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Charlie Kirk again
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My point actually has absolutely nothing to do with Lavelle, nor his friendship with Kirk.mendonca said:
Having been in a squad together doesn't mean they have to be the next Kirk-Lavelle.Sage said:Feel for Albie if this move happens. Sure he’ll have someone he knows, but it’s not what is going to benefit him for his career.
If we get anything around 60% or above of what we paid for Kirk, that’ll be a great deal.1 -
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The glimpses of when i saw him, in the team he played for, before he joined us. I wasn't very much impressed and had no pace. I gave him the benefit of the doubt after his father passed and moving down South would probably take time. I give him great credit for that. He is a nice lad, but he is a northern lad and I think I read somewhere his girlfriend has a hairdressing business up north. I think the move to Blackpool would good all round for him. He gets to move back up north to be near friends and family and his girlfriend can carry on working in her hairdressers. It is a shame it hasn't worked for him, but I wish him well.4
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what about buy one get Chuk free?Sillybilly said:Cant we offer Blackpool a “Buy one get two free” deal? Buy Kirk and we’ll Chuck in Mansfield and Lavelle. In fact, can we just give them all three?
sort our wage bill right out1 -
Good enough for us this season or time to move him on this month?0
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I'll try not to be too mean cause he is only human and the off chance he reads this but...100% move on.
I don't know what the difference was at Crewe, whether it was lesser competition cause of league 2 or less pressure for playing for a smaller club, but he is a shadow of the player we saw in the Crewe highlights reel.
Terrible work rates, isn't quick, never wins one on ones, always looks to pass it sideways or back, slows down our counter attacks and never looks 'up for it'. The saddest part for me is that even the stuff you expect him to be decent at, he isn't. His shooting isn't up to much and his passing isn't all that either. The only thing I can say positive that I have seen of him is that he has nice and natural control on the ball, the issue is he doesn't exploit it through lack of quality in other areas of his game.
I think he needs to rebuild in a lower league, needs personal coaching, needs to go on loan or have a change of scenery. The difference of our play when he gets subbed on/off is crazy.
Was buzzing when he signed him but wouldn't be sorry to see him leave unfortunately, sorry Kirk9 -
I think he'll leave, but not until Deadline Day - Wont be surprised if its a loan0
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Still want him to come good but think it will happen elsewhere. Probably goes on deadline day once we've added some more attacking options.
Real shame it hasn't worked out for him for whatever reason because I was properly excited when he signed.2 -
Get rid. End of.1
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Don't rate him, him and DJ are the most obvious ones to ship out if we can.0
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He hasn't done it for us but is not as bad as some wish to portray. He could still turn things around for us. I admit it looks unlikely but I wouldn't write him off just yet.2
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You see I have always hoped this of someone like DJ who, while I believe his time is up, I have never questioned his attitude or team work. I am just not quite sure he’s good enough.MuttleyCAFC said:He hasn't done it for us but is not as bad as some wish to portray. He could still turn things around for us. I admit it looks unlikely but I wouldn't write him off just yet.
Kirk on the other hand I do think is probably good enough but has the most terrible attitude on the pitch, never challenges or gets stuck in, never tries to take it past anyone, constantly berates others when they decide not to pass to him and when they do, he either does a little 5 yard pass that the other player could have done or tries some Hollywood pass that pays off one time in ten. This means his stats aren’t actually that bad and distort how little he actually does for the team.
His first touch and vision are easily good enough so I assume in training he looks excellent. But he just can’t do it in competitive football.1 -
I get the feeling his Dad’s death right at the time he was about to join made it difficult for him to settle and he never managed to hit the ground running. Best for all parties for him to move on I reckon.5
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Not a fan. Just never looks that interested.4
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It's been two years. Two years in which he's totally failed to turn anything around outside of a few brief moments. And it's not like McGrandles who looked much better for some consistent game time on loan either, he's been underwhelming at different clubs.MuttleyCAFC said:He hasn't done it for us but is not as bad as some wish to portray. He could still turn things around for us. I admit it looks unlikely but I wouldn't write him off just yet.
I'm sympathetic on a personal level due to his circumstances but at some point you just have to say enough is enough. And given we need to clear out the squad a bit, for me that point is now.
I genuinely hope he gets a move that he's happy with and gets some of his mojo back, but it's not happened at Charlton and almost certainly won't now.5 -
Kirk the shirk.
Move him on, no more light weights please.11 -
Said before he’s a low tempo player - he needs others to do most of the running and the pressing. Not good enough to justify carrying, as soon as you lose a game with him in the team he’s someone you drop to add more energy and aggression. I just don’t see how he adds that to his game at his age.
A good example of how we need to recruit better, he looks like someone signed mainly based on his highlights video and stats.
What makes it worse is TS wanted an energetic high pressing team. That half a million plus wages could have been spent far better.2 -
Braziliance said:I'll try not to be too mean cause he is only human and the off chance he reads this but...100% move on.
I don't know what the difference was at Crewe, whether it was lesser competition cause of league 2 or less pressure for playing for a smaller club, but he is a shadow of the player we saw in the Crewe highlights reel.
Terrible work rates, isn't quick, never wins one on ones, always looks to pass it sideways or back, slows down our counter attacks and never looks 'up for it'. The saddest part for me is that even the stuff you expect him to be decent at, he isn't. His shooting isn't up to much and his passing isn't all that either. The only thing I can say positive that I have seen of him is that he has nice and natural control on the ball, the issue is he doesn't exploit it through lack of quality in other areas of his game.
I think he needs to rebuild in a lower league, needs personal coaching, needs to go on loan or have a change of scenery. The difference of our play when he gets subbed on/off is crazy.
Was buzzing when he signed him but wouldn't be sorry to see him leave unfortunately, sorry Kirk
Going on loan you say, Blackpool and Burton had a look and were not interested, a bit like Kirk.
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i think blackpool wanted him but they didn't want to pay what they agreed at the start of the loan - they had form for trying to under-cut loan-to-buy deals. They certainly offered something this time last year though, probably more than we will ever get now.ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:I'll try not to be too mean cause he is only human and the off chance he reads this but...100% move on.
I don't know what the difference was at Crewe, whether it was lesser competition cause of league 2 or less pressure for playing for a smaller club, but he is a shadow of the player we saw in the Crewe highlights reel.
Terrible work rates, isn't quick, never wins one on ones, always looks to pass it sideways or back, slows down our counter attacks and never looks 'up for it'. The saddest part for me is that even the stuff you expect him to be decent at, he isn't. His shooting isn't up to much and his passing isn't all that either. The only thing I can say positive that I have seen of him is that he has nice and natural control on the ball, the issue is he doesn't exploit it through lack of quality in other areas of his game.
I think he needs to rebuild in a lower league, needs personal coaching, needs to go on loan or have a change of scenery. The difference of our play when he gets subbed on/off is crazy.
Was buzzing when he signed him but wouldn't be sorry to see him leave unfortunately, sorry Kirk
Going on loan you say, Blackpool and Burton had a look and were not interested, a bit like Kirk.2 -
Oh mate, he is. He really is.MuttleyCAFC said:He hasn't done it for us but is not as bad as some wish to portray. He could still turn things around for us. I admit it looks unlikely but I wouldn't write him off just yet.
@thenewbie sums it up perfectly above.1 - Sponsored links:
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The shirk plumbed new depths yesterday.
Touched the ball 3 times in his cameo.
2nd time he had vast open space up the right wing to run into unchallenged by Orient blue but he stopped turned inside and gave the ball away
3rd time he gave the ball away under negligible pressure
he is clearly ripping the piss because he did both right under the manager's nose on the touchline
CAFC would be fully justified in sacking him
he must have been showing up in training or he wouldn't even have made the bench but yet again he makes a prick of himself and the manager for selecting him with his blatant inaction on the pitch
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I envisage him showing DH a note from his mum that says he's not well enough to play2
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We can’t carry any passengers this season if we are serious about going up.He’s had plenty of opportunity (as stated above), time for him to move on.2
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Had a great chance to silence the doubters by pinging one in from our own half with their keeper stranded but didn’t even try. Have to agree with the majority - total waste of space7
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But if he had scored, some would berate him for giving away possession.2
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i know its not nice and hopefully he doesn't read this forum but yesterday reinforced for me the most accurate description about him i've heard when somebody on this forum said 'he's a minge of a footballer' - that summation is perfect - take a bow, son, take a bow0
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I defended him but watched him again yesterday.
He reminded me of someone playing Vets football.
I really don't think he's going to provide the intensity Holden will be looking for this year.2 -
Like Simon Francis when he was here, you just get the feeling it's never going to work for him at CAFC.
Yesterday's cameo was dreadful all round.
Hopefully we can move him on somehow.0 -
boggzy said:Like Simon Francis when he was here, you just get the feeling it's never going to work for him at CAFC.
Yesterday's cameo was dreadful all round.
Hopefully we can move him on somehow.So this is how I see it. Nobody can rewrite history and say the players time has been a roaring success at Charlton because it clearly hasn’t.
I’m sure there is every chance Kirk will move on and then we will be on to the new scapegoat.
But the bit in bold? No - not having that. Any other player repeating the performance would have barely been noticed. Every slightly controversial moment is overanalysed, every error emphasised and if he doesn’t run around like a loon he isn’t doing enough.It hasn’t worked out and he will move on I am sure, but yesterday was just a standard average last 10 mins sub performance.
The reaction is blown totally out of proportion.28
