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Shinzo Abe - Assassinated.

Callumcafc
Callumcafc Posts: 63,871
edited July 2022 in Not Sports Related
The former Japanese PM is in critical condition after being shot in the back. He was delivering a speech in Nara.
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  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,201
    Awful. Here's hoping he pulls through. 
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,362
    edited July 2022
    thought it was TS marquee signing, hope he pulls through tho..

    RIP
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,358
    It's being reported he's died - RIP 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,659
    Chizz said:
    It's being reported he's died - RIP 
    Zahawi gave his condolences a few hours ago. RIP
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    RIP.
    A political assassination.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    Jessie said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
    Be careful what you say or write regarding this news here. Stay safe.
    Some of the comments I’ve seen on weixin today have been crazy dangerous from some foreigners. 

    I fully understand why he’s so hated, but still…..
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,934

  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
    Jessie said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
    Be careful what you say or write regarding this news here. Stay safe.
    :( Stay safe guys.

    RIP. Assassinations are always deeply unsettling, no matter where you are in the world.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    Jessie said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    Jessie said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    The reaction here has been sickening, not a nice day at all.
    Be careful what you say or write regarding this news here. Stay safe.
    Some of the comments I’ve seen on weixin today have been crazy dangerous from some foreigners. 

    I fully understand why he’s so hated, but still…..
    What? Foreigners? That's surprising...
    Complaining about the general reaction 

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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,926
    Hold on - is there a suggestion this was at the behest of a foreign agent (no individual country inferred).
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,504
    Doesn't sound likely. Suspect has a Japanese name and used a homemade gun. 

    I'm guessing Stu is talking about reactions from some Chinese individuals. Abe was not popular in China for various reasons (some justifiable and some not).
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,201
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,165
    Algarveaddick said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    He was critical of China gearing up to invade Taiwan and of the US not having a stance. 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    There is a morphic memory of the behaviour of Japanese forces in China around and during WW2.
    Any reaction in China or elsewhere that isn’t horrified that a bloke gets assassinated this way is wrong.
    It may be that approval can be explained, but the approval can’t be excused.
    RIP.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,780
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,416
    edited July 2022
    Algarveaddick said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    According to my wife (who is from Hong Kong), previous Prime Ministers had not visited the controversial Yasukinu shrine that honoured Japanese soldiers killed in WWII. Abe broke this and used to visit the temple. There is a lot of animosity between China and Japan, particularly over the rape of Nanking.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,201
    Thank you for the information guys (and Mrs Chunes). 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,085
    RIP

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  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,408
    RIP a great servant of his country.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    seth plum said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


    Here we go..
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,416
    edited July 2022
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  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    kentaddick said:
    seth plum said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


    Here we go..
    Here we go what?
    Tell me anything I have written on this thread that is wrong in any way?
    The ‘here we go’ is better applied to you for trying to start a pile on.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,408
    seth plum said:
    kentaddick said:
    seth plum said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


    Here we go..
    Here we go what?
    Tell me anything I have written on this thread that is wrong in any way?
    The ‘here we go’ is better applied to you for trying to start a pile on.
    Here we go.

    😀
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    edited July 2022
    The Red Robin said:
    Algarveaddick said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    He was critical of China gearing up to invade Taiwan and of the US not having a stance. 
    No

    Chunes said:
    Algarveaddick said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    According to my wife (who is from Hong Kong), previous Prime Ministers had not visited the controversial Yasukinu shrine that honoured Japanese soldiers killed in WWII. Abe broke this and used to visit the temple. There is a lot of animosity between China and Japan, particularly over the rape of Nanking.
    Yes. 

    seth plum said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


    Check the bbc, they have evidence of state backed broadcasters doing exactly that. 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited July 2022
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Algarveaddick said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    He was critical of China gearing up to invade Taiwan and of the US not having a stance. 
    No

    Chunes said:
    Algarveaddick said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    According to my wife (who is from Hong Kong), previous Prime Ministers had not visited the controversial Yasukinu shrine that honoured Japanese soldiers killed in WWII. Abe broke this and used to visit the temple. There is a lot of animosity between China and Japan, particularly over the rape of Nanking.
    Yes. 

    seth plum said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    RIP. A terrible act and if a state wants to rejoice in an assisination, it tells you all you need to know about them.
    Are you suggesting the Chinese state as represented by the authorities are rejoicing in an assassination? I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.
    As for something telling somebody ‘all you need to know’, really?


    Check the bbc, they have evidence of state backed broadcasters doing exactly that. 
    I will check the BBC.

    Edit.

    I have scrolled the three BBC pages, but have not found anything about Chinese state backed media on there.
    I have looked elsewhere and found several references to Chinese social media.

  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,125
    Truly shocking news. Gun crime in Japan is lower than in the UK and this happened in front of a crowd of people. 
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    Jessie said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Algarveaddick said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    He was critical of China gearing up to invade Taiwan and of the US not having a stance. 
    Sorry but no, that's oversimplifying it.

    Chunes said:
    Algarveaddick said:
    RIP.

    Why was he so unpopular in China?
    According to my wife (who is from Hong Kong), previous Prime Ministers had not visited the controversial Yasukinu shrine that honoured Japanese soldiers killed in WWII. Abe broke this and used to visit the temple. There is a lot of animosity between China and Japan, particularly over the rape of Nanking.
    Yes this. That was like Merkle paying visit to Hitler's grave - it was simply unacceptable action. The pure existence of Yasukinu shrine is something that we cannot accept. Can you imagine honouring the likes of Hitler, Goring, Heydrich? ....... Abe's right-wing family back-ground, right-wing policies and particularly attitude towards war criminals in WWII were what made many Chinese people hate him.
    I’d actually say it would be worse, Germany accepts what it does and teaches in school about the atrocities the committed. 
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,513
    edited July 2022
    seth plum said:
    There is a morphic memory of the behaviour of Japanese forces in China around and during WW2.
    Any reaction in China or elsewhere that isn’t horrified that a bloke gets assassinated this way is wrong.
    It may be that approval can be explained, but the approval can’t be excused.
    RIP.
    One only has to Google The Siege of Nanking to understand the hatred……it was utterly unforgivable, the word horrendous doesn’t even begin to describe the barbarity shown by the Japanese military..……medieval torturous style atrocities carried out with unabated relish, killing hundreds of thousands of the civilian population during a six week period in 1937.
    I have always thought that someway along the line, the Chinese will pay them back somehow or another,  the hatred is deeply engrained in their psyche…….quite understandable under the circumstances.

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