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  • Ended up a bit of a thriller, with Middlesex cocking up the final over to lose by 2 runs.

    The marketing men won't understand it, but watching cricket at an outground is one of the pleasures of the English game. 
    I totally agree. My county, Sussex, have cut Arundel, a beautiful ground, Eastbourne and Horsham from the list over recent years. Most years, I do a tour of 3-4 grounds watching One Day Cup games. This year, I'm managing to see a game at York, but my options are reducing.
  • First Test match of the season and Wimbledon right around the corner as well... I do miss the English summer!
    When England are 3-0 down in the Ashes, and all the British players out of Wimbledon by day 3, we'll be looking forward to autumn  ;)
    What's that Charlton top of League One after winning 8 out of 8?
  • Ended up a bit of a thriller, with Middlesex cocking up the final over to lose by 2 runs.

    The marketing men won't understand it, but watching cricket at an outground is one of the pleasures of the English game. 
    I totally agree. My county, Sussex, have cut Arundel, a beautiful ground, Eastbourne and Horsham from the list over recent years. Most years, I do a tour of 3-4 grounds watching One Day Cup games. This year, I'm managing to see a game at York, but my options are reducing.
    That's a shame, always meant to catch a game at Arundel.

    Most non international county headquarters grounds aren't great. Their facilities are mediocre, and they're often not that picturesque either. 
  • I wasn't planning on any of them, which would have been a shame with The Oval just down the road, but my Indian cricket clubmate has said he'll get me to Day Two of the WTC final!
  • PopIcon said:
    Off to the first day of the Ireland test match on Thursday. Any other addicts in attendance?

    I'm going on Friday. The game should hopefully last that long!
    Can’t see Ireland bowling out England before lunch on the first day again.
  • https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/3497603

    England Men have named their XI for the LV= Insurance Test against Ireland starting at Lord's on Thursday.

    Worcestershire seamer Josh Tongue has been handed his Test debut for the one-off Test ahead of this summer's Ashes series.

    England Team v Ireland: Ben Duckett, Zak Crawley, Ollie Pope, Joe Root, Harry Brook, Ben Stokes (c), Jonny Bairstow, Stuart Broad, Matthew Potts, Josh Tongue (Debut), Jack Leach.

  • That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 
  • https://youtu.be/lOtC3DMKX1Q

    Here is some of his play, and an interview. He reminds me quite a lot of James Taylor
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  • Leuth said:
    That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 
    Das is a real talent and the only surprise is that it's taken so long for him to be given a regular opportunity - he made his debut for Essex 2s five years ago as a 16 year old 
  • Das is at University so hasn't committed to cricket full time like other players his age
  • Das is at University so hasn't committed to cricket full time like other players his age
    Very sensible
  • Caved in today and bought tickets for this Friday at Lords to add to the following ashes haul. 

    Friday, Saturday, Sunday Edgbaston (days 1,2&3)
    Wednesday, Saturday Lords (days 1&4)
    Saturday, Sunday Headingley (days 3&4)
    Friday, Saturday, Old Trafford (days 3&4)
    Thursday Oval (day 1)



    Going this Friday as well, then next Wednesday for the World Test Championship

    For the Ashes, I've got 
    Day 3 Edgbaston, Day 3 Lord's, then Days 4 and 5 (ha ha) at The Oval

    also got ODI tickets on the 15th Sept (Lord's)

  • I am gonna guess that Tongue will be a one and done test cricketer for England 
  • Leuth said:
    That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 

    Feels like because he caused Smith a few problems a couple of weeks ago that he's now the next hope. Was expecting to see Carse or Mahmood called up. 
  • MarcusH26 said:
    Leuth said:
    That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 

    Feels like because he caused Smith a few problems a couple of weeks ago that he's now the next hope. Was expecting to see Carse or Mahmood called up. 
    Or for a one off game, why not Chris Rushworth?
  • MarcusH26 said:
    Leuth said:
    That is an absolutely bizarre selection. Feels like someone's won a bet

    Robin Das at Essex is looking like their latest batting product. In rare form 

    Feels like because he caused Smith a few problems a couple of weeks ago that he's now the next hope. Was expecting to see Carse or Mahmood called up. 
    Or for a one off game, why not Chris Rushworth?
    It's a wild card selection but Tongue has been on England's radar since he made his debut seven years ago as an 18 year old and for England U19s. He only played three CC matches last season due to injuries (he's had a lot of them in his career to date ) and didn't perform particularly well either but was still sent with the Lions to Sri Lanka - he took 8-153 against Sr Lanka A whereas Sam Cook, for example, took 3-107. He's also almost 12 years younger than Rushworth. Still, this season's figures of 11 wickets at 41.45 and an economy rate of 4.43 too doesn't have him jumping off the page but they are probably looking at him from a possible "x" factor perspective rather than what he's actually done in the book. As we know from the selection of Crawley (First Class average of 30.43) England do like to do that.  
  • Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
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  • Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
  • Leuth said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
  • Leuth said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
  • Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
    Not what I said! 
  • edited May 2023
    Leuth said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
    Not what I said! 
    He was regularly hitting the mid 90s for most of his career, including a 100.1 mph delivery.  He wasn't touching 90.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
    Not what I said! 
    He was regularly hitting the mid 90s for most of his career, including a 100.1 mph delivery.  He wasn't touching 90.
    Like Starc though, he was only capable of bowling really, really quick when it was full. Johnson is the only one of the three who could bowl fearsomely quick and short 
  • Leuth said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    Mahmokd did well for England before injury. He has that extra pace. If he's fit he should be back in the squad.

    Such a shame that when we actually have a crop of fast bowlers to get excited about they all get injured. Archer Wood Stone Overton Mahmood would be a serious group of quicks challenging for the side.
    They're injured because they bowl that fast. The human body isn't meant to do that. It's the same with baseball pitchers. They keep blowing out their elbows. Someone like Shoaib Akhtar who keeps it going for as many as 46 Tests is the exception, not the rule, and I bet he wasn't fully fit for at least half of them 
    The Aussie quicks seem pretty bullet proof when it comes to Ashes series. The likes of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have played in loads of Ashes matches.
    Lee had a biometrically perfect action, but he wasn't much above 90mph most of his career. Starc is similar. Johnson had a bit more pace than either, and a lot more injury problems too
    Brett Lee wasn't quick is a take, I'll give you that! 
    Not what I said! 
    He was regularly hitting the mid 90s for most of his career, including a 100.1 mph delivery.  He wasn't touching 90.
    Like Starc though, he was only capable of bowling really, really quick when it was full. Johnson is the only one of the three who could bowl fearsomely quick and short 
    I don't think Alex Tudor would agree.  There are loads of clips of Lee bowling short and quick on YouTube.

    You have got to factor in that in backing up McGrath and Warne they never really needed a plan B to get wickets.  I think had a much better "line and length" game than Johnson so didn't have to go short to get wickets, it's not the same as couldn't. 
  • And Brett Lee didn't want to get a reputation as a nasty bowler, as he had a Bollywood career to think about  ;)
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