Very sad that people can hide behind social media and drive someone to this. We should be very careful as we have our fair share of the aforementioned idiots
What an interesting and worrying piece that was .Yet again the perils of Social Media laid bare in the most stark terms for all to see.
Sad to think those individuals responsible will have a victory to celebrate having achieved their goal and will now move on to finding their next target, coz haters gonna hate!
BBC tweeted about the death threats Michael Masi (F1 Director) received after the farce @ Abu Dhabi last year - Amount of vile scum who were saying the threats were justified as Masi just shouldn't have made the mistake in the first place...
All of them of course hiding behind celebrity or random profile pictures
The likes of twitter etc. are a great tool to keep up to date with events, before CharltonTV came along, it was the best way to paint a picture of a Charlton game for example, what with the Official account, and Louis Mendez providing updates.
Just because humans are entitled to their opinion, they often shouldn't be given a platform to voice it
Something need to be done ( I have no idea how ) to stop people being able to open fake profile accounts. Maybe an ID should be required and then it might make people think before mouthing off.
Musk was bang on the money re his takeover when he tried to get to the bottom of the number of real profiles I suspect there are significant numbers of fakes
Never had much time for Mr Scally and that was purely due to football rivalry, he didn't seem to like my football club and I certainly objected to that. However this story is shocking and I wish him all the best away from what can be a poisonous environment that is laid open and where decency for our fellow man is vulnerable to the worst of the internet and social media.
He says he has suffered a "relentless level of extreme personal abuse" from "a small, mindless but vocal group of individuals who have generally used the 'safety' of social media and other forums to pursue their hateful and malicious campaigns".
So Gillingham’s equivalent of this forum for example then.
Is this abuse any different to when we wanting Duchatelet out of the club?
Not for a minute saying it’s right for Scally to put with the constant abuse and for him enough was enough but for me it’s no different when we wanted the Belgian out.
Something need to be done ( I have no idea how ) to stop people being able to open fake profile accounts. Maybe an ID should be required and then it might make people think before mouthing off.
Musk was bang on the money re his takeover when he tried to get to the bottom of the number of real profiles I suspect there are significant numbers of fakes
In China, you have to register for all social media with your ID.
The Western mind sees this as an infringement of liberty....
I knew Paul Scally long before he took over Gillingham and while he was trying to get in with the spanners. In my dealings with him, I found him to a really good bloke. I don’t think he ever recovered from the loss of his young son from an accident at home and grief has a different effect on everyone. His dad was also my deputy head master at my secondary school.
He says he has suffered a "relentless level of extreme personal abuse" from "a small, mindless but vocal group of individuals who have generally used the 'safety' of social media and other forums to pursue their hateful and malicious campaigns".
So Gillingham’s equivalent of this forum for example then.
Is this abuse any different to when we wanting Duchatelet out of the club?
Not for a minute saying it’s right for Scally to put with the constant abuse and for him enough was enough but for me it’s no different when we wanted the Belgian out.
My take on this is that Paul Scally is giving an honest account of the effect online social Media abuse has had on his life, his family and friends, his love for the Club, and his mental health.
I'm not entirely sure of the relevance of your comparison. If, as you suggest, it's no different to us wanting Roland out, I don't see how that makes any difference to what Paul Scally has been through and what he's been driven to do.
We don't know exactly what the abuse suffered was, so how can you liken the two, or are you simply saying that different people will have different levels of tolerance before they snap.
I don't think I've fully grasped the point you're making.
Whilst social media can be - and frequently is - an excellent communication tool, there is no way I would contemplate being on Twitter or the like if I was a high profile figure. There are just too may trolls and idiots out there itching to hurl abuse and ill-informed and mindless criticism. How much of what they come out with online would they be prepared to say to the recipient's face ?
That is a very articulate and heartfelt statement from Paul Scally and I really do feel for him and his family.
I dont see how having to provide ID in order to set up an account is evasive to our freedom. I think it's more a case of companies like Twitter not being arsed to stop the fake profiles. More profiles registered mean higher revenues whether they are real or not doesnt matter. The people that set up these profiles and then use it to dish out abuse must be very sad individuals imo
Something need to be done ( I have no idea how ) to stop people being able to open fake profile accounts. Maybe an ID should be required and then it might make people think before mouthing off.
Musk was bang on the money re his takeover when he tried to get to the bottom of the number of real profiles I suspect there are significant numbers of fakes
In China, you have to register for all social media with your ID.
The Western mind sees this as an infringement of liberty....
But...at what price that liberty?
Helps them silence or disappear you if you post anything that contravenes the mandated view on matters I suppose.
Should absolutely not take direction on China on such matters and I'm glad the "western mind" is such a staunch proponent of liberty and freedom of thought and expression.
(Albeit there should be some accountability to assist in preventing loathsome trolling).
I've always thought if posters posted in real names on here they'd be less ascerbic exchanges. However having seen Facebook over the years I'm not so sure.
Very sad that people can hide behind social media and drive someone to this. We should be very careful as we have our fair share of the aforementioned idiots
The two most disgraceful examples are thankfully banned from CL……but sadly post elsewhere.
I've always thought if posters posted in real names on here they'd be less ascerbic exchanges. However having seen Facebook over the years I'm not so sure.
I've always thought if posters posted in real names on here they'd be less ascerbic exchanges. However having seen Facebook over the years I'm not so sure.
You're probably right Mr Trotta, but wouldn't it all be a bit "more tea vicar" and "after you Claude" if you know what I mean. I wonder if we have any Claude's on here!
I'm deeply shocked to hear you doubt my authenticity as a Swordfish.😎
He says he has suffered a "relentless level of extreme personal abuse" from "a small, mindless but vocal group of individuals who have generally used the 'safety' of social media and other forums to pursue their hateful and malicious campaigns".
So Gillingham’s equivalent of this forum for example then.
Is this abuse any different to when we wanting Duchatelet out of the club?
Not for a minute saying it’s right for Scally to put with the constant abuse and for him enough was enough but for me it’s no different when we wanted the Belgian out.
My take on this is that Paul Scally is giving an honest account of the effect online social Media abuse has had on his life, his family and friends, his love for the Club, and his mental health.
I'm not entirely sure of the relevance of your comparison. If, as you suggest, it's no different to us wanting Roland out, I don't see how that makes any difference to what Paul Scally has been through and what he's been driven to do.
We don't know exactly what the abuse suffered was, so how can you liken the two, or are you simply saying that different people will have different levels of tolerance before they snap.
I don't think I've fully grasped the point you're making.
“For the last couple of months, I’ve had extreme abuse, I’ve had criminal offences committed against myself, and I’m disappointed about governance in sport, that none of the governing bodies contacted me and stood up for the fact that things are not allowed, that’s one step too far,”
“I also ask the governing bodies in this country, that sometimes some of the fans have crossed the line, very far, and this is just acceptable. It’s been reported by the media as it’s normal and it’s actually not, and the governing bodies have a responsibility to make people aware that that is not what sport is about’
Above is an example of a former CEO of abuse suffered back at the time. People react in different ways.
Again I will say it’s not right what’s happened to Scally via social media or banners flown across his home ground. In my opinion the banner is no different to the bedsheet one
As he says this is a small and vocal group of individuals and not the whole fanbase of Gillingham but we had the same when individuals went out to Belgium and knocked on the parents door of a club employee. That was frowned upon by many on here as going too far and rightly so.
Scally could possibly have a case of harassment against this small minority but that’s his decision if he wishes to take that forward.
For his own sake fingers crossed that he will find a buyer for his club and move on.
He says he has suffered a "relentless level of extreme personal abuse" from "a small, mindless but vocal group of individuals who have generally used the 'safety' of social media and other forums to pursue their hateful and malicious campaigns".
So Gillingham’s equivalent of this forum for example then.
Is this abuse any different to when we wanting Duchatelet out of the club?
Not for a minute saying it’s right for Scally to put with the constant abuse and for him enough was enough but for me it’s no different when we wanted the Belgian out.
My take on this is that Paul Scally is giving an honest account of the effect online social Media abuse has had on his life, his family and friends, his love for the Club, and his mental health.
I'm not entirely sure of the relevance of your comparison. If, as you suggest, it's no different to us wanting Roland out, I don't see how that makes any difference to what Paul Scally has been through and what he's been driven to do.
We don't know exactly what the abuse suffered was, so how can you liken the two, or are you simply saying that different people will have different levels of tolerance before they snap.
I don't think I've fully grasped the point you're making.
“For the last couple of months, I’ve had extreme abuse, I’ve had criminal offences committed against myself, and I’m disappointed about governance in sport, that none of the governing bodies contacted me and stood up for the fact that things are not allowed, that’s one step too far,”
“I also ask the governing bodies in this country, that sometimes some of the fans have crossed the line, very far, and this is just acceptable. It’s been reported by the media as it’s normal and it’s actually not, and the governing bodies have a responsibility to make people aware that that is not what sport is about’
Above is an example of a former CEO of abuse suffered back at the time. People react in different ways.
Again I will say it’s not right what’s happened to Scally via social media or banners flown across his home ground. In my opinion the banner is no different to the bedsheet one
As he says this is a small and vocal group of individuals and not the whole fanbase of Gillingham but we had the same when individuals went out to Belgium and knocked on the parents door of a club employee. That was frowned upon by many on here as going too far and rightly so.
Scally could possibly have a case of harassment against this small minority but that’s his decision if he wishes to take that forward.
For his own sake fingers crossed that he will find a buyer for his club and move on.
It'd unfortunate for him that he's in a situation where it's for him to have to pursue. As an earlier poster alluded to, the focus for the authorities should be on doing something at the front end to prevent it from happening in the first place, deterring those inclined to behave in this way, rather than pushing the responsibility for obtaining redress onto the victims after the fact when they've already suffered all the heartache that goes with it.
I agree with your comments about some individuals also taking things too far at times in RD's case, although I don't agree with attempts to restrict people's rights to peacefully, or noisily for that matter, protest. I'm not suggesting you do either BTW.
Of course with RD we still have the spectre of him looming large in the background until we can recover our prized assets back from him. A few on here have reflected of late that the success in removing him seems a bit hollow with the benefit of hindsight, but I maintain he'd have sold anyway because of the losses, so the fan led activism was just one factor that helped nudge him closer to the door.
We know that Tony Keohane and Katrien Meire took two members of this forum to court on trumped up allegations that were laughed out of court by the judge, so manufactured weere they.
That didn't stop the whole process being expensive and stressful for the two people or the other forum members threatened with court action.
So I have no sympathy for Roland, KM or TK. If there were any real threats then they could have reported those to the police rather than making some up. To my knowledge they never did.
That's not to say that internet abuse and trolling (of which I have been a victim myself) are right or excusable but the liar banner is not an example of that.
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Sad to think those individuals responsible will have a victory to celebrate having achieved their goal and will now move on to finding their next target, coz haters gonna hate!
BBC tweeted about the death threats Michael Masi (F1 Director) received after the farce @ Abu Dhabi last year - Amount of vile scum who were saying the threats were justified as Masi just shouldn't have made the mistake in the first place...
All of them of course hiding behind celebrity or random profile pictures
The likes of twitter etc. are a great tool to keep up to date with events, before CharltonTV came along, it was the best way to paint a picture of a Charlton game for example, what with the Official account, and Louis Mendez providing updates.
Just because humans are entitled to their opinion, they often shouldn't be given a platform to voice it
Musk was bang on the money re his takeover when he tried to get to the bottom of the number of real profiles I suspect there are significant numbers of fakes
So Gillingham’s equivalent of this forum for example then.
Not for a minute saying it’s right for Scally to put with the constant abuse and for him enough was enough but for me it’s no different when we wanted the Belgian out.
The Western mind sees this as an infringement of liberty....
But...at what price that liberty?
My dealings with him over the years have been good I have to say although I know of others who would say differently.
I'm not entirely sure of the relevance of your comparison. If, as you suggest, it's no different to us wanting Roland out, I don't see how that makes any difference to what Paul Scally has been through and what he's been driven to do.
We don't know exactly what the abuse suffered was, so how can you liken the two, or are you simply saying that different people will have different levels of tolerance before they snap.
I don't think I've fully grasped the point you're making.
Whilst social media can be - and frequently is - an excellent communication tool, there is no way I would contemplate being on Twitter or the like if I was a high profile figure. There are just too may trolls and idiots out there itching to hurl abuse and ill-informed and mindless criticism. How much of what they come out with online would they be prepared to say to the recipient's face ?
That is a very articulate and heartfelt statement from Paul Scally and I really do feel for him and his family.
The people that set up these profiles and then use it to dish out abuse must be very sad individuals imo
Should absolutely not take direction on China on such matters and I'm glad the "western mind" is such a staunch proponent of liberty and freedom of thought and expression.
(Albeit there should be some accountability to assist in preventing loathsome trolling).
I'm deeply shocked to hear you doubt my authenticity as a Swordfish.😎
“For the last couple of months, I’ve had extreme abuse, I’ve had criminal offences committed against myself, and I’m disappointed about governance in sport, that none of the governing bodies contacted me and stood up for the fact that things are not allowed, that’s one step too far,”
“I also ask the governing bodies in this country, that sometimes some of the fans have crossed the line, very far, and this is just acceptable. It’s been reported by the media as it’s normal and it’s actually not, and the governing bodies have a responsibility to make people aware that that is not what sport is about’
Above is an example of a former CEO of abuse suffered back at the time. People react in different ways.
Again I will say it’s not right what’s happened to Scally via social media or banners flown across his home ground. In my opinion the banner is no different to the bedsheet one
As he says this is a small and vocal group of individuals and not the whole fanbase of Gillingham but we had the same when individuals went out to Belgium and knocked on the parents door of a club employee. That was frowned upon by many on here as going too far and rightly so.
Scally could possibly have a case of harassment against this small minority but that’s his decision if he wishes to take that forward.
For his own sake fingers crossed that he will find a buyer for his club and move on.
I agree with your comments about some individuals also taking things too far at times in RD's case, although I don't agree with attempts to restrict people's rights to peacefully, or noisily for that matter, protest. I'm not suggesting you do either BTW.
Of course with RD we still have the spectre of him looming large in the background until we can recover our prized assets back from him. A few on here have reflected of late that the success in removing him seems a bit hollow with the benefit of hindsight, but I maintain he'd have sold anyway because of the losses, so the fan led activism was just one factor that helped nudge him closer to the door.
That didn't stop the whole process being expensive and stressful for the two people or the other forum members threatened with court action.
So I have no sympathy for Roland, KM or TK. If there were any real threats then they could have reported those to the police rather than making some up. To my knowledge they never did.
That's not to say that internet abuse and trolling (of which I have been a victim myself) are right or excusable but the liar banner is not an example of that.