Everyone said the same about Garner. Irrelevant how good a coach he is with this squad. It needs investment and rebuilding. Any coach or manager needs Sandgaard to spend money and be left alone.
Everyone said the same about Garner. Irrelevant how good a coach he is with this squad. It needs investment and rebuilding. Any coach or manager needs Sandgaard to spend money and be left alone.
Not really irrelevant. A good coach will play to players strengths and get players like innis to put his boot through it rather than be a playmaker at the back.
A good coach will instruct players to get crosses into dangerous positions for stockley to attack.
poor coaching plays just a big a part as poor performances on the pitch.
I’m not ignoring it. I’m completely aware of it and I agree with you.
I even said myself getting rid of Garner was the wrong decision because there wouldn’t be much better available and the problems run far deeper than just getting a new manager in. I compared it to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It doesn’t need to be said again and again.
What I’ve read on here over the last 24 hours from some folks is that Holden is a poor choice and others have even gone as far as to say we’re nailed on for League Two.
Those are the people I’m posting articles, podcasts and managerial record for.
Everyone said the same about Garner. Irrelevant how good a coach he is with this squad. It needs investment and rebuilding. Any coach or manager needs Sandgaard to spend money and be left alone.
Not really irrelevant. A good coach will play to players strengths and get players like innis to put his boot through it rather than be a playmaker at the back.
A good coach will instruct players to get crosses into dangerous positions for stockley to attack.
poor coaching plays just a big a part as poor performances on the pitch.
Not doing those things doesn’t make Garner a bad coach. One view is more about short term results, the other about a style for the longer term.
The issue was Sandgaard wanted the results and the style but had neither the patience or funding that Garner needed.
Everyone said the same about Garner. Irrelevant how good a coach he is with this squad. It needs investment and rebuilding. Any coach or manager needs Sandgaard to spend money and be left alone.
Not really irrelevant. A good coach will play to players strengths and get players like innis to put his boot through it rather than be a playmaker at the back.
A good coach will instruct players to get crosses into dangerous positions for stockley to attack.
poor coaching plays just a big a part as poor performances on the pitch.
Not doing those things doesn’t make Garner a bad coach. One view is more about short term results, the other about a style for the longer term.
The issue was Sandgaard wanted the results and the style but had neither the patience or funding that Garner needed.
With us plunging towards a local derby with Sutton United, short term results must be the priority now
Someone said it on here after Saturday, the issue runs deeper than the Manager and even the Players
We've had the likes of Martin and Thomas strolling around Sparrows Lane like they own the place, unable to keep their gobs shut (Conor Washington being told things he shouldnt for example, what else are they telling in "confidence" to players which is creating potential disharmony) - It sounds like its been akin to a school playground with mistrust created by those who should be staying out the way at the top.
I might be chatting bullshit, but we've seen the players putting in performances (So it must be the Managers fault), we've also seen efforts in recent weeks (So it must be the players fault) - But have always believed the issue runs deeper than those two simple factors.
Scott Fraser for example got picked out after Saturday as being another dud, am sorry but enough players dont come to Charlton with reputations (Scott was questioned if he could cope with Championship Football, not 18th in League One), and then turn to shit, same with four Managers now - Hopefully the Sandgaard's kept well away from Sparrows Lane going forward whatever the fuck happens
Everyone said the same about Garner. Irrelevant how good a coach he is with this squad. It needs investment and rebuilding. Any coach or manager needs Sandgaard to spend money and be left alone.
Not really irrelevant. A good coach will play to players strengths and get players like innis to put his boot through it rather than be a playmaker at the back.
A good coach will instruct players to get crosses into dangerous positions for stockley to attack.
poor coaching plays just a big a part as poor performances on the pitch.
Not doing those things doesn’t make Garner a bad coach. One view is more about short term results, the other about a style for the longer term.
The issue was Sandgaard wanted the results and the style but had neither the patience or funding that Garner needed.
There were a few flaws in garners plan that he wouldn't temporarily change. I get that he was shafted by Tommy but he never adapted to use what he had
I’m not ignoring it. I’m completely aware of it and I agree with you.
I even said myself getting rid of Garner was the wrong decision because there wouldn’t be much better available and the problems run far deeper than just getting a new manager in. I compared it to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It doesn’t need to be said again and again.
What I’ve read on here over the last 24 hours from some folks is that Holden is a poor choice and others have even gone as far as to say we’re nailed on for League Two.
Those are the people I’m posting articles, podcasts and managerial record for.
Cool. Yeh no idea if he’s a good appointment or not. Not the most experienced but we’ll see.
I'm sure it must have been mentioned on here but Holden got himself sent off against us in the Cup in the same Bolton side that beat us 1-0 as Mark Fish and Claus Jensen:
Not long after, Holden would have his own, painful taste of his manager’s authority.
‘I got sent off in the FA Cup quarter-final against Charlton after sticking my forehead too close to John Robinson,’ he remembers. ‘I instantly regretted it. Big Sam came up the tunnel after the game and did the same to me! Then he screamed, "Did you touch him?"
‘I told him I wasn’t sure. He told me I had let my team-mates down and fined me two weeks wages – he wants you to intimidate the opposition but he’s big on discipline.’
That intimidation, says Holden who made more than 400 appearances in a 16-year career, even stretched to the pre-match warm-ups.
‘We arrived at games half an hour before kick-off already stripped and went straight on to the pitch to warm up,’ he says. ‘He used to have us warming up on the same side of the pitch as the opposition!’
Holden, 36, believes his former boss is like no other and remembers Allardyce’s willingness to embrace innovation.
‘I’d broken my leg and we were big on visualisation at the time,’ he adds.
So (performance director) Mike Forde had me out on the training pitch doing one on one sessions. I’m stood in the full back position communicating, moving my feet and visualising opponents – he saw that as a way of getting me up to speed quicker!’
The broken leg throws up another tale.
‘He visited me in hospital,’ Holden says. 'It was deadline day so I was really pleased he’d made the effort. He brought me a gift, a four pack of Carling, but with only three cans in it - he told me three was enough and not to drink them all at once.’
Former Oldham Athletic captain Holden, whose clubs include Peterborough United, Falkirk and Shrewsbury Town, thinks that England’s players will love playing under his former boss.
‘He takes a keen interest in you and builds a relationship,’ he says.
‘He wants to know what makes you tick, who you support, what your hobbies are and he treats everyone differently.’
Holden believes Allardyce’s ability to create a siege mentality will serve him well at this stage in England’s history and that he will almost be able bring a club team mentality at national level.
‘He will create a club-like mentality where everyone is in it together,’ he says, before closing with a statement that could be music to the ears of every England player and fan.
‘The players will know exactly what is expected of them. They will enjoy working with him because everyone will feel valued. He is an inspirational leader.’
Everyone said the same about Garner. Irrelevant how good a coach he is with this squad. It needs investment and rebuilding. Any coach or manager needs Sandgaard to spend money and be left alone.
Not really irrelevant. A good coach will play to players strengths and get players like innis to put his boot through it rather than be a playmaker at the back.
A good coach will instruct players to get crosses into dangerous positions for stockley to attack.
poor coaching plays just a big a part as poor performances on the pitch.
Not doing those things doesn’t make Garner a bad coach. One view is more about short term results, the other about a style for the longer term.
The issue was Sandgaard wanted the results and the style but had neither the patience or funding that Garner needed.
There were a few flaws in garners plan that he wouldn't temporarily change. I get that he was shafted by Tommy but he never adapted to use what he had
I’d say he did, he switched to 4-4-2 with two strikers and then Leaburn got injured meaning we had to use midfielders or wingers up front.
Everyone said the same about Garner. Irrelevant how good a coach he is with this squad. It needs investment and rebuilding. Any coach or manager needs Sandgaard to spend money and be left alone.
Not really irrelevant. A good coach will play to players strengths and get players like innis to put his boot through it rather than be a playmaker at the back.
A good coach will instruct players to get crosses into dangerous positions for stockley to attack.
poor coaching plays just a big a part as poor performances on the pitch.
Not doing those things doesn’t make Garner a bad coach. One view is more about short term results, the other about a style for the longer term.
The issue was Sandgaard wanted the results and the style but had neither the patience or funding that Garner needed.
With us plunging towards a local derby with Sutton United, short term results must be the priority now
Yes that’s fair enough and possibly how TS is looking at it. Nothing to suggest Holden is a manager who plays a high pressing possession style.
Everyone said the same about Garner. Irrelevant how good a coach he is with this squad. It needs investment and rebuilding. Any coach or manager needs Sandgaard to spend money and be left alone.
Not really irrelevant. A good coach will play to players strengths and get players like innis to put his boot through it rather than be a playmaker at the back.
A good coach will instruct players to get crosses into dangerous positions for stockley to attack.
poor coaching plays just a big a part as poor performances on the pitch.
Not doing those things doesn’t make Garner a bad coach. One view is more about short term results, the other about a style for the longer term.
The issue was Sandgaard wanted the results and the style but had neither the patience or funding that Garner needed.
There were a few flaws in garners plan that he wouldn't temporarily change. I get that he was shafted by Tommy but he never adapted to use what he had
I’d say he did, he switched to 4-4-2 with two strikers and then Leaburn got injured meaning we had to use midfielders or wingers up front.
I know what I mean but it's not coming out the way I want it. Before I dig myself deeper, I will climb out the hole and walk away when I still can 😬
Everyone said the same about Garner. Irrelevant how good a coach he is with this squad. It needs investment and rebuilding. Any coach or manager needs Sandgaard to spend money and be left alone.
Not really irrelevant. A good coach will play to players strengths and get players like innis to put his boot through it rather than be a playmaker at the back.
A good coach will instruct players to get crosses into dangerous positions for stockley to attack.
poor coaching plays just a big a part as poor performances on the pitch.
Not doing those things doesn’t make Garner a bad coach. One view is more about short term results, the other about a style for the longer term.
The issue was Sandgaard wanted the results and the style but had neither the patience or funding that Garner needed.
There were a few flaws in garners plan that he wouldn't temporarily change. I get that he was shafted by Tommy but he never adapted to use what he had
I’d say he did, he switched to 4-4-2 with two strikers and then Leaburn got injured meaning we had to use midfielders or wingers up front.
I know what I mean but it's not coming out the way I want it. Before I dig myself deeper, I will climb out the hole and walk away when I still can 😬
Are you trying to say he refused to play direct defensive football and grind out results? Probably fair but it’s not the only way to improve results.
Charlton Athletic are delighted to confirm the appointment of four, experienced professionals in senior roles at the club.
Dean Holden has been appointed as men’s first-team Manager, Andy Scott has been appointed as Technical Director, Jim Rodwell has been appointed as Chief Operating Officer and Ed Warrick has been appointed as Finance Director.
Charlton Owner, Thomas Sandgaard, said: “I am delighted we have been able to appoint such experienced and knowledgeable people to help us move forward.
“Each individual appointed has experience at Championship level or higher and the appointments should give us the structure and stability that we need to progress as a club.
“When the men’s first-team is successful, it lifts the entire club, which is why the additions on the footballing side are so important. Dean Holden is a talented manager, who is well-respected in footballing circles. He’ll bring good experience and knowledge which will help us as we look to get our season back on track.
“I am really pleased we have been able to bring in Andy Scott. He is a highly-regarded individual who has played an important role in the success of a number of clubs and has the vision, skillset and contacts to help move the club forward. He’ll play a key role in the January transfer window and longer term will help further align the direction of our men’s first team and academy.
“The appointment of Jim Rodwell gives us senior leadership, on the ground at The Valley. He has excellent experience and I have been very impressed with what I have seen already.
“Ed Warrick is an excellent professional and will be the perfect replacement for Emma Parker, who leaves her role at the end of the week.”
Caretaker Manager, Anthony Hayes, will take Wednesday’s Carabao Cup tie against Brighton & Hove Albion before returning to his role as men’s first-team coach to support Holden. Scott Marshall will continue as men’s first-team assistant coach. Jason Pearce, who has been assisting Hayes, will return to his role with the club’s U18s team.
Sandgaard added: “I would like to thank Anthony and the team for stepping up in the interim and managing the side during this challenging period.”
A press conference with Dean Holden will take place this week.
Dean Holden
Holden is a former professional footballer who played 427 games in his career. Since finishing he has managed Oldham Athletic and in the Championship at Bristol City, where he was Assistant Manager from 2016-2020 before becoming manager in 2020.
Andy Scott
Scott, also a former professional footballer, played 396 games in his career. Since retiring, he has established himself in Premier League and Championship backroom roles at Brentford, Watford, Swansea City and Nottingham Forest. Scott will work alongside Director of Recruiting, Steve Gallen, and Director of Analytics, Martin Sandgaard.
Jim Rodwell
Rodwell is a former professional footballer who most recently served as the interim CEO of Championship side, Hull City. He has previously sat on the board of both the EFL and the FA Council. He was also Director of Football and then Chairman at Boston United before spells as Chief Executive at numerous clubs including Sunderland.
Ed Warrick
Warrick is a Financial Director with experience at Premier League level, as well as working with numerous clubs at a lower level.
The Addicks host Premier League side Brighton & Hove Albion at The Valley in the Carabao Cup on Wednesday. Adult tickets cost just £15. Click here to purchase your tickets.
Sorry if this has been mentioned before but Rodwell's last 2 jobs were Sunderland and Hull, and looks as though he was brought into both clubs to ensure a takeover went smoothly (Louis-Dreyfus at Sunderland and the Turkish group at Hull)
Thanks Callum. I've just listened to the podcast & have much more confidence in Holden than I did before. He talks a great deal of sense & I wish him well. Who knows how he'll be?
If this bunch have taken on their roles without the promise (which must be acted on) of substantial money to spend in the January window they are mugs and should all feck off.
Charlton Athletic are delighted to confirm the appointment of four, experienced professionals in senior roles at the club.
Dean Holden has been appointed as men’s first-team Manager, Andy Scott has been appointed as Technical Director, Jim Rodwell has been appointed as Chief Operating Officer and Ed Warrick has been appointed as Finance Director.
Charlton Owner, Thomas Sandgaard, said: “I am delighted we have been able to appoint such experienced and knowledgeable people to help us move forward.
“Each individual appointed has experience at Championship level or higher and the appointments should give us the structure and stability that we need to progress as a club.
“When the men’s first-team is successful, it lifts the entire club, which is why the additions on the footballing side are so important. Dean Holden is a talented manager, who is well-respected in footballing circles. He’ll bring good experience and knowledge which will help us as we look to get our season back on track.
“I am really pleased we have been able to bring in Andy Scott. He is a highly-regarded individual who has played an important role in the success of a number of clubs and has the vision, skillset and contacts to help move the club forward. He’ll play a key role in the January transfer window and longer term will help further align the direction of our men’s first team and academy.
“The appointment of Jim Rodwell gives us senior leadership, on the ground at The Valley. He has excellent experience and I have been very impressed with what I have seen already.
“Ed Warrick is an excellent professional and will be the perfect replacement for Emma Parker, who leaves her role at the end of the week.”
Caretaker Manager, Anthony Hayes, will take Wednesday’s Carabao Cup tie against Brighton & Hove Albion before returning to his role as men’s first-team coach to support Holden. Scott Marshall will continue as men’s first-team assistant coach. Jason Pearce, who has been assisting Hayes, will return to his role with the club’s U18s team.
Sandgaard added: “I would like to thank Anthony and the team for stepping up in the interim and managing the side during this challenging period.”
A press conference with Dean Holden will take place this week.
Dean Holden
Holden is a former professional footballer who played 427 games in his career. Since finishing he has managed Oldham Athletic and in the Championship at Bristol City, where he was Assistant Manager from 2016-2020 before becoming manager in 2020.
Andy Scott
Scott, also a former professional footballer, played 396 games in his career. Since retiring, he has established himself in Premier League and Championship backroom roles at Brentford, Watford, Swansea City and Nottingham Forest. Scott will work alongside Director of Recruiting, Steve Gallen, and Director of Analytics, Martin Sandgaard.
Jim Rodwell
Rodwell is a former professional footballer who most recently served as the interim CEO of Championship side, Hull City. He has previously sat on the board of both the EFL and the FA Council. He was also Director of Football and then Chairman at Boston United before spells as Chief Executive at numerous clubs including Sunderland.
Ed Warrick
Warrick is a Financial Director with experience at Premier League level, as well as working with numerous clubs at a lower level.
The Addicks host Premier League side Brighton & Hove Albion at The Valley in the Carabao Cup on Wednesday. Adult tickets cost just £15. Click here to purchase your tickets.
For once good football people with football knowledge
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So far there's so much bullshit and contradiction around I doubt anyone knows who is doing what or when it is supposed to be done by.
poor coaching plays just a big a part as poor performances on the pitch.
I even said myself getting rid of Garner was the wrong decision because there wouldn’t be much better available and the problems run far deeper than just getting a new manager in. I compared it to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It doesn’t need to be said again and again.
What I’ve read on here over the last 24 hours from some folks is that Holden is a poor choice and others have even gone as far as to say we’re nailed on for League Two.
The issue was Sandgaard wanted the results and the style but had neither the patience or funding that Garner needed.
We've had the likes of Martin and Thomas strolling around Sparrows Lane like they own the place, unable to keep their gobs shut (Conor Washington being told things he shouldnt for example, what else are they telling in "confidence" to players which is creating potential disharmony) - It sounds like its been akin to a school playground with mistrust created by those who should be staying out the way at the top.
I might be chatting bullshit, but we've seen the players putting in performances (So it must be the Managers fault), we've also seen efforts in recent weeks (So it must be the players fault) - But have always believed the issue runs deeper than those two simple factors.
Scott Fraser for example got picked out after Saturday as being another dud, am sorry but enough players dont come to Charlton with reputations (Scott was questioned if he could cope with Championship Football, not 18th in League One), and then turn to shit, same with four Managers now - Hopefully the Sandgaard's kept well away from Sparrows Lane going forward whatever the fuck happens
Not long after, Holden would have his own, painful taste of his manager’s authority.
‘I got sent off in the FA Cup quarter-final against Charlton after sticking my forehead too close to John Robinson,’ he remembers. ‘I instantly regretted it. Big Sam came up the tunnel after the game and did the same to me! Then he screamed, "Did you touch him?"
‘I told him I wasn’t sure. He told me I had let my team-mates down and fined me two weeks wages – he wants you to intimidate the opposition but he’s big on discipline.’
That intimidation, says Holden who made more than 400 appearances in a 16-year career, even stretched to the pre-match warm-ups.
‘We arrived at games half an hour before kick-off already stripped and went straight on to the pitch to warm up,’ he says. ‘He used to have us warming up on the same side of the pitch as the opposition!’
Holden, 36, believes his former boss is like no other and remembers Allardyce’s willingness to embrace innovation.
‘I’d broken my leg and we were big on visualisation at the time,’ he adds.
So (performance director) Mike Forde had me out on the training pitch doing one on one sessions. I’m stood in the full back position communicating, moving my feet and visualising opponents – he saw that as a way of getting me up to speed quicker!’
The broken leg throws up another tale.
‘He visited me in hospital,’ Holden says. 'It was deadline day so I was really pleased he’d made the effort. He brought me a gift, a four pack of Carling, but with only three cans in it - he told me three was enough and not to drink them all at once.’
Former Oldham Athletic captain Holden, whose clubs include Peterborough United, Falkirk and Shrewsbury Town, thinks that England’s players will love playing under his former boss.
‘He takes a keen interest in you and builds a relationship,’ he says.
‘He wants to know what makes you tick, who you support, what your hobbies are and he treats everyone differently.’
Holden believes Allardyce’s ability to create a siege mentality will serve him well at this stage in England’s history and that he will almost be able bring a club team mentality at national level.
‘He will create a club-like mentality where everyone is in it together,’ he says, before closing with a statement that could be music to the ears of every England player and fan.
‘The players will know exactly what is expected of them. They will enjoy working with him because everyone will feel valued. He is an inspirational leader.’
That IS a good sign at least. He is confident that he will be recruiting within the window.
You can't lie to and frustrate any manager straight away.
Even if TS will be gritting his teeth and not liking the outgoings, I think certain promises will have to be kept, and they will be
Scott Marshall will continue as men’s first-team assistant coach
First time its actually been mentioned that he's still around, havent seen him mentioned since Garner was sacked
Charlton Athletic are delighted to confirm the appointment of four, experienced professionals in senior roles at the club.
Dean Holden has been appointed as men’s first-team Manager, Andy Scott has been appointed as Technical Director, Jim Rodwell has been appointed as Chief Operating Officer and Ed Warrick has been appointed as Finance Director.
Charlton Owner, Thomas Sandgaard, said: “I am delighted we have been able to appoint such experienced and knowledgeable people to help us move forward.
“Each individual appointed has experience at Championship level or higher and the appointments should give us the structure and stability that we need to progress as a club.
“When the men’s first-team is successful, it lifts the entire club, which is why the additions on the footballing side are so important. Dean Holden is a talented manager, who is well-respected in footballing circles. He’ll bring good experience and knowledge which will help us as we look to get our season back on track.
“I am really pleased we have been able to bring in Andy Scott. He is a highly-regarded individual who has played an important role in the success of a number of clubs and has the vision, skillset and contacts to help move the club forward. He’ll play a key role in the January transfer window and longer term will help further align the direction of our men’s first team and academy.
“The appointment of Jim Rodwell gives us senior leadership, on the ground at The Valley. He has excellent experience and I have been very impressed with what I have seen already.
“Ed Warrick is an excellent professional and will be the perfect replacement for Emma Parker, who leaves her role at the end of the week.”
Caretaker Manager, Anthony Hayes, will take Wednesday’s Carabao Cup tie against Brighton & Hove Albion before returning to his role as men’s first-team coach to support Holden. Scott Marshall will continue as men’s first-team assistant coach. Jason Pearce, who has been assisting Hayes, will return to his role with the club’s U18s team.
Sandgaard added: “I would like to thank Anthony and the team for stepping up in the interim and managing the side during this challenging period.”
A press conference with Dean Holden will take place this week.
Dean Holden
Holden is a former professional footballer who played 427 games in his career. Since finishing he has managed Oldham Athletic and in the Championship at Bristol City, where he was Assistant Manager from 2016-2020 before becoming manager in 2020.
Andy Scott
Scott, also a former professional footballer, played 396 games in his career. Since retiring, he has established himself in Premier League and Championship backroom roles at Brentford, Watford, Swansea City and Nottingham Forest. Scott will work alongside Director of Recruiting, Steve Gallen, and Director of Analytics, Martin Sandgaard.
Jim Rodwell
Rodwell is a former professional footballer who most recently served as the interim CEO of Championship side, Hull City. He has previously sat on the board of both the EFL and the FA Council. He was also Director of Football and then Chairman at Boston United before spells as Chief Executive at numerous clubs including Sunderland.
Ed Warrick
Warrick is a Financial Director with experience at Premier League level, as well as working with numerous clubs at a lower level.
The Addicks host Premier League side Brighton & Hove Albion at The Valley in the Carabao Cup on Wednesday. Adult tickets cost just £15. Click here to purchase your tickets.
He may flourish under a different coaching style, but him staying does not fill me with confidence.
I've just listened to the podcast & have much more confidence in Holden than I did before.
He talks a great deal of sense & I wish him well.
Who knows how he'll be?