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USER POLL; Garner - Kept or Released?

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  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,355
    Released
    The boot.  He should of done much better with the sublime footballing resourses made available to him by a rock star in wating chairman.

    Thomas Sandgaard
  • johnny73
    johnny73 Posts: 4,567
    Kept
    We need stability. Wouldn't have been a great season with an incomplete squad but our chances of relegation have now increased.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    edited December 2022
    Released
    Unless he was sacked because of the takeover, I cannot see the point, whoever is appointed will be in the same position. Without financial backing, noone will succeed,  especially if MS appoints him 😖🙁😠
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    edited December 2022
    Kept
    Kept

    He hadnt been given the tools to do a proper job. No left back & a serious lack of striker/ attackers. No midfield playmaker & too many fancy Dan's.

    Also, you can't keep sacking managers just because they lose a game or two. You need stability before you can start rebuilding a team good enough to get promotion. 

    Constant sackings won't get you anywhere, apart from relegation. 
  • Jonniesta
    Jonniesta Posts: 1,153
    Kept
    Kept. Don't see how we're any better off without him. Seems like we have 1 fewer piece of the jigsaw. Believe that leaves us with... err... 1 piece left? Sorry, George, guessing you're off in January so we can truly start at nothing. 
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,164
    edited December 2022
    Released
    Released.

    It’s fine wanting to play a more attractive style of football but if you don’t have the players, then find a system that works for what we have.

    I think Stockley epitomises this, he clearly can score goals in this league he’s proved that and it’s hardly surprising that we’re struggling because of not utilising his strengths.

    Use the transfer windows, assuming there’s backing, to bring in the right players to play your preferred system/style. He didn’t appear to recognise that and therefore its a flaw in his ability or skill set!
  • th0rryy
    th0rryy Posts: 360
    Kept
    He is a young, passionate manager that was warming to many fans for the things he said and the way he went about things. Quite honestly, I don't think he could have done much more with the cards he was dealt. He wasn't backed at all in getting the players he wanted and was attempting to get the players to play a progressive style of football that, I believe (if invested properly into) could have taken us to success.

    Managers need time and investment, and he was given neither. It's a complete joke tbh. Not given the tools to do this job properly at all. He may not have been the messiah and may have still struggled this season, but his sacking sums up the utter insanity at ownership level. A lot of the players that he inherited are massively underperforming and this is why we are where we are. The uncertainty over the managers we have had means the players never have any certainty over their future or how they are managed. Only through investment in the squad could we have ever judged him fairly.

    Total mess of a sacking that I still struggle to understand and I fear could drag us into the relegation scrap without swift action taken to replace. Praying for another Xmas miracle to save us from more ownership charlatans.
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,836
    Kept
    I think we are more likely to get in a relegation fight now he has gone. Not great to be fair, but was never given the tools to do the job. Sandgaard was and remains the problem.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,850
    Released
    I don't normally advocate sacking managers as I think stability is needed and at least a few windows to get in the right players, etc,

    But there's little doubt in my mind this is what he was angling for all along with the various comments he made starting a few weeks back, in which case he then had to go. No boss can tolerate an employee calling them out and trying to make them look bad to their paying customers, regardless of the rights and wrongs of it. From that point onwards binning him was the only option.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,850
    Released
    PS. Why does the poll say "released" rather than "sacked", which is what actually happened.
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  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,145
    Kept
    Utterly ludicrous decision. Never played his first XI, because players were either injured or in the case of the striker, never arrived. And the timing, just before a window, jeez. Sandgaard lost me with this. 
  • Kept
    Kept

    We're in desperate need of stability, and a squad, and an owner not on a lunatic ego trip, and... and...
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,970
    Kept
    Kept. What is the point of firing an unsupported manager when the next one will be just as unsupported?
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Kept
    Despite being convinced that he would accumulate less points than Johnnie Jackson(who overachieved in my opinion)  I wanted him to stay to see if he could get blood from a stone or would realize he had to compromise. I will go to my grave believing you play to the strengths of the players you have at your disposal. To have players like Inniss and Lavelle and think you can play out from the back was misguided. 
    All football folk knew we were screwed once the window shut and that includes Garner and Gallen who knew we hadn't been backed by Sandgaard.

    Stockley has gone from a decent League 1 player who could score if he had a partner who Sheff Wednesday wanted to a player who would struggle to get a game at Bromley.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    edited December 2022
    Kept
    Deserved longer. One transfer window to change he the playing philosophy with a bunch of freebie signings isn’t enough to expect instant results. 
  • Kept
    Adkins is the only sacking I’ve agreed with so far
  • Kept
    Stitched up by TS. Didn't stand a chance really.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,035
    Kept
    Kept - deserved more time , the level of transformation he wanted to make in terms of playing style was never going to be done in one transfer window with limited backing and then the injuries to the likes of Egbo, O'Connell and Leaburn struck. 
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,343
    edited December 2022
    Released
    Should never have got the job. Once he did he needed to be pragmatic and prioritising getting points in the bag, the style seemed to take more preference with him. The dropping of Dobson was baffling, the not learning from Stockley being isolated at the start of last season (says he watched all the games on DvD), the picking of Macgilvary once Jojo was injured but AMB was back.

    He was totally stiched up by the Sandgaard family in terms of the squad he gave him, but have no sympathy for him as he signed up for it.

    In a dream world If I had won the Euro Millions Rollover Rollover type win, I would have moved him on the minute I had done the deal with TS.

    It will now probably get worse as no one of any note will want this job but that is not the question asked
  • RickAddick
    RickAddick Posts: 1,198
    Kept
    Kept 
    Need a better understanding of exactly what is going on at SL before I would vote to rid.
    Complex situation and need to understand what was promised, what has / hasn’t happened and what BG has tried do.
    Don't think yo can realistically make a judgement with out a good understanding and timeline of events
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  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,127
    Kept
    Seemed fair to have at least given him the two cup games, now we’ve just flushed those even further down the toilet…
  • Kept
    Ben Garner stuck to the owner's brief at Bristol Rovers and it cost him his job, he's just done the same at Charlton. 

    Perhaps we'll never know how good he could be.  Maybe he should just play to the strengths of the available players and forget about the delusions of grandeur that rain down from above.
  • Released
    Was losing it big time. 
  • Released
    Clearly angling for it. No point keeping a manager who's heart isn't in it for any reason, especially when you are hurtling down towards relegation spots.  Need a Warnock type to rabble rouse and get the dressing room into that sort of siege mentality.  The issue is that TS will put someone cheap in charge (ie Hayes) so we will likely go down anyway.
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    Kept, he joined Adkins and Jackson who were undone by Sandgaards Bullshit. I understand that people think the next manager will do better, not under Sandgaard they won't. 
  • Kept
    I liked his football ethos. I think with good players, better players than Charlton gave him I think he would be a very good manager. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    edited December 2022
    Released
    Victim of the poisoned chalice ........ horrendous injury list, incomplete squad and not given sufficient tools to do a proper job; tried to make a silk purse from a sow's ear .... and not given enough time to turn things round.

    But in some ways, architect of his own downfall.

    Garner had some good ideas, but trying to persist with Garnerball with key players missing; too few players who were suited or those just not capable of playing the gameplan quickly enough.

    The team were physically and mentally a soft touch, lacking clear direction and leadership, and creativity to break down packed defences.
    The sacred cow of possession football for the sake of it, instead of making the result the priority.

    And then to cap it all, there were his sniping comments of a frustrated and unhappy manager - clearly directed at the owner.
    That's a red light in any business. Whatever people think of Sandgard, no owner is going to tolerate that kind of behaviour for long.

    Feel a bit sorry for the bloke; he never got the breaks or much luck ..... but there was much he could have done differently.




  • Kept
    We'll never know what he could have done or how good a manager he is. He was fucked before he started.
  • RedRobin
    RedRobin Posts: 1,377
    Kept
    Wasn’t backed and was given hardly anytime to do anything. 
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,548
    Kept
    Kept but not bothered hes gone