We record it & watch it later. But since the introduction of VAR I’ve found the pundits more useful & missed the discussion on the atrocious Richarlison offside decision this week tbh 🤔
It has startled me that in a 90 minute football show we only actually get 20 minutes of the football. Surely that can’t be true.
It’s not.
Take the MOTD programme from the previous week:
Total running length (83 mins)
Arsenal v Bournemouth (10 mins of highlights) Man City v Newcastle (9 mins) Brighton v West Ham (7 mins) Wolves v Tottenham (7 mins) Southampton v Leicester (6 mins) Chelsea v Leeds (7 mins) Aston Villa v Palace (6 mins)
52 minutes of highlights in an 83 minute programme.
So you either get 52 minutes of highlights in a normal programme, or the condensed 20 minutes served up this past weekend. 🤷♂️
As a one off I enjoyed watching the highlites Especially the sounds of the players when celebrating a goal. Also tge noise of tge crowd. They could have done with longer highlites.
Don't care too much about his political viewpoints. As is plainly obvious reading the previous comments, most have them, some extreme, others not so.
I for one will be pleased to see him removed permanently from MOTD, as he doesn't warrant the exhorbitant £1.3 million paypacket he receives from the TV Licence payer for football punditry.
Can't be too difficult to find someone who will turn out to be an improvement, and who comes a lot cheaper!
I also prefer Golden Wonder to Walkers, must add, other brands are available!
Just enjoying going through this thread! A nice distraction from reading about Charlton.
I'm not sure if anyone else has brought this up in the pages to come but Gary Lineker's wages cost about 5.5p per licence fee, per year. I find it strange that anyone gets wound up by this when £££'s and £££'s of your taxes corruptly end up in the pockets of people taking advantage of their position.
It has startled me that in a 90 minute football show we only actually get 20 minutes of the football. Surely that can’t be true.
It’s not.
Take the MOTD programme from the previous week:
Total running length (83 mins)
Arsenal v Bournemouth (10 mins of highlights) Man City v Newcastle (9 mins) Brighton v West Ham (7 mins) Wolves v Tottenham (7 mins) Southampton v Leicester (6 mins) Chelsea v Leeds (7 mins) Aston Villa v Palace (6 mins)
52 minutes of highlights in an 83 minute programme.
Thanks for that information. With the music they could have a neat hour long programme without all the talking.
Commentary on the highlights is fine - it’s the fact that the over analysis of everything between each match means it takes 90 minutes just to see what happened in about 6 games.
By comparison, the EFL highlights fit 30+ games into the same amount of time, with a load of waffling thrown in!
People can have different opinions, it is when those opinions are manifested in actions that hatred and division occurs. A vote is an action.
Yet without division, there'd be no vote. I can accept other's voting as they do without hating them. That doesn't mean I agree with what they're voting for.
I can accept the vote of others, but I don’t see how there is a situation where (if you know how they voted) it is out of order to hate those who voted National Front or BNP amongst others. I wouldn’t ban those others, but reserve the right to hate them vehemently. I couldn’t reach a state of rapprochement with racists for example, especially when I start from a position of hatred and contempt. How does toleration and acceptance come about in the situation I describe, be a teensy bit racist myself in order to get along with them?
Fully understood, and we're drifting so far down the river from the thread subject I feel quite embarrassed.
Incidentally, loving seeing you use the word 'rapprochement' here. Don't often see that, or expect it on CL if I'm being honest. I was going to extol the virtues of the English language, but as that has distinctly French undertones, I probably shouldn't, not in the spirit of entente cordiale.
It’s featured 18 times in 17 years, though Seth has been responsible for 7 of those. I would say it’s a favourite of his, but then again, he is responsible for a lot of words on here… :-)
Regarding the MOTD format (normal vs this week's), to a certain extent it doesn't matter if individual viewers prefer the shorted/silenced version or not. There are two drivers of the extended format beyond viewer expectations/desires:
1) The BBC pay a lot of money for the rights, they want to fill a decent amount of the schedule with that money, hence MOTD + MOTD2 being around 2.5 hours, plus the goals being shown again often on Football Focus, and MOTD being repeated on a Sunday morning. There's no way they could justify the cost of the rights if all they're going to get 20 mins on a Saturday and Sunday night
2) I don't think the Premier League would sell them the rights if that was the format going forward. The EPL is a brand, part of building and maintaining that brand is a) the amount of exposure, and b) a load of experts telling you how brilliant the product is. There is very little, if any value to the EPL as a brand in having those rights used in such a minimal fashion.
Both Tim Davie and Gary Lineker will be relieved with this score draw; wait surely Lineker won 🤔
Tim Davie thought by putting his star player on the bench for disciplinary reason others would step up to replace him. No we are not coming on and the brother and sisterhood forced Tim Davie to pass sidewards and let an "independent expert" decide.
Gary Lineker who is a bright bloke who I find hard to believe didn't realize the grenade he was throwing in the mix with his "1930 language" tweet. Of course he did and it needed to be done as Tory Davie has been slapping wrists since he joined the BBC on a nice half a million per annum contract; not including bonuses.
Gary was controling the narrative on Saturday but looked really pissed off when A myriad of cameras were there on Sunday morning when taking the dog for a walk and going to his local shop for a newspaper where he was on the front, back and in the middle.
Gary's back as Captain and his team mates have his back. In politics in all parties you get stabbed in the back and front. Ambition kills loyalty.
Back to trivial pursuits like football for a while.
Both Tim Davie and Gary Lineker will be relieved with this score draw; wait surely Lineker won 🤔
Tim Davie thought by putting his star player on the bench for disciplinary reason others would step up to replace him. No we are not coming on and the brother and sisterhood forced Tim Davie to pass sidewards and let an "independent expert" decide.
Gary Lineker who is a bright bloke who I find hard to believe didn't realize the grenade he was throwing in the mix with his "1930 language" tweet. Of course he did and it needed to be done as Tory Davie has been slapping wrists since he joined the BBC on a nice half a million per annum contract; not including bonuses.
Gary was controling the narrative on Saturday but looked really pissed off when A myriad of cameras were there on Sunday morning when taking the dog for a walk and going to his local shop for a newspaper where he was on the front, back and in the middle.
Gary's back as Captain and his team mates have his back. In politics in all parties you get stabbed in the back and front. Ambition kills loyalty.
Back to trivial pursuits like football for a while.
A lot of big name players don't like the high press
People can have different opinions, it is when those opinions are manifested in actions that hatred and division occurs. A vote is an action.
Yet without division, there'd be no vote. I can accept other's voting as they do without hating them. That doesn't mean I agree with what they're voting for.
I can accept the vote of others, but I don’t see how there is a situation where (if you know how they voted) it is out of order to hate those who voted National Front or BNP amongst others. I wouldn’t ban those others, but reserve the right to hate them vehemently. I couldn’t reach a state of rapprochement with racists for example, especially when I start from a position of hatred and contempt. How does toleration and acceptance come about in the situation I describe, be a teensy bit racist myself in order to get along with them?
Fully understood, and we're drifting so far down the river from the thread subject I feel quite embarrassed.
Incidentally, loving seeing you use the word 'rapprochement' here. Don't often see that, or expect it on CL if I'm being honest. I was going to extol the virtues of the English language, but as that has distinctly French undertones, I probably shouldn't, not in the spirit of entente cordiale.
It’s featured 18 times in 17 years, though Seth has been responsible for 7 of those. I would say it’s a favourite of his, but then again, he is responsible for a lot of words on here… :-)
Had it's annual outing today then. I've not been on a year yet. Does the 18 include me repeating it today?
I suppose the real shame is how this was handled. It doesn't matter a great deal to me if a presenter has certain views, and as long as they are presented outside of the program and as their own I cannot see a problem. I am experienced enough to understand that Gary's views are not the BBC's and visa versa. Sometimes they may agree, and perhaps often not.
I am not really sure why it is so difficult to separate the two, and if you disagree then just disregard the comment.
Fair play to Gary for feeling so strongly about a cause, and the same to Sir David. They have a right to an opinion, and neither of their opinions in my view are extreme or dangerous to our society.
I suppose one positive thing too is it has allowed people to discuss difference, and hopefully contributed to tolerance of that difference.
It's been great to see again how much of a central role football plays in UK society. Can't imagine anywhere else where the views of a pundit on the main footie show, and then the political fallout of this, would dominate the news so much.
Now that the BBC has backed down over its censorship of Gary Lineker, it must do the same with the episode of Wild Isles programme that they have relegated to iPlayer for fear of offending a few farmers and right wingers, who don't care about the environment. So many of our species are in danger of extinction if we carry on the path we're on, and this will affect everyone.
Now that the BBC has backed down over its censorship of Gary Lineker, it must do the same with the episode of Wild Isles programme that they have relegated to iPlayer for fear of offending a few farmers and right wingers, who don't care about the environment. So many of our species are in danger of extinction if we carry on the path we're on, and this will affect everyone.
Not really followed the Attenbrough thing and don’t know why cancelled, but heard someone say it was a five part series and this sixth episode was a separately commissioned piece for iplayer and not part of the series ?
It's quite ironic that so many people in the media and on here are saying why is everyone talking about the "Lineker" situation, when there are far more important matters.
I agree, so here's a polite thought. Perhaps consider stop talking about it?
It's quite ironic that so many people in the media and on here are saying why is everyone talking about the "Lineker" situation, when there are far more important matters.
I agree, so here's a polite thought. Perhaps consider stop talking about it?
It's quite ironic that so many people in the media and on here are saying why is everyone talking about the "Lineker" situation, when there are far more important matters.
I agree, so here's a polite thought. Perhaps consider stop talking about it?
I would contend that the attempt to shut down criticism of any members of the current government, whilst the supporters of the government are using similar platforms to push their agenda and attack any critics, is a very important matter.
It's quite ironic that so many people in the media and on here are saying why is everyone talking about the "Lineker" situation, when there are far more important matters.
I agree, so here's a polite thought. Perhaps consider stop talking about it?
Back in the day when we were lads there was a saying: Today's newspaper caper is tomorrow's chip paper. Doesn't quite work with social media but just like night follows day, a new issue will grab the headlines for days or weeks and then disappear or just simmer until words can be quoted again.
Strikes in the UK should be the news stories but apparently it doesn't sell newspapers or get enough hits on social media platforms.
Fiona Bruce who has had a successful career in the media gets slated for trying to be neutral about the bum slapper and breaker of his ex wife's nose (according to his ex wife) Stanley Johnson on question time. Boris wants to give his dad a knighthood; what for exactly?
Considering Bruce has been an ambassador of women's Refuge for 25 years its a sad situation but not sure if she had to say it was a "one off". According to a friend who worked at a woman's refuge it hardly ever a one-off with men who hit women.
Plenty of stories waiting there turn to get on the front pages.
I like to avoid knowing the scores when I finish watching us of a Saturday. Then on the internet at 9pm I can watch the ITV 4 league coverage, with another window open for cribbage in the chat and adverts. Then afterwards go to BBC for Match of the Day, press watch from the start and fast forward through all the chat, replays and ‘punditry’. Lineker hardly appears on my personal radar, but he can use his Twitter if he likes, and it turns out he has accepted refugees into his home. In short it is pretty easy to avoid the talking heads and concentrate on the talking feet.
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But since the introduction of VAR I’ve found the pundits more useful & missed the discussion on the atrocious Richarlison offside decision this week tbh 🤔
Especially the sounds of the players when celebrating a goal. Also tge noise of tge crowd.
They could have done with longer highlites.
I'm not sure if anyone else has brought this up in the pages to come but Gary Lineker's wages cost about 5.5p per licence fee, per year. I find it strange that anyone gets wound up by this when £££'s and £££'s of your taxes corruptly end up in the pockets of people taking advantage of their position.
With the music they could have a neat hour long programme without all the talking.
The decision overruled by VAR, as his tweet was ruled to be onside.
1) The BBC pay a lot of money for the rights, they want to fill a decent amount of the schedule with that money, hence MOTD + MOTD2 being around 2.5 hours, plus the goals being shown again often on Football Focus, and MOTD being repeated on a Sunday morning. There's no way they could justify the cost of the rights if all they're going to get 20 mins on a Saturday and Sunday night
2) I don't think the Premier League would sell them the rights if that was the format going forward. The EPL is a brand, part of building and maintaining that brand is a) the amount of exposure, and b) a load of experts telling you how brilliant the product is. There is very little, if any value to the EPL as a brand in having those rights used in such a minimal fashion.
Tim Davie thought by putting his star player on the bench for disciplinary reason others would step up to replace him. No we are not coming on and the brother and sisterhood forced Tim Davie to pass sidewards and let an "independent expert" decide.
Gary Lineker who is a bright bloke who I find hard to believe didn't realize the grenade he was throwing in the mix with his "1930 language" tweet. Of course he did and it needed to be done as Tory Davie has been slapping wrists since he joined the BBC on a nice half a million per annum contract; not including bonuses.
Gary was controling the narrative on Saturday but looked really pissed off when A myriad of cameras were there on Sunday morning when taking the dog for a walk and going to his local shop for a newspaper where he was on the front, back and in the middle.
Gary's back as Captain and his team mates have his back. In politics in all parties you get stabbed in the back and front. Ambition kills loyalty.
Back to trivial pursuits like football for a while.
There's a doctors strike happening today, it's hardly got a whisper in the news.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/who-we-are/news/were-working-with-with-rspb-and-wwf-to-save-our-wild-isles
Not really followed the Attenbrough thing and don’t know why cancelled, but heard someone say it was a five part series and this sixth episode was a separately commissioned piece for iplayer and not part of the series ?
I agree, so here's a polite thought.
Perhaps consider stop talking about it?
Back in the day when we were lads there was a saying: Today's newspaper caper is tomorrow's chip paper.
Doesn't quite work with social media but just like night follows day, a new issue will grab the headlines for days or weeks and then disappear or just simmer until words can be quoted again.
Strikes in the UK should be the news stories but apparently it doesn't sell newspapers or get enough hits on social media platforms.
Fiona Bruce who has had a successful career in the media gets slated for trying to be neutral about the bum slapper and breaker of his ex wife's nose (according to his ex wife) Stanley Johnson on question time. Boris wants to give his dad a knighthood; what for exactly?
Considering Bruce has been an ambassador of women's Refuge for 25 years its a sad situation but not sure if she had to say it was a "one off". According to a friend who worked at a woman's refuge it hardly ever a one-off with men who hit women.
Plenty of stories waiting there turn to get on the front pages.