Well done for not naming Lincs. It’s not my bag (literally), but none of us are perfect and like it or not, recreational drugs are widespread in society.
I’m not excusing or defending it any way, but such public shaming / humiliation for him and his family for such a minor offence seems unfair to me.
He’s a lifelong fan who has clocked up many miles following us over decades. Hope he doesn’t suffer too badly as a result.
He most definitely should not be named and shamed - he was caught and has paid a price and that should be that.
But - any discussions about de-criminalising drugs aside, the supply and use of cocaine (a Class A substance) regardless of how widespread it may be should not be trivialised as simply using a 'recreational drug' and a 'minor offence'. I've seen too many lives destroyed by drugs, especially cocaine.
Not to start a massive conversation and have this thread veer wildly off course, but surely the same must be applied to alcohol then? I would imagine far more people's lives are destroyed by alcohol abuse than drug abuse. Easier to fuck your life up with the bottle than with anything else
Maybe. It's not however illegal. But people do not consider how drugs get into the country & in the hands of users; the whole chain of crime / violence / exploitation / sex & people trafficking / tax evasion / county lines etc etc. It is not a harmless thing to use.
Well done for not naming Lincs. It’s not my bag (literally), but none of us are perfect and like it or not, recreational drugs are widespread in society.
I’m not excusing or defending it any way, but such public shaming / humiliation for him and his family for such a minor offence seems unfair to me.
He’s a lifelong fan who has clocked up many miles following us over decades. Hope he doesn’t suffer too badly as a result.
He most definitely should not be named and shamed - he was caught and has paid a price and that should be that.
But - any discussions about de-criminalising drugs aside, the supply and use of cocaine (a Class A substance) regardless of how widespread it may be should not be trivialised as simply using a 'recreational drug' and a 'minor offence'. I've seen too many lives destroyed by drugs, especially cocaine.
Not to start a massive conversation and have this thread veer wildly off course, but surely the same must be applied to alcohol then? I would imagine far more people's lives are destroyed by alcohol abuse than drug abuse. Easier to fuck your life up with the bottle than with anything else
Maybe. It's not however illegal. But people do not consider how drugs get into the country & in the hands of users; the whole chain of crime / violence / exploitation / sex & people trafficking / tax evasion / county lines etc etc. It is not a harmless thing to use.
Exactly this, I despise the whole 'it's only a bit of Charlie' attitude currently pervading society in this country. Yes it can ruin the life of the taker but the bigger picture is that thousands of people, both guilty and wholly innocent, have been murdered because of this vile drug, and continue to be murdered to this day. I wonder if people would be so keen to stick it up their noses if it was cut with the blood of the innocent people who have died because of its trade?
Well done for not naming Lincs. It’s not my bag (literally), but none of us are perfect and like it or not, recreational drugs are widespread in society.
I’m not excusing or defending it any way, but such public shaming / humiliation for him and his family for such a minor offence seems unfair to me.
He’s a lifelong fan who has clocked up many miles following us over decades. Hope he doesn’t suffer too badly as a result.
He most definitely should not be named and shamed - he was caught and has paid a price and that should be that.
But - any discussions about de-criminalising drugs aside, the supply and use of cocaine (a Class A substance) regardless of how widespread it may be should not be trivialised as simply using a 'recreational drug' and a 'minor offence'. I've seen too many lives destroyed by drugs, especially cocaine.
Not to start a massive conversation and have this thread veer wildly off course, but surely the same must be applied to alcohol then? I would imagine far more people's lives are destroyed by alcohol abuse than drug abuse. Easier to fuck your life up with the bottle than with anything else
Maybe. It's not however illegal. But people do not consider how drugs get into the country & in the hands of users; the whole chain of crime / violence / exploitation / sex & people trafficking / tax evasion / county lines etc etc. It is not a harmless thing to use.
Exactly this, I despise the whole 'it's only a bit of Charlie' attitude currently pervading society in this country. Yes it can ruin the life of the taker but the bigger picture is that thousands of people, both guilty and wholly innocent, have been murdered because of this vile drug, and continue to be murdered to this day. I wonder if people would be so keen to stick it up their noses if it was cut with the blood of the innocent people who have died because of its trade?
Aren’t those terrible activities which are prevalent in the illegal narcotics supply chain entirely because those drugs are illegal in most country? I doubt nearly as much sex trafficking or whatever goes on in the international alcohol industry, mainly because in (most of the world) that business can be conducted above board.
Feel sorry for this bloke, he shouldn’t have done it, I don’t condone it, but the sentence (having to hand your passport in whenever England play overseas because you got caught doing a line at Burtons ground?) and particularly the public naming and shaming is ott.
Well done for not naming Lincs. It’s not my bag (literally), but none of us are perfect and like it or not, recreational drugs are widespread in society.
I’m not excusing or defending it any way, but such public shaming / humiliation for him and his family for such a minor offence seems unfair to me.
He’s a lifelong fan who has clocked up many miles following us over decades. Hope he doesn’t suffer too badly as a result.
He most definitely should not be named and shamed - he was caught and has paid a price and that should be that.
But - any discussions about de-criminalising drugs aside, the supply and use of cocaine (a Class A substance) regardless of how widespread it may be should not be trivialised as simply using a 'recreational drug' and a 'minor offence'. I've seen too many lives destroyed by drugs, especially cocaine.
Not to start a massive conversation and have this thread veer wildly off course, but surely the same must be applied to alcohol then? I would imagine far more people's lives are destroyed by alcohol abuse than drug abuse. Easier to fuck your life up with the bottle than with anything else
at most very well attended away games I've been to over the past two seasons or so, an increase in (especially but not exclusively) younger Addicks fans who are off, or nearly off their heads, has been noticeable .. no doubt in my mind that the taking of both booze AND drugs is responsible .. this has increased in (e.g.) a careless or insulting attitude towards other fans, trashing toilets, flare throwing and totally unwarranted abuse shouted at players during and after the game ..
Fans of all nations at the current world cup in a muslim nation where drinking to excess and drug taking are not tolerated, have been pretty well behaved, except for a few cases of over exuberance.
In my opinion alcohol should not be sold inside football stadia, anyone who can't go without having a beer or six for a couple of hours has a problem. The issue of course is that overpriced beer sold inside the grounds brings in a nice tidy few quid for the club. Of course, there are few if any controls that can be brought in to 'control' boozing outside the stadium except to refuse admission. How often does this happen ?
Give it 15 year into drugs being legalised and I reckon the Government will have £Billions to pay out in lawsuits, for not protecting the public.
Tobacco companies and, to lesser extent, alcoholic drinks companies and gambling companies have had, or are having, their products banned from pretty much all types of advertising, to protect people from getting into trouble, so what makes people going legalising recreational drugs is going to happen, or should happen
If he was caught doing it in the toilets of a pub, the bouncer would've nicked it off him and (probably) chucked him out. But do it at football and he gets a 3 year ban.
Give it 15 year into drugs being legalised and I reckon the Government will have £Billions to pay out in lawsuits, for not protecting the public.
Tobacco companies and, to lesser extent, alcoholic drinks companies and gambling companies have had, or are having, their products banned from pretty much all types of advertising, to protect people from getting into trouble, so what makes people going legalising recreational drugs is going to happen, or should happen
A lot of USA states have legalised the use and possession of cannabis, though both are still federal crimes. What is happening ? .. a new type of crime wave, legalised cannabis shops and providers being robbed for their stock and a reported increase in illegal cannabis cultivation. why ? .. the theory is that most states have put a very high tax on the legalised sellers and cultivators, so the villains spot a market for their stolen or illegally grown 'product', cos after all, possession is now legal and it's difficult to tell the difference between illegally or legally obtained puff
Well done for not naming Lincs. It’s not my bag (literally), but none of us are perfect and like it or not, recreational drugs are widespread in society.
I’m not excusing or defending it any way, but such public shaming / humiliation for him and his family for such a minor offence seems unfair to me.
He’s a lifelong fan who has clocked up many miles following us over decades. Hope he doesn’t suffer too badly as a result.
He most definitely should not be named and shamed - he was caught and has paid a price and that should be that.
But - any discussions about de-criminalising drugs aside, the supply and use of cocaine (a Class A substance) regardless of how widespread it may be should not be trivialised as simply using a 'recreational drug' and a 'minor offence'. I've seen too many lives destroyed by drugs, especially cocaine.
Not to start a massive conversation and have this thread veer wildly off course, but surely the same must be applied to alcohol then? I would imagine far more people's lives are destroyed by alcohol abuse than drug abuse. Easier to fuck your life up with the bottle than with anything else
Maybe. It's not however illegal. But people do not consider how drugs get into the country & in the hands of users; the whole chain of crime / violence / exploitation / sex & people trafficking / tax evasion / county lines etc etc. It is not a harmless thing to use.
Exactly this, I despise the whole 'it's only a bit of Charlie' attitude currently pervading society in this country. Yes it can ruin the life of the taker but the bigger picture is that thousands of people, both guilty and wholly innocent, have been murdered because of this vile drug, and continue to be murdered to this day. I wonder if people would be so keen to stick it up their noses if it was cut with the blood of the innocent people who have died because of its trade?
Absolutely. And I would guess the difference vs in a pub is that children are far more likely to witness it in a football ground.
If he was caught doing it in the toilets of a pub, the bouncer would've nicked it off him and (probably) chucked him out. But do it at football and he gets a 3 year ban.
He broke the law and got caught - what amazes me the most is a guy of his age using coke at a football match.
Well done for not naming Lincs. It’s not my bag (literally), but none of us are perfect and like it or not, recreational drugs are widespread in society.
I’m not excusing or defending it any way, but such public shaming / humiliation for him and his family for such a minor offence seems unfair to me.
He’s a lifelong fan who has clocked up many miles following us over decades. Hope he doesn’t suffer too badly as a result.
He most definitely should not be named and shamed - he was caught and has paid a price and that should be that.
But - any discussions about de-criminalising drugs aside, the supply and use of cocaine (a Class A substance) regardless of how widespread it may be should not be trivialised as simply using a 'recreational drug' and a 'minor offence'. I've seen too many lives destroyed by drugs, especially cocaine.
Not to start a massive conversation and have this thread veer wildly off course, but surely the same must be applied to alcohol then? I would imagine far more people's lives are destroyed by alcohol abuse than drug abuse. Easier to fuck your life up with the bottle than with anything else
Maybe. It's not however illegal. But people do not consider how drugs get into the country & in the hands of users; the whole chain of crime / violence / exploitation / sex & people trafficking / tax evasion / county lines etc etc. It is not a harmless thing to use.
Exactly this, I despise the whole 'it's only a bit of Charlie' attitude currently pervading society in this country. Yes it can ruin the life of the taker but the bigger picture is that thousands of people, both guilty and wholly innocent, have been murdered because of this vile drug, and continue to be murdered to this day. I wonder if people would be so keen to stick it up their noses if it was cut with the blood of the innocent people who have died because of its trade?
Absolutely. And I would guess the difference vs in a pub is that children are far more likely to witness it in a football ground.
Well done for not naming Lincs. It’s not my bag (literally), but none of us are perfect and like it or not, recreational drugs are widespread in society.
I’m not excusing or defending it any way, but such public shaming / humiliation for him and his family for such a minor offence seems unfair to me.
He’s a lifelong fan who has clocked up many miles following us over decades. Hope he doesn’t suffer too badly as a result.
He most definitely should not be named and shamed - he was caught and has paid a price and that should be that.
But - any discussions about de-criminalising drugs aside, the supply and use of cocaine (a Class A substance) regardless of how widespread it may be should not be trivialised as simply using a 'recreational drug' and a 'minor offence'. I've seen too many lives destroyed by drugs, especially cocaine.
Not to start a massive conversation and have this thread veer wildly off course, but surely the same must be applied to alcohol then? I would imagine far more people's lives are destroyed by alcohol abuse than drug abuse. Easier to fuck your life up with the bottle than with anything else
Maybe. It's not however illegal. But people do not consider how drugs get into the country & in the hands of users; the whole chain of crime / violence / exploitation / sex & people trafficking / tax evasion / county lines etc etc. It is not a harmless thing to use.
Exactly this, I despise the whole 'it's only a bit of Charlie' attitude currently pervading society in this country. Yes it can ruin the life of the taker but the bigger picture is that thousands of people, both guilty and wholly innocent, have been murdered because of this vile drug, and continue to be murdered to this day. I wonder if people would be so keen to stick it up their noses if it was cut with the blood of the innocent people who have died because of its trade?
Absolutely. And I would guess the difference vs in a pub is that children are far more likely to witness it in a football ground.
That seems a bit of a reach.
Maybe. I admit I've never actually heard/witnessed anyone snorting coke in a pub or a football ground, but certainly more children milling about in the latter.
Re Cocaine and football. Since 2021, maybe earlier, the moral panic has been building but also backed by evidence. Our mutual friend was unlucky in some respects. If only had seen it coming..
This is one report that was cited repeatedly in media then influenced government to support the football-specific measures brought in this season under FBOs.. Dr Martha Newson-
'High and highly bonded: Fused football fans who use cocaine are most likely to be aggressive toward rivals
Also reports in to Euro final at Wembley where police and others declared cocaine use was a big factor- as covered by daily telegraph, also contributed to changes to FBOs to cover drug taking:
Re Cocaine and football. Since 2021, maybe earlier, the moral panic has been building but also backed by evidence. Our mutual friend was unlucky in some respects. If only had seen it coming..
This is one report that was cited repeatedly in media then influenced government to support the football-specific measures brought in this season under FBOs.. Dr Martha Newson-
'High and highly bonded: Fused football fans who use cocaine are most likely to be aggressive toward rivals
Also reports in to Euro final at Wembley where police and others declared cocaine use was a big factor- as covered by daily telegraph, also contributed to changes to FBOs to cover drug taking:
The number of drivers, that i and colleagues in the MPS CVU encounter that swipe postive for Cannabis, Cocaine, and blow positive for alcohol is shocking. And they are driving heavy vehicles.
I’m no Angel and in the past took some chemical enhancements on a Saturday night at a club, to lower the inhibitions and dance like no one’s looking, and chat up the ladies. However, I do wonder why a grown man feels the need to get high on a Saturday afternoon at the footie.
Although, I have to say iv seen young guys in their 20,s taking coke in the pub toilets in a shitty builder pub at 5 o’clock on a Monday afternoon. So, maybe the Saturday night slot has eroded over the years.
Agree though, that why should where the offence was committed lead to additional punishment over and above the regular sentencing.
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mate of mine and many on here. The support he has given to this club is right up there. Sorry to hear this. Fucking draconian nonsense.
Feel sorry for this bloke, he shouldn’t have done it, I don’t condone it, but the sentence (having to hand your passport in whenever England play overseas because you got caught doing a line at Burtons ground?) and particularly the public naming and shaming is ott.
Fans of all nations at the current world cup in a muslim nation where drinking to excess and drug taking are not tolerated, have been pretty well behaved, except for a few cases of over exuberance.
In my opinion alcohol should not be sold inside football stadia, anyone who can't go without having a beer or six for a couple of hours has a problem.
The issue of course is that overpriced beer sold inside the grounds brings in a nice tidy few quid for the club. Of course, there are few if any controls that can be brought in to 'control' boozing outside the stadium except to refuse admission. How often does this happen ?
Tobacco companies and, to lesser extent, alcoholic drinks companies and gambling companies have had, or are having, their products banned from pretty much all types of advertising, to protect people from getting into trouble, so what makes people going legalising recreational drugs is going to happen, or should happen
If he was caught doing it in the toilets of a pub, the bouncer would've nicked it off him and (probably) chucked him out. But do it at football and he gets a 3 year ban.
What is happening ? .. a new type of crime wave, legalised cannabis shops and providers being robbed for their stock and a reported increase in illegal cannabis cultivation.
why ? .. the theory is that most states have put a very high tax on the legalised sellers and cultivators, so the villains spot a market for their stolen or illegally grown 'product', cos after all, possession is now legal and it's difficult to tell the difference between illegally or legally obtained puff
This is one report that was cited repeatedly in media then influenced government to support the football-specific measures brought in this season under FBOs..
Dr Martha Newson-
'High and highly bonded: Fused football fans who use cocaine are most likely to be aggressive toward rivals
https://www.marthanewson.com/news/2021/5/4/new-article-high-and-highly-bonded.
Also reports in to Euro final at Wembley where police and others declared cocaine use was a big factor- as covered by daily telegraph, also contributed to changes to FBOs to cover drug taking:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/12/03/habitual-cocaine-use-football-fans-problem-sport-needs-face/
But for me, anything that avoids normalising drug use within the young is a very good thing.