Not afraid to admit I may have been wrong to mug him off prior to his appointment. He's got some fight into our side which has been absent for far too long. Hope it continues.
Bowyer and Jacko apart - I have not taken to any of the multiple managers since Powells appointment - especially intensely disliked the succession of network managers. Then Slade, Robinson, Atkins - meh!
Holden is a breath of fresh air though, proper football man - knows the game and not tainted by association with the Belgian goon. Early days of course.
I was very skeptical of Holden when he came in. Lower league journeyman and had the feeling of a lower league journeyman coach in the making. He spoke critically of possession football, and that set alarm bells ringing for me given this was a squad largely built for possession football.
But I have been really impressed so far. Not just at the results, which have been really good, and the performances, but at the man management, the tactical tweaks he's made, and how well he comes across in interviews.
It's obviously very early. I had similar concerns about Jacko, particularly how well he would adapt to adversity, and he didn't do that well. But Holden has shown a tactical flexibility that I quite like. Started three teenagers up front today and got a lot out of them.
Garner was excellent at winning possession stats, but not so good at winning football matches. Holden is taking advantage of Garners input, by working with players who's passing and ball procession has improved, but combined that with his own, no nonsense, more direct style, to actually get wins on the board.
I get the feeling that the planets are aligning at just the right time.
Getting O'Connell back is huge. If we can hang on to Leaburn and Raksaki and add a couple more, we could have an exciting run up into the playoffs.
I'm not getting too carried away yet as i was impressed with how we looked early on under Garner and Jackson. But the signs are definitely promising so far.
2 tough games next though but if we can come through those with 4 points then we can start to believe. Hopefully the injuries to Sess and Kane are not too bad though.
This is a bunch of absurd gobbledigook. The truth is, he got Leaburn back from injury and asked the defenders to go safety-first if in doubt, while organising our defensive shape a little more carefully. That's it.
This is a bunch of absurd gobbledigook. The truth is, he got Leaburn back from injury and asked the defenders to go safety-first if in doubt, while organising our defensive shape a little more carefully. That's it.
I agree Leuth, I don’t think Leaburn is fully fit yet, but having him back has made a big difference, especially with Stockley not scoring goals, and Chuks being out of action again.
This is a bunch of absurd gobbledigook. The truth is, he got Leaburn back from injury and asked the defenders to go safety-first if in doubt, while organising our defensive shape a little more carefully. That's it.
Agreed. He's done a good job so far but Curbs was saying decades ago that on a bad run you just go back to the basics. It's not easy (you have to pick up morale and get fed up players to buy into you) but it's simple enough.
warming to him but we’ve been here before with jacko ten games and they were done so we’ll see. I think our last two at least jacko and garner maybe 3’s biggest issue is reluctance to change the formation regardless of personnel or performance. He was brave Saturday dropping sc am and cbt
Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
So the lessen is that we need to keep sacking managers! Give them 10 games, then get rid of them once the new manager bounce has stopped
Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
So the lessen is that we need to keep sacking managers! Give them 10 games, then get rid of them once the new manager bounce has stopped
Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
I think only Sandgaard was saying that tbh.
That’s just not true mate, everybody was impressed at a similar .4-5 games in. Read the bottom half of this page which covered this period, or the Plymouth post match thread
Leaburn hasn’t scored any in this 3 game winning streak . Hes been a nuisance but his shooting boots aren’t working currently
This is true and he isn't the finished article but the system with him and the two wide players does pose a threat and this is something we haven't done enough of recently. Having said that, what will be interesting in the context of this season is when we play a crap team that parks the bus. To be fair to Lincoln, they didn't so we haven't come up against one of those yet under Holden. Sort that out and it will look extremely positive.
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Could well be a new manager bounce but feel he's justified giving him the next season to see how far he can go with us.
Fair play though, have felt for a while that these players needed snapping in half with some tough love
But I have been really impressed so far. Not just at the results, which have been really good, and the performances, but at the man management, the tactical tweaks he's made, and how well he comes across in interviews.
It's obviously very early. I had similar concerns about Jacko, particularly how well he would adapt to adversity, and he didn't do that well. But Holden has shown a tactical flexibility that I quite like. Started three teenagers up front today and got a lot out of them.
Long may it continue.
Holden is taking advantage of Garners input, by working with players who's passing and ball procession has improved, but combined that with his own, no nonsense, more direct style, to actually get wins on the board.
I get the feeling that the planets are aligning at just the right time.
Getting O'Connell back is huge. If we can hang on to Leaburn and Raksaki and add a couple more, we could have an exciting run up into the playoffs.
2 tough games next though but if we can come through those with 4 points then we can start to believe. Hopefully the injuries to Sess and Kane are not too bad though.
I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but even so, living in Devon or Cornwall ain't managing Charlton is it
Hes been a nuisance but his shooting boots aren’t working currently
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/94039/next-manager-ben-garner-confirmed-p256/p281
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/94569/post-match-thread-charlton-athletic-v-plymouth-argyle-tuesday-16th-august-2022/p1