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EFL Considering end to the 3pm Blackout
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If people still want the live experience and I think the majority do then numbers will only be marginally impacted. Lots of people go not only for the football but to see friends, family and because they always do. Lots of others can’t attend for a myriad of reasons but would love to be able to see the games but currently can’t. There has to be a balanced way forward that suits both groups and clubs. I personally don’t use the illegal streaming option but if it was legal then I suspect many of those that do would prefer to give the £ to the club. At present CAFC get zip from me unless it’s one of the few games I can legitimately watch. That would change to a regular income if I could watch every game. There must be a way. There are people who can legitimately watch Charlton on a stream who live on the French coast that live closer to The Valley than I do.8
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I would dispute that streamed football on TV has that much effect on live attendances.Blucher said:The corollary of the EFL abolishing the 3pm blackout is that it helps clear the way for the biggest clubs to eventually start selling their own streams, which is what is attracting so many American investors to the Premier League. Why do you think Todd Boehly and his mates shelled out £4.25 billion for Chelsea earlier this year - it’s all about the potential to dramatically increase broadcasting income.As Kieran Maguire said, we football supporters see the game through an emotional lens; these people see it purely through a financial one. Just wait until American owners take control of 14 clubs in the Premier League (I think they’re up to 10 at present).
Once the 3pm blackout goes and domestic streaming is legitimised, it is bound to lead to smaller attendances at EFL games, as it increases and solidifies the growing number of armchair fans, including many of the next generation. You only have to look at midweek EFL attendances when Champions League games are on TV. The smaller number of away fans will also have an adverse impact on the atmosphere at games.
It’s a complex issue, given the availability of VPNs and streams already, but it will ultimately cannibalise attendances to a greater of lease degree and increase the already yawning gap between the have and have-nots.I also have zero faith in the EFL to get a decent deal. They are also more than happy to bend over on a regular basis to accommodate the Premier League and I see this as yet another example.
Are there comparative figures between midweek EFL games when there is European football on TV and evenings when there is nothing?
On Boxing Day afternoon, all the premier league fixtures will be streamed live (effectively free!) on Amazon. This may hit attendances slightly but is anybody seriously considering skipping the Charlton game because they could watch Leeds take on City on TV? Maybe the game should be moved to avoid the clash - I don't think so!
Of course, the EFL will not want to compete with really big games shown for free on TV (such as England in the world cup) but other industries have always had to cope with this situation. (I remember Mick Jagger getting really pissed off at a gig because the audience were more interested in the England score than the band!).0 -
The restrictions around live games in this country is bizarre, and not just for Saturday 3pm kick offs.
Last Sunday at 2pm there was:
Man Utd v Newcastle
Villa v Chelsea
Southampton v West Ham
Leeds v Arsenal
Only the game in bold was on tv. So unless you had a ticket for the other 3 games, which of course would be tough for fans of 3 teams who get 50-60k for their home games and probably had a 3k away allocation, then you couldn't (legally) watch the game in the UK.
Yet fans in most other countries could watch any game they wanted to. In 2022 for the best and most watched league in the world, that is crazy.3 -
it is the previous line you should have bolded - it was a lack of interest in pointless friendlies, not qualifiersChris_from_Sidcup said:
Isn't that the point of the Nations league? The crap teams do play in their own tournament (kind of), they play in Group D against similar crap teams.DOUCHER said:This will be the end of football as we know it - the vpn thing is already killing it and if this is the answer then we are fucked - a bit like the nations league as a remedy for the lack of interest in World Cup qualifiers - create another tournament nobodies interested in watching rather than solve the initial problem and demote the crap teams to their own tournament - this appears to be the efl trying to get paid for games that are currently being screened illegally - that is not the solution - the solution is to stop the streams getting out there - nobody could watch the games if they aren’t filmed - it’s that simple - anything that promotes armchair fanism and dissuades fans attending the live match will end up killing the game as we know and love it - it’s helping kill charlton right now, amongst other things
As for armchair fans helping to kill Charlton, i don't agree. What's helping to kill Charlton was stupid ticket prices and us being poor on the pitch. If we were top 2 with fair prices, i'm sure the attendances would be there. Yes of course you will get some fans who think sod this it's cold/raining i can't be arsed to go, but i still believe the majority of fans who want to go and watch games live will do so, and the fact it's on tv won't deter them.0 -
be interested to see the source of that - how much are midweek attendances down on Champions League nights compared to midweek games with no Champions League ?Blucher said:The corollary of the EFL abolishing the 3pm blackout is that it helps clear the way for the biggest clubs to eventually start selling their own streams, which is what is attracting so many American investors to the Premier League. Why do you think Todd Boehly and his mates shelled out £4.25 billion for Chelsea earlier this year - it’s all about the potential to dramatically increase broadcasting income.As Kieran Maguire said, we football supporters see the game through an emotional lens; these people see it purely through a financial one. Just wait until American owners take control of 14 clubs in the Premier League (I think they’re up to 10 at present).
Once the 3pm blackout goes and domestic streaming is legitimised, it is bound to lead to smaller attendances at EFL games, as it increases and solidifies the growing number of armchair fans, including many of the next generation. You only have to look at midweek EFL attendances when Champions League games are on TV. The smaller number of away fans will also have an adverse impact on the atmosphere at games.
It’s a complex issue, given the availability of VPNs and streams already, but it will ultimately cannibalise attendances to a greater of lesser degree and increase the already yawning gap between the have and have-nots.I also have zero faith in the EFL to get a decent deal. They are also more than happy to bend over on a regular basis to accommodate the Premier League and I see this as yet another example.1 -
The Stones were late on stage because they were watching the game.stevexreeve said:
I would dispute that streamed football on TV has that much effect on live attendances.Blucher said:The corollary of the EFL abolishing the 3pm blackout is that it helps clear the way for the biggest clubs to eventually start selling their own streams, which is what is attracting so many American investors to the Premier League. Why do you think Todd Boehly and his mates shelled out £4.25 billion for Chelsea earlier this year - it’s all about the potential to dramatically increase broadcasting income.As Kieran Maguire said, we football supporters see the game through an emotional lens; these people see it purely through a financial one. Just wait until American owners take control of 14 clubs in the Premier League (I think they’re up to 10 at present).
Once the 3pm blackout goes and domestic streaming is legitimised, it is bound to lead to smaller attendances at EFL games, as it increases and solidifies the growing number of armchair fans, including many of the next generation. You only have to look at midweek EFL attendances when Champions League games are on TV. The smaller number of away fans will also have an adverse impact on the atmosphere at games.
It’s a complex issue, given the availability of VPNs and streams already, but it will ultimately cannibalise attendances to a greater of lease degree and increase the already yawning gap between the have and have-nots.I also have zero faith in the EFL to get a decent deal. They are also more than happy to bend over on a regular basis to accommodate the Premier League and I see this as yet another example.
Are there comparative figures between midweek EFL games when there is European football on TV and evenings when there is nothing?
On Boxing Day afternoon, all the premier league fixtures will be streamed live (effectively free!) on Amazon. This may hit attendances slightly but is anybody seriously considering skipping the Charlton game because they could watch Leeds take on City on TV? Maybe the game should be moved to avoid the clash - I don't think so!
Of course, the EFL will not want to compete with really big games shown for free on TV (such as England in the world cup) but other industries have always had to cope with this situation. (I remember Mick Jagger getting really pissed off at a gig because the audience were more interested in the England score than the band!).0 -
There will always be interest to turn up to live games, I don't think it would die overnight. People go to music gigs, when you could easily argue "why bother when I can just listen to the CD at home".
The fair weather fans who already pick and choose their games might be less inclined to go, but in terms of Charlton would that equate to multiple thousands of people (who go regularly) suddenly not going? I don't think it would.0 -
And balanced against the streaming revenue the club would receive from fans like me who live in general too far away to regularly attend.CAFCTrev said:There will always be interest to turn up to live games, I don't think it would die overnight. People go to music gigs, when you could easily argue "why bother when I can just listen to the CD at home".
The fair weather fans who already pick and choose their games might be less inclined to go, but in terms of Charlton would that equate to multiple thousands of people? I don't think it would.1 -
Post covid, musician mates tell me attendances at gigs has dropped. People have got out of the habit.CAFCTrev said:There will always be interest to turn up to live games, I don't think it would die overnight. People go to music gigs, when you could easily argue "why bother when I can just listen to the CD at home".
The fair weather fans who already pick and choose their games might be less inclined to go, but in terms of Charlton would that equate to multiple thousands of people (who go regularly) suddenly not going? I don't think it would.
Just my opinion, but 3PM games on the TV, with the likes of Charlton up against the top Premier League teams will see many young people not even getting into the habit.
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Attendances will fall,how many supporters all over the country are struggling to make ends meet without the added cost of watching football.Match ticket,possible pint and pie,cost of getting there,£40-50 for what could possibly be a shit day out.1
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Apologies "EFL" in this context is my shorthand for the EFL executive. That executive is supposedly appointed to represent the constituent 72 clubs' interests.Chizz said:
Who would you say comprises the EFL?Billy_Mix said:
"Helping clubs" will be way down any list of EFL's considerations, if any such list ever exists. No such list will actually be debated.benjest1989 said:Sounds like they would be exclusive rights, so the clubs wouldn't be able to sell games themselves. Depends how much the EFL can sell these for as to whether it will help clubs.
EFL's single criterion will be: immediate cash payment to EFL.
They haven't cared about anything else for a decade at least and have demonstrated no capability to think about anything else for nearly as long.
The 72 are in the hands of a witless whore, which will do absolutely anything, no matter how demeaning, if it thinks the payment is high enough.
Everything else is window dressing that fools nobody.
Harsh experience has shown us that those clubs' "interest" is appraised solely in bare cash terms.
Title sponsorship for the league competition sold to an online betting brand, essentially pushing gambling to all ages
Slow to impement restrictions on gambling sponsorship on shirts - individual clubs took the lead on keeping those brands off kids sized merch
Satellite telly picks the schedule for the token number of live televised matches, without consultation
The "gambling brand name EFL rewards" app marketed to all ages - more direct pushing of gambling towards the young
League cup competition title sponsorship sold to a caffeine sugary drink brand (we'd never previously heard of)
Other EFL cup competition sold to a junk food company
EFL executive consistently reluctant and terribly slow to punish flagrant repetitive rule breaking by the likes of Sheff W and Birmingham.
But stuck the boot into Wigan quick as a flash when the EFL approved owners showed up as bogus.
Our own experience of their complacent disinterest in troublesome/dubious ownership.
Just a quick sample of EFL executive's disregard for any factor beyond immediate liquid cash paid directly to EFL.0 -
I'm surprised the Premier League still don't have their own streaming platform out there - a way for them to make more money, and for fans to pay a fee to watch games that aren't already on TV. Dipping their toe in with Amazon but that's only a couple of midweeks during an entire 38 game season.Chris_from_Sidcup said:The restrictions around live games in this country is bizarre, and not just for Saturday 3pm kick offs.
Last Sunday at 2pm there was:
Man Utd v Newcastle
Villa v Chelsea
Southampton v West Ham
Leeds v Arsenal
Only the game in bold was on tv. So unless you had a ticket for the other 3 games, which of course would be tough for fans of 3 teams who get 50-60k for their home games and probably had a 3k away allocation, then you couldn't (legally) watch the game in the UK.
Yet fans in most other countries could watch any game they wanted to. In 2022 for the best and most watched league in the world, that is crazy.
It's been proven over and over again that the majority of people tend not to pirate content if it's made accessible legally and for a reasonable fee. There'll always be a few exceptions but people tend to want to support their club.1 -
We’ll have to agree to disagree - what we didn’t need was another meaningless international tournament - we need the existing ones made more competitive - agreed pricing and team performance is a big factor at charlton atm but matches on tv are killing live attendance as well - no question about itChris_from_Sidcup said:
Isn't that the point of the Nations league? The crap teams do play in their own tournament (kind of), they play in Group D against similar crap teams.DOUCHER said:This will be the end of football as we know it - the vpn thing is already killing it and if this is the answer then we are fucked - a bit like the nations league as a remedy for the lack of interest in World Cup qualifiers - create another tournament nobodies interested in watching rather than solve the initial problem and demote the crap teams to their own tournament - this appears to be the efl trying to get paid for games that are currently being screened illegally - that is not the solution - the solution is to stop the streams getting out there - nobody could watch the games if they aren’t filmed - it’s that simple - anything that promotes armchair fanism and dissuades fans attending the live match will end up killing the game as we know and love it - it’s helping kill charlton right now, amongst other things
As for armchair fans helping to kill Charlton, i don't agree. What's helping to kill Charlton was stupid ticket prices and us being poor on the pitch. If we were top 2 with fair prices, i'm sure the attendances would be there. Yes of course you will get some fans who think sod this it's cold/raining i can't be arsed to go, but i still believe the majority of fans who want to go and watch games live will do so, and the fact it's on tv won't deter them.0 -
So why have premier league matches not been shown on tv on a Saturday at 3pm so far ?stevexreeve said:
I would dispute that streamed football on TV has that much effect on live attendances.Blucher said:The corollary of the EFL abolishing the 3pm blackout is that it helps clear the way for the biggest clubs to eventually start selling their own streams, which is what is attracting so many American investors to the Premier League. Why do you think Todd Boehly and his mates shelled out £4.25 billion for Chelsea earlier this year - it’s all about the potential to dramatically increase broadcasting income.As Kieran Maguire said, we football supporters see the game through an emotional lens; these people see it purely through a financial one. Just wait until American owners take control of 14 clubs in the Premier League (I think they’re up to 10 at present).
Once the 3pm blackout goes and domestic streaming is legitimised, it is bound to lead to smaller attendances at EFL games, as it increases and solidifies the growing number of armchair fans, including many of the next generation. You only have to look at midweek EFL attendances when Champions League games are on TV. The smaller number of away fans will also have an adverse impact on the atmosphere at games.
It’s a complex issue, given the availability of VPNs and streams already, but it will ultimately cannibalise attendances to a greater of lease degree and increase the already yawning gap between the have and have-nots.I also have zero faith in the EFL to get a decent deal. They are also more than happy to bend over on a regular basis to accommodate the Premier League and I see this as yet another example.
Are there comparative figures between midweek EFL games when there is European football on TV and evenings when there is nothing?
On Boxing Day afternoon, all the premier league fixtures will be streamed live (effectively free!) on Amazon. This may hit attendances slightly but is anybody seriously considering skipping the Charlton game because they could watch Leeds take on City on TV? Maybe the game should be moved to avoid the clash - I don't think so!
Of course, the EFL will not want to compete with really big games shown for free on TV (such as England in the world cup) but other industries have always had to cope with this situation. (I remember Mick Jagger getting really pissed off at a gig because the audience were more interested in the England score than the band!).0 -
90% of the qualifiers r foregone conclusions as well so they have no more interest than a friendly to meMrOneLung said:
it is the previous line you should have bolded - it was a lack of interest in pointless friendlies, not qualifiersChris_from_Sidcup said:
Isn't that the point of the Nations league? The crap teams do play in their own tournament (kind of), they play in Group D against similar crap teams.DOUCHER said:This will be the end of football as we know it - the vpn thing is already killing it and if this is the answer then we are fucked - a bit like the nations league as a remedy for the lack of interest in World Cup qualifiers - create another tournament nobodies interested in watching rather than solve the initial problem and demote the crap teams to their own tournament - this appears to be the efl trying to get paid for games that are currently being screened illegally - that is not the solution - the solution is to stop the streams getting out there - nobody could watch the games if they aren’t filmed - it’s that simple - anything that promotes armchair fanism and dissuades fans attending the live match will end up killing the game as we know and love it - it’s helping kill charlton right now, amongst other things
As for armchair fans helping to kill Charlton, i don't agree. What's helping to kill Charlton was stupid ticket prices and us being poor on the pitch. If we were top 2 with fair prices, i'm sure the attendances would be there. Yes of course you will get some fans who think sod this it's cold/raining i can't be arsed to go, but i still believe the majority of fans who want to go and watch games live will do so, and the fact it's on tv won't deter them.0 -
Well, if there's a move to end the 3pm blackout then it's only going to be for the benefit of the Big Boys and clubs like Charlton can go fuck themselves as far as they're concerned.
If you think that's a good idea then fine, but I can't see any real upside for the likes of us.4 -
Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
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On what basis? I really don't get why you would think that uncommitted kids would tune in to watch third tier Charlton rather than Premier League Palace, and even if they did, then pester their dad to take them to a cold wet Valley rather than the comfort of their living room, as that is what they are used to?Dave2l said:Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
Also interested why you think potential buyers would look down the schedule of forty plus matches on their TV guide (if you count only EPL and EFL fixtures) and go "Let's watch this mid-table third division club rather than one at the top of the second or first tier"?
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But why does anyone go to watch Charlton in the first place when there are so many bigger clubs you could be watching? I ask myself that every time I set out on my trips to the Valley?Algarveaddick said:
On what basis? I really don't get why you would think that uncommitted kids would tune in to watch third tier Charlton rather than Premier League Palace, and even if they did, then pester their dad to take them to a cold wet Valley rather than the comfort of their living room, as that is what they are used to?Dave2l said:Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
Also interested why you think potential buyers would look down the schedule of forty plus matches on their TV guide (if you count only EPL and EFL fixtures) and go "Let's watch this mid-table third division club rather than one at the top of the second or first tier"?
Why do teenagers insist on watching small indie bands that nobody's ever heard of in grotty pubs or clubs when they could go and see Billy Joel in Hyde Park?
Why do teenagers watch rubbish on BBC3 when they could be watching MidSomer Murders?
Money may be part of it. But when I was young you could go to a division one match for the same price as a division 3 game. And people still supported their local club. Sometimes they supported somebody else's local club.
It's far more complicated than we imagine, and we need to at least do some trials to find the best way before technology decides for us! I suspect there is some hard data about the effect of televised games on midweek attendances and that evidence will be affecting the EFL's thinking.
In the eighties I was so against the idea of showing any football live on TV! I assumed that nobody would ever want to actually go to a match when you could watch from the armchair. All I saw was one of my passions being stolen from me by money grabbing TV executives!
I was wrong.
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I believe that most youngsters who end up supporting their local club get taken to there by an older person. Generally on a Saturday afternoon, mostly after getting into football after seeing it on the tele. I don't think I would be far off the mark to say that most youngesters very first football experience is not a live game? I think most initially follow a team they see on the TV, it may only be a few weeks before they go and see the real thing and turn to the team they end up supporting, but I don't think most are automatically Crawley, Colchester or Charlton fans? Some will have been steeped in it from birth, I know, but many wont. If their first experience is being able to see every single game "their" team plays on the TV, I wonder if uncle Graham, or cousin Lily will be able to drag them away from watching Arsenal on the TV to see Charlton v Accrington instead?stevexreeve said:
But why does anyone go to watch Charlton in the first place when there are so many bigger clubs you could be watching? I ask myself that every time I set out on my trips to the Valley?Algarveaddick said:
On what basis? I really don't get why you would think that uncommitted kids would tune in to watch third tier Charlton rather than Premier League Palace, and even if they did, then pester their dad to take them to a cold wet Valley rather than the comfort of their living room, as that is what they are used to?Dave2l said:Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
Also interested why you think potential buyers would look down the schedule of forty plus matches on their TV guide (if you count only EPL and EFL fixtures) and go "Let's watch this mid-table third division club rather than one at the top of the second or first tier"?
Why do teenagers insist on watching small indie bands that nobody's ever heard of in grotty pubs or clubs when they could go and see Billy Joel in Hyde Park?
Why do teenagers watch rubbish on BBC3 when they could be watching MidSomer Murders?
Money may be part of it. But when I was young you could go to a division one match for the same price as a division 3 game. And people still supported their local club. Sometimes they supported somebody else's local club.
It's far more complicated than we imagine, and we need to at least do some trials to find the best way before technology decides for us! I suspect there is some hard data about the effect of televised games on midweek attendances and that evidence will be affecting the EFL's thinking.
In the eighties I was so against the idea of showing any football live on TV! I assumed that nobody would ever want to actually go to a match when you could watch from the armchair. All I saw was one of my passions being stolen from me by money grabbing TV executives!
I was wrong.
I agree there will be some who naturally rebel against the mob ( I am very much in that camp myself ), but will that be enough to sustain clubs like ours?
I can understand what you say about trials, but have you noticed how very hard it is for them to put these Genie's back in the bottle once they have been released?
While live TV didn't kill attendances, look what it has lead to. A colossal imbalance in the income of football clubs. I know that the top clubs always enjoyed a bigger slice of the pie, but they didn't cut themselves off and form their own elite organisation, force "smaller" clubs to accept their rules and even end up playing to a different set of laws to the rest!
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Algarveaddick said:
On what basis? I really don't get why you would think that uncommitted kids would tune in to watch third tier Charlton rather than Premier League Palace, and even if they did, then pester their dad to take them to a cold wet Valley rather than the comfort of their living room, as that is what they are used to?Dave2l said:Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
Also interested why you think potential buyers would look down the schedule of forty plus matches on their TV guide (if you count only EPL and EFL fixtures) and go "Let's watch this mid-table third division club rather than one at the top of the second or first tier"?
It's a form of advertisement. All you need to do is put the tv on.
If players always know they are being filmed on a live stream for UK viewers, then they will likely be a bit more motivated to put in a better performance.
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I admire your optimism Dave.Dave2l said:Algarveaddick said:
On what basis? I really don't get why you would think that uncommitted kids would tune in to watch third tier Charlton rather than Premier League Palace, and even if they did, then pester their dad to take them to a cold wet Valley rather than the comfort of their living room, as that is what they are used to?Dave2l said:Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
Also interested why you think potential buyers would look down the schedule of forty plus matches on their TV guide (if you count only EPL and EFL fixtures) and go "Let's watch this mid-table third division club rather than one at the top of the second or first tier"?
It's a form of advertisement. All you need to do is put the tv on.
If players always know they are being filmed on a live stream for UK viewers, then they will likely be a bit more motivated to put in a better performance.
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LolDave2l said:Algarveaddick said:
On what basis? I really don't get why you would think that uncommitted kids would tune in to watch third tier Charlton rather than Premier League Palace, and even if they did, then pester their dad to take them to a cold wet Valley rather than the comfort of their living room, as that is what they are used to?Dave2l said:Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
Also interested why you think potential buyers would look down the schedule of forty plus matches on their TV guide (if you count only EPL and EFL fixtures) and go "Let's watch this mid-table third division club rather than one at the top of the second or first tier"?
It's a form of advertisement. All you need to do is put the tv on.
If players always know they are being filmed on a live stream for UK viewers, then they will likely be a bit more motivated to put in a better performance.
(That is meant to be a joke, isnt it? )0 -
Real life X desperation²/ charlton fan =Algarveaddick said:
I admire your optimism Dave.Dave2l said:Algarveaddick said:
On what basis? I really don't get why you would think that uncommitted kids would tune in to watch third tier Charlton rather than Premier League Palace, and even if they did, then pester their dad to take them to a cold wet Valley rather than the comfort of their living room, as that is what they are used to?Dave2l said:Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
Also interested why you think potential buyers would look down the schedule of forty plus matches on their TV guide (if you count only EPL and EFL fixtures) and go "Let's watch this mid-table third division club rather than one at the top of the second or first tier"?
It's a form of advertisement. All you need to do is put the tv on.
If players always know they are being filmed on a live stream for UK viewers, then they will likely be a bit more motivated to put in a better performance.
optimistic dave2 -
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LolDave2l said:Algarveaddick said:
On what basis? I really don't get why you would think that uncommitted kids would tune in to watch third tier Charlton rather than Premier League Palace, and even if they did, then pester their dad to take them to a cold wet Valley rather than the comfort of their living room, as that is what they are used to?Dave2l said:Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
Also interested why you think potential buyers would look down the schedule of forty plus matches on their TV guide (if you count only EPL and EFL fixtures) and go "Let's watch this mid-table third division club rather than one at the top of the second or first tier"?
It's a form of advertisement. All you need to do is put the tv on.
If players always know they are being filmed on a live stream for UK viewers, then they will likely be a bit more motivated to put in a better performance.
(That is meant to be a joke, isnt it? )
What's funny about it?
In a few years...
Dobson gives Stockley a gentle nudge and says rumour has it pep guardiola is going to be scouting our game on his phone via the sky sports app!
You better put in a good performance this afternoon if you wanna get noticed for your big move!
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Wow, you were serious?Dave2l said:Off_it said:
LolDave2l said:Algarveaddick said:
On what basis? I really don't get why you would think that uncommitted kids would tune in to watch third tier Charlton rather than Premier League Palace, and even if they did, then pester their dad to take them to a cold wet Valley rather than the comfort of their living room, as that is what they are used to?Dave2l said:Weigh up the pros and cons of this...then overall, I think it would be a good idea and I think it would benefit Charlton.
Also think it would attract an increase of potential buyers.
Would home attendance take a further knock?
Initially, yes, It probably would. That would only be the beginning of it.
I think for the long run, it would help to give our home attendance a boost
Also interested why you think potential buyers would look down the schedule of forty plus matches on their TV guide (if you count only EPL and EFL fixtures) and go "Let's watch this mid-table third division club rather than one at the top of the second or first tier"?
It's a form of advertisement. All you need to do is put the tv on.
If players always know they are being filmed on a live stream for UK viewers, then they will likely be a bit more motivated to put in a better performance.
(That is meant to be a joke, isnt it? )
What's funny about it?
In a few years...
Dobson gives Stockley a gentle nudge and says rumour has it pep guardiola is going to be scouting our game on his phone via the sky sports app!
You better put in a good performance this afternoon if you wanna get noticed for your big move!
2 hours later, Charlton thrash Yeovil 6-1
A reason why the 3pm blackout should be lifted is that you think it will encourage players to play better in the hope they will get a move away?
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EFL announces landmark broadcasting deal with Sky Sports
Article 48 to remain
The new deal allows for ‘Article 48’, the blocked broadcast period between 2.45pm and 5.15pm on Saturday afternoons to remain, meaning that main broadcast fixtures will be scheduled for outside of this time. Final fixture slots will be confirmed at a later date.
https://www.efl.com/news/2023/may/efl-announces-landmark-broadcasting-deal-with-sky-sports
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Having read the details of the agreement, because of Article 48, it will mean more games in the Championship, League 1 and 2 will be moved from the traditional 15.00 KO on a Saturday. This does not come into efect until season 2024, but expect several games to be rearranged during that season. Perhaps its an arguement for buying a season ticket next season, especially for the long distant supporters like me!0
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The Premier League will increase the number of live televised fixtures in the UK from 200 to around 270 in its next rights cycle.
Five live packages of between 42 and 65 games are going up for tender in a four-year deal from the 2025-26 season.
The Saturday afternoon 3pm blackout will remain in place but every 2pm Sunday kick-off will be televised.
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Suspect their having to throw games at broadcasters to get the money requiredclive said:The Premier League will increase the number of live televised fixtures in the UK from 200 to around 270 in its next rights cycle.
Five live packages of between 42 and 65 games are going up for tender in a four-year deal from the 2025-26 season.
The Saturday afternoon 3pm blackout will remain in place but every 2pm Sunday kick-off will be televised.
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