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  • For Headingley, Anderson will be dropped for Wood. Unfortunately that may be it for his test career unless he can play a county game or two, take some wickets and prove he deserves a fitting farewell at OT. 

    And I would drop Robinson for a spinner - can't stand seeing him lolloping in a 79mph and the way he threw his wicket away yesterday when the likes of Broad and Tongue battled hard infuriated me.
  • robinson's been disappointing. Definitely lost a yard of pace since last summer as well.
  • It's been spoken about how this era has given us a bit of bite from where we were a year ago. But they are doing it by ultimately playing the shorter forms of the game in tests!
    But when you come up against the likes of Australia it starts to look very suspect.
    I'm becoming more and more of the opinion that Root aside, this country cannot produce test batsmen anymore. And for that reason, McCullum has came in and just said play the way you're good at. It's literally all we've got!
     So I've listened to McCullums interview after the defeat and a few of the players and I reckon I'm on the money here. Our batsmen, bar Root cannot handle the classic red ball tactic of soaking up the pressure approach by prodding, ducking and leaving for a couple of hours. They go all rabbit in the headlights and the pressure to score gets too much for them.
     So the short overs format approach to test cricket is here to stay I'd say.
    Totally agree
  • robinson's been disappointing. Definitely lost a yard of pace since last summer as well.
    I don't think he's fully fit. Got injured in Sussex's last County game before the ashes. He was magic this summer before that.
  • Overs bowled to date:

    Broad 91.5
    Robinson 91.2
    Anderson 77.0
    Cummins 73.4
    Lyon 66.0
    Hazelwood 56.0
    Moeen 47.0
    Tongue 42.0
    Starc 38.3
    Root 30.0
    Green 30.0
    Stokes 29.0
    Boland 26.0
    Head 11.0

    It is those top three that are the concern. Stokes and Root are bowling an average of 30 overs a Test between them. That has meant that our fast bowlers have had to bowl an average of 43 overs each per Test that is 11 overs each per Test more than their Aussie counterparts.

    So who are the bowlers who are going to be able to bowl 43 overs each? Broad, Robinson and Anderson can't all play in the next Test and for that reason I would rest two of them and Broad is the one who looks most up for the challenge. Unless Headingley looks like a bunsen burner I think we are going to have to stick with four quicks especially as the Aussies would, inevitably, target Moeen. In any event, if we are talking about providing respite, Root's ER of 2.57 is the lowest of any of the 14 bowlers utilised in the Series. So I would play Broad, Tongue, Wood and Woakes with the latter strengthening our batting. 


  • For Headingley, Anderson will be dropped for Wood. Unfortunately that may be it for his test career unless he can play a county game or two, take some wickets and prove he deserves a fitting farewell at OT. 

    And I would drop Robinson for a spinner - can't stand seeing him lolloping in a 79mph and the way he threw his wicket away yesterday when the likes of Broad and Tongue battled hard infuriated me.
    Robinson was pathetic yesterday. After all the mouthing off, he had the perfect chance to show he was up for the fight, wear some bruises, and show he would give everything for the cause.

    And instead showed none of that.
    100% this - all mouth and no trousers as the old saying goes
  • Overs bowled to date:

    Broad 91.5
    Robinson 91.2
    Anderson 77.0
    Cummins 73.4
    Lyon 66.0
    Hazelwood 56.0
    Moeen 47.0
    Tongue 42.0
    Starc 38.3
    Root 30.0
    Green 30.0
    Stokes 29.0
    Boland 26.0
    Head 11.0

    It is those top three that are the concern. Stokes and Root are bowling an average of 30 overs a Test between them. That has meant that our fast bowlers have had to bowl an average of 43 overs each per Test that is 11 overs each per Test more than their Aussie counterparts.

    So who are the bowlers who are going to be able to bowl 43 overs each? Broad, Robinson and Anderson can't all play in the next Test and for that reason I would rest two of them and Broad is the one who looks most up for the challenge. Unless Headingley looks like a bunsen burner I think we are going to have to stick with four quicks especially as the Aussies would, inevitably, target Moeen. In any event, if we are talking about providing respite, Root's ER of 2.57 is the lowest of any of the 14 bowlers utilised in the Series. So I would play Broad, Tongue, Wood and Woakes with the latter strengthening our batting. 


    You missed Brook off you list 😉
  • Overs bowled to date:

    Broad 91.5
    Robinson 91.2
    Anderson 77.0
    Cummins 73.4
    Lyon 66.0
    Hazelwood 56.0
    Moeen 47.0
    Tongue 42.0
    Starc 38.3
    Root 30.0
    Green 30.0
    Stokes 29.0
    Boland 26.0
    Head 11.0

    It is those top three that are the concern. Stokes and Root are bowling an average of 30 overs a Test between them. That has meant that our fast bowlers have had to bowl an average of 43 overs each per Test that is 11 overs each per Test more than their Aussie counterparts.

    So who are the bowlers who are going to be able to bowl 43 overs each? Broad, Robinson and Anderson can't all play in the next Test and for that reason I would rest two of them and Broad is the one who looks most up for the challenge. Unless Headingley looks like a bunsen burner I think we are going to have to stick with four quicks especially as the Aussies would, inevitably, target Moeen. In any event, if we are talking about providing respite, Root's ER of 2.57 is the lowest of any of the 14 bowlers utilised in the Series. So I would play Broad, Tongue, Wood and Woakes with the latter strengthening our batting. 


    You missed Brook off you list 😉
    Indeed I did. He averages 1.3 overs a Test!
  • Leuth said:
    Chizz said:
    The umpires' decision was wrong. Bairstow was not attempting a run. The wicket was broken by the wicket keeper, without an intervention from any other fielder. 

    According to Law 39.1 therefore, he was out, stumped 
    CHIZZ
    Yes? 


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  • For Headingley, Anderson will be dropped for Wood. Unfortunately that may be it for his test career unless he can play a county game or two, take some wickets and prove he deserves a fitting farewell at OT. 

    And I would drop Robinson for a spinner - can't stand seeing him lolloping in a 79mph and the way he threw his wicket away yesterday when the likes of Broad and Tongue battled hard infuriated me.
    Robinson was pathetic yesterday. After all the mouthing off, he had the perfect chance to show he was up for the fight, wear some bruises, and show he would give everything for the cause.

    And instead showed none of that.
    Yup chucked his wicket away when all of the other tailenders were happy to apply themselves and take what was coming.
  • I think Jimmy sits this one out and comes back from OT for a last hurrah. Wood in. 

  • Spirit of the game?  Give me strength
    They're professional athletes in a team sport
    The "spirit" is to win within the laws.  Everything else is childish nonsense.
    If Carey had faked to throw the ball to the slips but then breaks the stumps - that's gamesmanship but if JB wanders out before the ump calls 'over' he's still fair game
    Bairstow was dozy as dozy can be, it cost him and possibly the team but he has zero grounds for complaint.  Carey's just smarter/less complacent than he is.
    Disheartening how so much "comment" on the incident refers to a 'run out'.  Everybody on that tip can be ignored as a cricket moron.

    For all the chattering headlines the first 2 tests were won by the better side.  Over 2 innings per side the difference might not be vast but this Aus squad is just better than ours.


    The slanging match and bad blood it has stirred up will spice up the Headingly match.  All the barracking from the crowd will fire up the convicts same as the indignation and embarrassment should fire up our brave boys.
    Hopefully tho the likes of Warner and Kawaja will still be as delicate and fragile as they were yesterday in the Long Room when a couple of gin soaked poshos cast them a pithy brickbat or two - hysterical.

    FWIW Ashes 2023 is Australia's to lose.

  • On another note and one that will pleased many Kent supporters and non even one Worcester fan


    Is this cheating?
  • Didnt we do it with Joffra as well ? 
  • Sam Curran would have enjoyed himself yesterday. 
  • Didnt we do it with Joffra as well ? 

    Yeah I think Jofra got done 4? years early 
  • Didnt we do it with Joffra as well ? 
    Always confused as to why Jofra had to wait at all as his Dad is English
  • Didnt we do it with Joffra as well ? 
    Always confused as to why Jofra had to wait at all as his Dad is English
    Was Archer because he had played age cricket for the West Indies?
  • On another note and one that will pleased many Kent supporters and non even one Worcester fan


    Is this cheating?
    We changed the rules to get Archer playing for us sooner than he would otherwise have been eligible to. It used to be seven years residency but we changed it so that Archer could play for us in 2019 instead of having to wait 'til 2022. 

    Previously there was a seven-year residency period if someone had moved to England or Wales from a Full Member nation after their 18th birthday. The rule change aligned the ECB’s eligibility criteria closer to that of the ICC’s, which only requires a three-year residency period when moving from one Full Member nation to another.

    The change meant that as long as a player is a British citizen, was either born in England or Wales or spent at least 210 days a year here for the last three years and hasn’t appeared as a ‘local’ player in another country in the previous three years, can represent England.  
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  • I don't get this rule, the check list below should be used 

    Was the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    was a parent of the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    was a grandparent of the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    Is the player now a citizen of the country he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    anything else, not eligible to play

  • I don't get this rule, the check list below should be used 

    Was the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    was a parent of the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    was a grandparent of the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    Is the player now a citizen of the country he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    anything else, not eligible to play

    Come on, you know international transfer fees will come to football soon so that Saudi Arabia can win the World Cup.
  • I don't get this rule, the check list below should be used 

    Was the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    was a parent of the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    was a grandparent of the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    Is the player now a citizen of the country he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    anything else, not eligible to play

    I don't agree with the grandparent rule used in football. It's far too tenuous to play for a country because you have ONE grandparent born there.
  • Bairstow was out in accordance with the laws of the game but no way was he seeking an advantage. Pat Cummins had the ability to withdraw the appeal and go down in Ashes history with a demonstration of a huge act of sportsmanship. It makes me think of Jack Nicklaus in the Ryder Cup.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Ryder_Cup#:~:text=The%20competition%20ended%20in%20a,sportsmanship%20in%20all%20of%20sport.
  • edited July 2023
    I don't get this rule, the check list below should be used 

    Was the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    was a parent of the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    was a grandparent of the player born in the country that he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    Is the player now a citizen of the country he/she wishes to represent. If yes, crack on

    anything else, not eligible to play

    Is residency the acid test to stop someone from playing for a second country at the drop of a hat i.e. you played for three years for New Zealand, get dropped and then elect to play for England in the same season because you were born there. Equally, many of those who do switch countries may not have played a full international for their original country but played age group internationals - as Archer did when he played for West Indies U19s. It stops poaching too. 
  • edited July 2023
    posting without reading most comments, but i hope Broady gets the ball 10 am first morning on thursday, under-arms every delivery first over, one comes through to Jonny he flicks it up and twats the opening batter on the head with the ball
  • edited July 2023
    Australians have found this on YouTube … skip to 10:50

    https://youtu.be/fVmiw2O_vsY
  • All I can say is the Western Terrace at Headingley will be lively!  :p 
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