The umpires' decision was wrong. Bairstow was not attempting a run. The wicket was broken by the wicket keeper, without an intervention from any other fielder.
According to Law 39.1 therefore, he was out, stumped
I don't mean on Lyon's mind, I mean on the mind of people watching! Of course he'd have gone out to bat regardless. If anything it's more a case that I'm saying KP probably meant it was food for thought for the England bowlers not to bowl short at him. At least in my charitable reading
But then those watching have no idea whatsoever how difficult it is to face quick bowling even when you are a specialist batsman. KP himself said that about facing the likes of facing Morkel and Johnson. All that comment of his did was to reinforce the thoughts of people who do not appreciate what it's like to face that. And he would have been the first to say "I told you so" had Lyon be concussed. For that reason, I think that you are being far too charitable so far as KP is concerned.
PS The offer at Avery Hill is still there. The machine comfortably goes up to 90mph. The even better news is that the rubber matting on that hard floor means that the ball picks up even more bounce and pace. I can't guarantee, though, that any two balls, on the same length, will produce the same bounce. Great prep though for the real thing and will certainly force you to watch the ball!!!
I've netted at AH many, many times! I am not taking up your offer, lol
Boos ringing out by the members in the long room. One member getting told off by a steward.
I can see both sides. I’m livid we lost a wicket in a ‘stupid’ way. But don’t like underhand sneaky tactics. And I believe Aussies will do anything to win. Including underhand tactics and iffy sportsmanship.
Right onto the Aussie bashing, to lift the mood.... I have to say there isn't many if any of their side who i actually like, bring back Warne, he was a loveable wanker
I think they're actually alright this time around, they seem less cocky and annoying.
The bowlers especially seem pretty decent and likeable, Cummins comes across very well.
I’d like to see a replay of what the umpire was doing immediately after the ball went through to Carey. It looked as though Bairstow looked up at him and the umpire moved towards bowler taking the bowlers hat/glasses off. If that was the case should the umpire have intervened before it went to tv umpire?
That's the key. If the umpires walked away or acted as if the ball was dead, then that should have been a deciding factor
i don't think it was cheating but definitely not in the spirit of the game. The Aussies should have warned bairstow what would happen if he walked off again
Shame lunch came when it did. The mood Stokes was in, you wouldnt put it past him.
I get Bairstow was technically out, catch and throw in one motion by Carey but thats pre-meditated and is not bloody cricket. Off a fast bowler, as soon as the ball hits the keepers gloves, it's an unwritten deadball, otherwise it would happen every bloody ball.
More fool Bairstow going walkabout but that dismissal totally sums up the Aussies win at all costs attitude.
You'll never see another team booed into the pavillion at Lords like that ever again.
According to the wireless there was the same incident in a county championship game earlier this season, involving Bairstow (dunno if he was the batter or the keeper), and it was given not out.
I don't mean on Lyon's mind, I mean on the mind of people watching! Of course he'd have gone out to bat regardless. If anything it's more a case that I'm saying KP probably meant it was food for thought for the England bowlers not to bowl short at him. At least in my charitable reading
But then those watching have no idea whatsoever how difficult it is to face quick bowling even when you are a specialist batsman. KP himself said that about facing the likes of facing Morkel and Johnson. All that comment of his did was to reinforce the thoughts of people who do not appreciate what it's like to face that. And he would have been the first to say "I told you so" had Lyon be concussed. For that reason, I think that you are being far too charitable so far as KP is concerned.
PS The offer at Avery Hill is still there. The machine comfortably goes up to 90mph. The even better news is that the rubber matting on that hard floor means that the ball picks up even more bounce and pace. I can't guarantee, though, that any two balls, on the same length, will produce the same bounce. Great prep though for the real thing and will certainly force you to watch the ball!!!
I've netted at AH many, many times! I am not taking up your offer, lol
A couple of years ago I had the short stuff on the machine aimed at Seb's chest at AH. Having worn one or two, he asked me what speed it was so I said to him "it's only 70mph for gawd's sake". He then began to play them at lot better. Only told him once we'd got home the true speed was, actually, 80mph. As I say, great prep for the real thing,
I think it is a bit scummy but out. The group chats I'm in are about 75/25 in thinking yeah, fair cop, that's out but scummy.
Sky just shown the Colin de Grandhomme incident and also shown the fact Bairstow just moonman wanders out the crease after a load of deliveries. Smart but sneaky from Carey.
If it had been the other way round, would we be celebrating Bairstow's canny? Let's face it - probably.
Yesterday it was rules (laws) are rules but now we don't want to play by the rules.
A completely different situation though. Much more like the Trevor Chappell underarm, which was within the rules, but completely wrong.
I think you're right. But an important point is that the Laws of cricket have been rewritten since then to include an important preamble about the Spirit of the Game.
It's up to the Australian players - and, in particular, they're captain - to demonstrate that their action was within that spirit.
For me, a closer analogy was with Ian Bell at Nottingham in 2011. He was out of his ground having hit what he thought was a boundary. The ball was returned to Dhoni, keeping wicket. Dhoni took the balls off and appealed. The umpires reviewed the footage and (correctly) gave Bell out.
Dhoni reflected on his appeal during the following break and withdrew it, asking the umpires to rescind their 'out' decision. (Technically, they shouldn't have).
Bell resumed his innings. Dhoni received a Spirit of Cricket award from the ICC.
I don't think Cummins should expect to receive a similar letter from the ICC any time soon.
I don't mean on Lyon's mind, I mean on the mind of people watching! Of course he'd have gone out to bat regardless. If anything it's more a case that I'm saying KP probably meant it was food for thought for the England bowlers not to bowl short at him. At least in my charitable reading
But then those watching have no idea whatsoever how difficult it is to face quick bowling even when you are a specialist batsman. KP himself said that about facing the likes of facing Morkel and Johnson. All that comment of his did was to reinforce the thoughts of people who do not appreciate what it's like to face that. And he would have been the first to say "I told you so" had Lyon be concussed. For that reason, I think that you are being far too charitable so far as KP is concerned.
PS The offer at Avery Hill is still there. The machine comfortably goes up to 90mph. The even better news is that the rubber matting on that hard floor means that the ball picks up even more bounce and pace. I can't guarantee, though, that any two balls, on the same length, will produce the same bounce. Great prep though for the real thing and will certainly force you to watch the ball!!!
I've netted at AH many, many times! I am not taking up your offer, lol
A couple of years ago I had the short stuff on the machine aimed at Seb's chest at AH. Having worn one or two, he asked me what speed it was so I said to him "it's only 70mph for gawd's sake". He then began to play them at lot better. Only told him once we'd got home the true speed was, actually, 80mph. As I say, great prep for the real thing,
I'm more worried about the real thing bowling-wise, which appears to be 'being fed into Bickley's overseas pro threshing machine'. One over of that enough to completely ruin my life yesterday. Someone should have told me 'he's only a 3rd XI player' beforehand
I think it is a bit scummy but out. The group chats I'm in are about 75/25 in thinking yeah, fair cop, that's out but scummy.
Sky just shown the Colin de Grandhomme incident and also shown the fact Bairstow just moonman wanders out the crease after a load of deliveries. Smart but sneaky from Carey.
If it had been the other way round, would we be celebrating Bairstow's canny? Let's face it - probably.
It's definitely out but scummy - Australia should have just have withdrawn the appeal.
That "stumping" was as bad a bit of sportsmanship as an occasion of a bowler running out a batsman at the other end if the guy sets off too early, ruined a good game in my opinion and shows up the Aussies for what they are...clearly Bairstow was of the opinion the ball was dead...🤷♂️
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Since Bazball started, he's tended to go mad at the start and go cheaply.
Atherton just said 'Bairstow controversially out but not unfairly'.
MCC member unhappy that he got woken up from his slumbers....😄
C**ts.
i don't think it was cheating but definitely not in the spirit of the game. The Aussies should have warned bairstow what would happen if he walked off again
I get Bairstow was technically out, catch and throw in one motion by Carey but thats pre-meditated and is
not bloody cricket. Off a fast bowler, as soon as the ball hits the keepers gloves, it's an unwritten deadball, otherwise it would happen every bloody ball.
More fool Bairstow going walkabout but that dismissal totally sums up the Aussies win at all costs attitude.
You'll never see another team booed into the pavillion at Lords like that ever again.
Sky just shown the Colin de Grandhomme incident and also shown the fact Bairstow just moonman wanders out the crease after a load of deliveries. Smart but sneaky from Carey.
If it had been the other way round, would we be celebrating Bairstow's canny? Let's face it - probably.
It's up to the Australian players - and, in particular, they're captain - to demonstrate that their action was within that spirit.
For me, a closer analogy was with Ian Bell at Nottingham in 2011. He was out of his ground having hit what he thought was a boundary. The ball was returned to Dhoni, keeping wicket. Dhoni took the balls off and appealed. The umpires reviewed the footage and (correctly) gave Bell out.
Dhoni reflected on his appeal during the following break and withdrew it, asking the umpires to rescind their 'out' decision. (Technically, they shouldn't have).
Bell resumed his innings. Dhoni received a Spirit of Cricket award from the ICC.
I don't think Cummins should expect to receive a similar letter from the ICC any time soon.
I'd have thought the same if we'd have done it.