As alluded to by Airman Brown further up the thread, much is going to depend on Garners ability as a manager. For me it’s always the key to any success. The man in charge has to be right. Most important appointment a club can make. Have we had a cooking analogy yet ? Give me the same set of ingredients as James Martin and I’ll guarantee he’s going to produce something better than me. If Garner is a good cook then we can legitimately hope for a feast.
I like the look of the squad and I’m increasingly confident of a decent season is ahead, we need a striker to back up, compliment, Stockley but then again what club doesn’t need a decent striker, hopefully a decent loan signing is being chased.
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
How would everyone feel if we were mid-table by November? Keep Garner or bin him off?
Depends doesn't it? If we sign Bellingham, Salah, Haaland and McKirdy before then and are still midtable I would bin him off....
I think is now a two year project, which is so frustrating because 14 months ago it was a one year one.
As it stands this squad would hammer the squad from this time last year but I am still not convinced it would beat the team we had at the end of the previous season. Which in its self wasn't quite good enough for a play off place.
How would everyone feel if we were mid-table by November? Keep Garner or bin him off?
Depends how far off the playoffs we are and how we have been playing, if it looks like progress is being made , then the manager probably should be kept and let him do his job.
How would everyone feel if we were mid-table by November? Keep Garner or bin him off?
Depends how far off the playoffs we are and how we have been playing,if it looks like progress 'can not be made' , then the manager probably should be kept and let him do his job.
I don’t know what to think. We wanted a clear out. We’re getting one. We wanted some goals from midfield. On the face of it Jack helps here. But the niggling feeling that we’re recruiting a bunch of league 2 players haunts me. Welcome aboard the good ship Swindo, sorry CAFC Jack. I hope you are a ray of light.
Just remind me Swindon finished in 6th position in Division 2 last season and now it’s expected that these same players push us on to The Championship.
Their form improved dramatically as the season progressed and they smashed all the positive stats associated with league two. They narrowly missed the playoffs and would almost certainly have been the favourites to win promotion as the in form team. They failed because Davidson, who was on loan to them at the time, missed a crucial penalty. Their poor early season form was largely their downfall.
How would everyone feel if we were mid-table by November? Keep Garner or bin him off?
Depends how far off the playoffs we are and how we have been playing,if it looks like progress 'can not be made' , then the manager probably should be kept and let him do his job.
Did you mean this or if progress is 'being made'
Lol!Sorry, yes if progress is being made. That would be some crazy reverse psychology!!🤣
I don’t know what to think. We wanted a clear out. We’re getting one. We wanted some goals from midfield. On the face of it Jack helps here. But the niggling feeling that we’re recruiting a bunch of league 2 players haunts me. Welcome aboard the good ship Swindo, sorry CAFC Jack. I hope you are a ray of light.
Just remind me Swindon finished in 6th position in Division 2 last season and now it’s expected that these same players push us on to The Championship.
Their form improved dramatically as the season progressed and they smashed all the positive stats associated with league two. They narrowly missed the playoffs and would almost certainly have been the favourites to win promotion as the in form team. They failed because Davidson, who was on loan to them at the time, missed a crucial penalty. Their poor early season form was largely their downfall.
That was the same problem Garner had at Bristol Rovers before he was sacked.
It will be interesting to see how TS nerve holds, if it takes half a season for Garner to get his team on track.
For me building a team comes second to winning. Maybe it is a chicken and egg situation, but I would prefer mind numbingly boring football and a win, that all the bells and whistles and a defeat. Results on the pitch is the primary measure of Mr Garner.
The point of building a team is to win. It’s not a social group.
Well yes. I suppose I am worried about the talk of developing a style, a club methodology, continuing to be a work in progress, when glorious defeats might become acceptable. If we combine glory with wins then fine, but wins are everything right now.
Not sure I totally agree. Yes we do need to see results in the short and medium term but for several seasons now we've seen teams being gutted and rebuilt almost from scratch every summer.
Having a style and methodology (and sticking to it) will hopefully lead to a point where transfers are about upgrading and evolving the team and not having to create one anew every year.
It's going to take time, patience and money to achieve and I am by no means saying it's guaranteed to succeed but I can understand what the idea is even if I'm still not 100% sold on the methods.
I think everything you write is totally reasonable, but for me I am too old for patience. I want results.
For me building a team comes second to winning. Maybe it is a chicken and egg situation, but I would prefer mind numbingly boring football and a win, that all the bells and whistles and a defeat. Results on the pitch is the primary measure of Mr Garner.
The point of building a team is to win. It’s not a social group.
Well yes. I suppose I am worried about the talk of developing a style, a club methodology, continuing to be a work in progress, when glorious defeats might become acceptable. If we combine glory with wins then fine, but wins are everything right now.
Not sure I totally agree. Yes we do need to see results in the short and medium term but for several seasons now we've seen teams being gutted and rebuilt almost from scratch every summer.
Having a style and methodology (and sticking to it) will hopefully lead to a point where transfers are about upgrading and evolving the team and not having to create one anew every year.
It's going to take time, patience and money to achieve and I am by no means saying it's guaranteed to succeed but I can understand what the idea is even if I'm still not 100% sold on the methods.
I think everything you write is totally reasonable, but for me I am too old for patience. I want results.
For me building a team comes second to winning. Maybe it is a chicken and egg situation, but I would prefer mind numbingly boring football and a win, that all the bells and whistles and a defeat. Results on the pitch is the primary measure of Mr Garner.
The point of building a team is to win. It’s not a social group.
Well yes. I suppose I am worried about the talk of developing a style, a club methodology, continuing to be a work in progress, when glorious defeats might become acceptable. If we combine glory with wins then fine, but wins are everything right now.
Not sure I totally agree. Yes we do need to see results in the short and medium term but for several seasons now we've seen teams being gutted and rebuilt almost from scratch every summer.
Having a style and methodology (and sticking to it) will hopefully lead to a point where transfers are about upgrading and evolving the team and not having to create one anew every year.
It's going to take time, patience and money to achieve and I am by no means saying it's guaranteed to succeed but I can understand what the idea is even if I'm still not 100% sold on the methods.
I think everything you write is totally reasonable, but for me I am too old for patience. I want results.
For me building a team comes second to winning. Maybe it is a chicken and egg situation, but I would prefer mind numbingly boring football and a win, that all the bells and whistles and a defeat. Results on the pitch is the primary measure of Mr Garner.
The point of building a team is to win. It’s not a social group.
Well yes. I suppose I am worried about the talk of developing a style, a club methodology, continuing to be a work in progress, when glorious defeats might become acceptable. If we combine glory with wins then fine, but wins are everything right now.
Not sure I totally agree. Yes we do need to see results in the short and medium term but for several seasons now we've seen teams being gutted and rebuilt almost from scratch every summer.
Having a style and methodology (and sticking to it) will hopefully lead to a point where transfers are about upgrading and evolving the team and not having to create one anew every year.
It's going to take time, patience and money to achieve and I am by no means saying it's guaranteed to succeed but I can understand what the idea is even if I'm still not 100% sold on the methods.
I think everything you write is totally reasonable, but for me I am too old for patience. I want results.
For me building a team comes second to winning. Maybe it is a chicken and egg situation, but I would prefer mind numbingly boring football and a win, that all the bells and whistles and a defeat. Results on the pitch is the primary measure of Mr Garner.
The point of building a team is to win. It’s not a social group.
Well yes. I suppose I am worried about the talk of developing a style, a club methodology, continuing to be a work in progress, when glorious defeats might become acceptable. If we combine glory with wins then fine, but wins are everything right now.
Not sure I totally agree. Yes we do need to see results in the short and medium term but for several seasons now we've seen teams being gutted and rebuilt almost from scratch every summer.
Having a style and methodology (and sticking to it) will hopefully lead to a point where transfers are about upgrading and evolving the team and not having to create one anew every year.
It's going to take time, patience and money to achieve and I am by no means saying it's guaranteed to succeed but I can understand what the idea is even if I'm still not 100% sold on the methods.
I think everything you write is totally reasonable, but for me I am too old for patience. I want results.
Me too --I've been patiently waiting since about 1957. True i wasn't there in the last Premier League years.but we never established ourselves, along with the elites.It has spiralled downward ever since.Fair enough we hadn't the financial backing like Manure Man,City Chelski, et al ,But all in all ,there didn't seem to be the passion ,to want to emulate,and/or build financial stability,Same old bad management. With our culture and history we have just as much right and claim ,to be up there, challenging them, Certainly above Millwall and Palarse
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
How would everyone feel if we were mid-table by November? Keep Garner or bin him off?
Depends doesn't it? If we sign Bellingham, Salah, Haaland and McKirdy before then and are still midtable I would bin him off....
I think is now a two year project, which is so frustrating because 14 months ago it was a one year one.
As it stands this squad would hammer the squad from this time last year but I am still not convinced it would beat the team we had at the end of the previous season. Which in its self wasn't quite good enough for a play off place.
Interesting but quite a pertinent question.to ask. Of note no one thought of manager J J, having a two year project. Fingers crossed Garner will have them fired up,,with nothing less than promotion in mind. If it does go wrong (heaven forbid) it could be a bleak November,Lets not forget J J had a period without two key strikers, Luck ,and remaining injury free ,to key players will also play its part, But when i think of luck i never think of Charlton
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
This is the bit I don't get. I know the transfer market isn't a one way street: clubs don't want to sell, other clubs want to buy as well etc etc.
But I seriously don't understand what the transfer policy is.
It's not cheap We are (have been) spending relatively large fees, and wages, on good, established, league 1 players with absolutely zero chance of selling them on for a profit. At the same time cutting corners with the squad. I can't square the circle with how that's logical.
To me there are 3 logical options (I don't necessarily agree with them but they at least make sense).
1) You spend money, not necessarily fees, on players and try and get promoted. 2) You spend money on young players, that you hope to "train on" and sell for a substantial profit. 3) You try and do it cheap and hope a couple of diamonds crop up and its enough to get you promoted.
We seem to have tried all 3 half hearted and ended up doing neither one thing nor another.
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
You do make TS sound quite a dimwit!!😂, I’d like to be a pound behind him and be so naive and stupid.
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
You do make TS sound quite a dimwit!!😂, I’d like to be a pound behind him and be so naive and stupid.
You’re nothing if not predictable, but what is your actual point beyond cheerleading? If it’s that TS is at this point a capable and successful leader of our football club I suggest you’re delusional.
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
You do make TS sound quite a dimwit!!😂, I’d like to be a pound behind him and be so naive and stupid.
He wouldn't be the first highly intelligent, highly successful business man to lose a fortune on a football club and achieve sod all, would he?
But not amazing that more people that Garner views as hidden gems used to play for Swindon.
Wonder if Wimbledon fans are talking about the hidden gems that Jackson is bringing in from Charlton....even then those Charlton players are dropping down a league rather than moving up one.
Don't think it is right to be immediately pessimistic that all our signings from lower leagues are necessarily bad but at the same time I can't see the premise to be overly optimistic that they're the second coming of Kinsella or Cullen.
Within 10 games we'll have an idea of where the team is at and the calibre of our players.
Until then it's mainly speculation and confirmation bias views to fit pessimistic/ optimistic outlooks on the signings.
I don’t know what to think. We wanted a clear out. We’re getting one. We wanted some goals from midfield. On the face of it Jack helps here. But the niggling feeling that we’re recruiting a bunch of league 2 players haunts me. Welcome aboard the good ship Swindo, sorry CAFC Jack. I hope you are a ray of light.
Just remind me Swindon finished in 6th position in Division 2 last season and now it’s expected that these same players push us on to The Championship.
Their form improved dramatically as the season progressed and they smashed all the positive stats associated with league two. They narrowly missed the playoffs and would almost certainly have been the favourites to win promotion as the in form team. They failed because Davidson, who was on loan to them at the time, missed a crucial penalty. Their poor early season form was largely their downfall.
I'm not sure that's an accurate representation of their season. If you look at their results they started the season pretty well, then has good spells and bad spells
They were 4th at the end of August, 5th at the end of October and 7th at the end of December and ultimately finished 6th. Yes they won their last 4 games to reach the playoffs, but in the previous 5 games only won 1 of them, losing 3.
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
You do make TS sound quite a dimwit!!😂, I’d like to be a pound behind him and be so naive and stupid.
You’re nothing if not predictable, but what is your actual point beyond cheerleading? If it’s that TS is at this point a capable and successful leader of our football club I suggest you’re delusional.
You of all people give someone stick for being predictable, pot and kettle I’m afraid. Airman you would find a problem in yourself if you was in charge of the club. I’m far from a cheerleader, just someone willing to let the past go and give people the benefit of doubt. Sorry if that upsets you and you’re little group of followers on here.as I always say provide definitive proof of wrong doing and I have no problem listening.
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
You do make TS sound quite a dimwit!!😂, I’d like to be a pound behind him and be so naive and stupid.
He wouldn't be the first highly intelligent, highly successful business man to lose a fortune on a football club and achieve sod all, would he?
Absolutely not, but he would have known and been advised as to the pitfalls, and it’s his money to do as he likes, none of ours.
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
You do make TS sound quite a dimwit!!😂, I’d like to be a pound behind him and be so naive and stupid.
He wouldn't be the first highly intelligent, highly successful business man to lose a fortune on a football club and achieve sod all, would he?
Absolutely not, but he would have known and been advised as to the pitfalls, and it’s his money to do as he likes, none of ours.
Of course its his money but do you think the Alan Sugar's of this world were taking their advice from Dave down the pub when they were losing fortunes?
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
You do make TS sound quite a dimwit!!😂, I’d like to be a pound behind him and be so naive and stupid.
You’re nothing if not predictable, but what is your actual point beyond cheerleading? If it’s that TS is at this point a capable and successful leader of our football club I suggest you’re delusional.
You of all people give someone stick for being predictable, pot and kettle I’m afraid. Airman you would find a problem in yourself if you was in charge of the club. I’m far from a cheerleader, just someone willing to let the past go and give people the benefit of doubt. Sorry if that upsets you and you’re little group of followers on here.as I always say provide definitive proof of wrong doing and I have no problem listening.
Depends what you mean by "wrongdoing". There's plenty of evidence that Sandgaard is cutting costs and overestimating a wide range of things such as commercial revenue. You choose to ignore it because you want to give him another chance to succeed. I think that's completely fair enough but it's also not unfair for others not to do the same.
So a divisive manager, with very patchy experience and success, hired by a narcissist who knows sod all about football, has essentially plundered his old club for a bunch of players who were so great that they were in league two in what should be the high point of their career and we have signed a half dozen academy players? Fabulous!
You must have been furious when we signed Nick Pope and Joe Aribo from non-league clubs. I mean, how good could they be if they're playing for Bury Town and Staines, ffs?
Not the same though is it? Pope and Aribo were about 19 when they were signed for their potential. I have no idea if this guy or any of the Swindon lads are any good but he’s a 27 year old player from League 2. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes but I do think it’s strange with all the Swindon connections and I believe it’s a concern. However the squad needed an overhaul and this is the level we’re looking at, hopefully it’s enough to push for promotion but I’m not sure it will be.
Absolutely this. Another big question is whether Garner is any good as a manager. I have no idea and I don’t think last season is enough evidence to be confident he is. I’m open minded.
What is clear is that a lot of recruitment / staffing decisions at the club are being financially driven, often around relatively small sums. Of course that is always true to some extent but you can’t argue we’re getting the best of L2 if that is compromised by what we’re willing to pay - the four may not be “L2 players” but that’s no different from saying we’re not a L1 club.
The five permanent signings will respectively be 28, 27, 26, 25 and 27 in the next few months - they are all mid-career rather than promising youngsters who are typical players moving up (and moving from Lincoln to Charlton is surely moving up). A great deal hangs on the manager’s ability to build a team.
Could it also be possible that another reason why TS hasn't thrown money at the squad is because he wants to see the impact Garner has as a manager? Playing it safe so to speak? If we are in a good position in January he may be more willing to use he's checkbook to help us get over the line.
Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
At this point there is a fair amount of evidence TS regularly overestimates what is achievable on and off the pitch - results, commercial revenue, attendances, international support - even disregarding his more outlandish rhetoric.
The problem with “playing it safe” is that the bill for being in L1 keeps on coming.
You do make TS sound quite a dimwit!!😂, I’d like to be a pound behind him and be so naive and stupid.
He wouldn't be the first highly intelligent, highly successful business man to lose a fortune on a football club and achieve sod all, would he?
Absolutely not, but he would have known and been advised as to the pitfalls, and it’s his money to do as he likes, none of ours.
Of course its his money but do you think the Alan Sugar's of this world were taking their advice from Dave down the pub when they were losing fortunes?
Is that what he has done?, you are far more ITK than me. I just try and do my bit go on a Saturday/ Tuesday, and support the team, and leave the politics to people that think they know best. If TS goes and someone else comes in I will go and do the same. There is a certain element of our fan base that will never be happy.
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Not that I have any complaints with our strategy this window. I feel in terms of squad numbers we are in a much better place than last season.
I think is now a two year project, which is so frustrating because 14 months ago it was a one year one.
As it stands this squad would hammer the squad from this time last year but I am still not convinced it would beat the team we had at the end of the previous season. Which in its self wasn't quite good enough for a play off place.
They narrowly missed the playoffs and would almost certainly have been the favourites to win promotion as the in form team. They failed because Davidson, who was on loan to them at the time, missed a crucial penalty.
Their poor early season form was largely their downfall.
It will be interesting to see how TS nerve holds, if it takes half a season for Garner to get his team on track.
But I seriously don't understand what the transfer policy is.
It's not cheap
We are (have been) spending relatively large fees, and wages, on good, established, league 1 players with absolutely zero chance of selling them on for a profit.
At the same time cutting corners with the squad. I can't square the circle with how that's logical.
To me there are 3 logical options (I don't necessarily agree with them but they at least make sense).
1) You spend money, not necessarily fees, on players and try and get promoted.
2) You spend money on young players, that you hope to "train on" and sell for a substantial profit.
3) You try and do it cheap and hope a couple of diamonds crop up and its enough to get you promoted.
We seem to have tried all 3 half hearted and ended up doing neither one thing nor another.
Wonder if Wimbledon fans are talking about the hidden gems that Jackson is bringing in from Charlton....even then those Charlton players are dropping down a league rather than moving up one.
Don't think it is right to be immediately pessimistic that all our signings from lower leagues are necessarily bad but at the same time I can't see the premise to be overly optimistic that they're the second coming of Kinsella or Cullen.
Within 10 games we'll have an idea of where the team is at and the calibre of our players.
Until then it's mainly speculation and confirmation bias views to fit pessimistic/ optimistic outlooks on the signings.
They were 4th at the end of August, 5th at the end of October and 7th at the end of December and ultimately finished 6th. Yes they won their last 4 games to reach the playoffs, but in the previous 5 games only won 1 of them, losing 3.