.

  • Truly shocking news. Gun crime in Japan is lower than in the UK and this happened in front of a crowd of people. 
  • Jessie said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    He was critical of China gearing up to invade Taiwan and of the US not having a stance. 
    Sorry but no, that's oversimplifying it.

    Chunes said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    According to my wife (who is from Hong Kong), previous Prime Ministers had not visited the controversial Yasukinu shrine that honoured Japanese soldiers killed in WWII. Abe broke this and used to visit the temple. There is a lot of animosity between China and Japan, particularly over the rape of Nanking.
    Yes this. That was like Merkle paying visit to Hitler's grave - it was simply unacceptable action. The pure existence of Yasukinu shrine is something that we cannot accept. Can you imagine honouring the likes of Hitler, Goring, Heydrich? ....... Abe's right-wing family back-ground, right-wing policies and particularly attitude towards war criminals in WWII were what made many Chinese people hate him.
    I’d actually say it would be worse, Germany accepts what it does and teaches in school about the atrocities the committed. 
  • edited July 2022
    seth plum said:
    There is a morphic memory of the behaviour of Japanese forces in China around and during WW2.
    Any reaction in China or elsewhere that isn’t horrified that a bloke gets assassinated this way is wrong.
    It may be that approval can be explained, but the approval can’t be excused.
    RIP.
    One only has to Google The Siege of Nanking to understand the hatred……it was utterly unforgivable, the word horrendous doesn’t even begin to describe the barbarity shown by the Japanese military..……medieval torturous style atrocities carried out with unabated relish, killing hundreds of thousands of the civilian population during a six week period in 1937.
    I have always thought that someway along the line, the Chinese will pay them back somehow or another,  the hatred is deeply engrained in their psyche…….quite understandable under the circumstances.
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