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The Takeover Thread v3.0 - DONE! - Methven interview in the Telegraph (p55)
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Well for now, getting back to the championship. And from Prague's interview sounds like they are alligned with that thought and ambition.Airman Brown said:
It would be helpful to understand what people think “success” looks like.charente addick said:
Thanks Prague - interesting.PragueAddick said:Ok then, Methven interview ready to go.
Inevitably the interview and the motivations behind it are already being slagged off in certain quarters in the usual style, so I'm posting as a reminder the original intro article which explains that this was all CM's own initiative, The link to the main article is at the bottom of that one. When you get to it, you'll see the banner image is a mess, bear with us, I may need techie help with that.
I think the main benefit is an insight into how the structure will work (assuming he is still able to speak for all significant consortium members). There's more than will be possible to put into a club PR statement even if they wanted to. But there were interesting things he asked to keep off the record, and other things we had no time for, such as the future of the real estate. As you will see, he really wanted to talk about him at Sunderland which I managed to avoid until we got to the end of the designated running time, and Zoom terminated that abruptly
Looking forward to see what people make of it
I guess my more emotional reaction is one of mild disappointment although I'm not sure what else I was expecting. Maybe it's because a lot of this has leaked already and I was hoping for something extra. Maybe I was hoping for a clearer statement of ambitious intent but, again, that is probably an unrealistic expectation. The rest of this transfer window and the next will tell us more.
My head has some concerns:
- I'm worried that there will be no one Head of Charlton - we'll have Rodwell, Scott and Warwick all having seemingly equal status but potentially different visions, missions, objectives - whatever you want to call it - with great potential for core disagreements - who pulls the whole thing together? CM paints a picture of himself as some sort of Walsingham type character whispering in the investor's ears which, again, has the potential for major disruption going forward
- Would like to know a LOT more about Global Football Partners Ltd. Is this just a CAFC vehicle or does it have a wider remit and where does CAFC fit into it?
- CM himself says that GB & JF's investments are relatively small beer for them so that would make it very easy for these individuals to walk away yet I guess we are hugely/solely reliant on them to fund short/medium term losses.
So, my jury is still out, partly driven by our painful experiences in recent years. I'm not in the Airman camp of saying it will fail but I would want to understand a lot more before I adorn my bedroom with Gabriel Brener/Josh Friedman duvets and pillows.
It's pretty much all we can ask for isn't it?
Wild claims of Europe in 5; years are hopefully a thing of the past.
Some of what Methven said actually made a lot of sense to me.
A realistic plan with competent people will do me all day long.
What would success in the short term look like to you?10 -
Luton probably spent less than that over the last decade.Todds_right_hook said:
Is that how much Plymouth have spent on the last two seasons?Airman Brown said:
Sounds fine but will probably require, shall we say, £100m net investment?Covered_End_Lad said:
I think for the vast majority of us success would be building a squad capable of a minimum top 6 finish this year, with the aim to get promoted next year if we don't win the play offs this season. Once promoted, steady and intelligent investment to establish us as a Championship team with an outside shot at the playoffs over the few years after that.Airman Brown said:
It would be helpful to understand what people think “success” looks like.charente addick said:
Thanks Prague - interesting.PragueAddick said:Ok then, Methven interview ready to go.
Inevitably the interview and the motivations behind it are already being slagged off in certain quarters in the usual style, so I'm posting as a reminder the original intro article which explains that this was all CM's own initiative, The link to the main article is at the bottom of that one. When you get to it, you'll see the banner image is a mess, bear with us, I may need techie help with that.
I think the main benefit is an insight into how the structure will work (assuming he is still able to speak for all significant consortium members). There's more than will be possible to put into a club PR statement even if they wanted to. But there were interesting things he asked to keep off the record, and other things we had no time for, such as the future of the real estate. As you will see, he really wanted to talk about him at Sunderland which I managed to avoid until we got to the end of the designated running time, and Zoom terminated that abruptly
Looking forward to see what people make of it
I guess my more emotional reaction is one of mild disappointment although I'm not sure what else I was expecting. Maybe it's because a lot of this has leaked already and I was hoping for something extra. Maybe I was hoping for a clearer statement of ambitious intent but, again, that is probably an unrealistic expectation. The rest of this transfer window and the next will tell us more.
My head has some concerns:
- I'm worried that there will be no one Head of Charlton - we'll have Rodwell, Scott and Warwick all having seemingly equal status but potentially different visions, missions, objectives - whatever you want to call it - with great potential for core disagreements - who pulls the whole thing together? CM paints a picture of himself as some sort of Walsingham type character whispering in the investor's ears which, again, has the potential for major disruption going forward
- Would like to know a LOT more about Global Football Partners Ltd. Is this just a CAFC vehicle or does it have a wider remit and where does CAFC fit into it?
- CM himself says that GB & JF's investments are relatively small beer for them so that would make it very easy for these individuals to walk away yet I guess we are hugely/solely reliant on them to fund short/medium term losses.
So, my jury is still out, partly driven by our painful experiences in recent years. I'm not in the Airman camp of saying it will fail but I would want to understand a lot more before I adorn my bedroom with Gabriel Brener/Josh Friedman duvets and pillows.
If we can do the above whilst attaining category one status for the academy I think that is a very successful 4-5 years of ownership without needing gamble astronomical sums.
I know it sounds easy written down and no doubt there will be big challenges along the way to achieve it, but having at the right senior management team in place and astute investment in the playing side should make it a real possibility.8 -
Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?59
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I’d say this + an actual realistic plan to unite the club with The Valley.Covered_End_Lad said:
I think for the vast majority of us success would be building a squad capable of a minimum top 6 finish this year, with the aim to get promoted next year if we don't win the play offs this season. Once promoted, steady and intelligent investment to establish us as a Championship team with an outside shot at the playoffs over the few years after that.Airman Brown said:
It would be helpful to understand what people think “success” looks like.charente addick said:
Thanks Prague - interesting.PragueAddick said:Ok then, Methven interview ready to go.
Inevitably the interview and the motivations behind it are already being slagged off in certain quarters in the usual style, so I'm posting as a reminder the original intro article which explains that this was all CM's own initiative, The link to the main article is at the bottom of that one. When you get to it, you'll see the banner image is a mess, bear with us, I may need techie help with that.
I think the main benefit is an insight into how the structure will work (assuming he is still able to speak for all significant consortium members). There's more than will be possible to put into a club PR statement even if they wanted to. But there were interesting things he asked to keep off the record, and other things we had no time for, such as the future of the real estate. As you will see, he really wanted to talk about him at Sunderland which I managed to avoid until we got to the end of the designated running time, and Zoom terminated that abruptly
Looking forward to see what people make of it
I guess my more emotional reaction is one of mild disappointment although I'm not sure what else I was expecting. Maybe it's because a lot of this has leaked already and I was hoping for something extra. Maybe I was hoping for a clearer statement of ambitious intent but, again, that is probably an unrealistic expectation. The rest of this transfer window and the next will tell us more.
My head has some concerns:
- I'm worried that there will be no one Head of Charlton - we'll have Rodwell, Scott and Warwick all having seemingly equal status but potentially different visions, missions, objectives - whatever you want to call it - with great potential for core disagreements - who pulls the whole thing together? CM paints a picture of himself as some sort of Walsingham type character whispering in the investor's ears which, again, has the potential for major disruption going forward
- Would like to know a LOT more about Global Football Partners Ltd. Is this just a CAFC vehicle or does it have a wider remit and where does CAFC fit into it?
- CM himself says that GB & JF's investments are relatively small beer for them so that would make it very easy for these individuals to walk away yet I guess we are hugely/solely reliant on them to fund short/medium term losses.
So, my jury is still out, partly driven by our painful experiences in recent years. I'm not in the Airman camp of saying it will fail but I would want to understand a lot more before I adorn my bedroom with Gabriel Brener/Josh Friedman duvets and pillows.
If we can do the above whilst attaining category one status for the academy I think that is a very successful 4-5 years of ownership without needing gamble astronomical sums.
I know it sounds easy written down and no doubt there will be big challenges along the way to achieve it, but having at the right senior management team in place and astute investment in the playing side should make it a real possibility.2 -
Success in the short term has already been achieved... we have gotten rid of "The Guitar Man", 'cos that was all he was mildly ok at, and now for the long term success..
Stability as a club, something that has been sadly missing for a decade would be a def success and would be something to look forward to, coupled with getting back into the Championship within two seasons and getting The Valley & Sparrows Lane back within the club, that would be success as far as I see it...now let's just hope this lot can pull it off...0 -
I am up for a bit of optimism in the air so don't take this reply as a negative one, but clubs like Plymouth and Brentford (And Peterboro to be fair, though I think they have slightly lost their way over last couple of years) have been brilliantly run over a really long period of time and have been slowly building, meaning last season wasn't just a well funded flash in the pan. We have not. We will have to spend more than them to get up to their level and beyond. It is definitely possible.Todds_right_hook said:
Is that how much Plymouth have spent on the last two seasons?Airman Brown said:
Sounds fine but will probably require, shall we say, £100m net investment?Covered_End_Lad said:
I think for the vast majority of us success would be building a squad capable of a minimum top 6 finish this year, with the aim to get promoted next year if we don't win the play offs this season. Once promoted, steady and intelligent investment to establish us as a Championship team with an outside shot at the playoffs over the few years after that.Airman Brown said:
It would be helpful to understand what people think “success” looks like.charente addick said:
Thanks Prague - interesting.PragueAddick said:Ok then, Methven interview ready to go.
Inevitably the interview and the motivations behind it are already being slagged off in certain quarters in the usual style, so I'm posting as a reminder the original intro article which explains that this was all CM's own initiative, The link to the main article is at the bottom of that one. When you get to it, you'll see the banner image is a mess, bear with us, I may need techie help with that.
I think the main benefit is an insight into how the structure will work (assuming he is still able to speak for all significant consortium members). There's more than will be possible to put into a club PR statement even if they wanted to. But there were interesting things he asked to keep off the record, and other things we had no time for, such as the future of the real estate. As you will see, he really wanted to talk about him at Sunderland which I managed to avoid until we got to the end of the designated running time, and Zoom terminated that abruptly
Looking forward to see what people make of it
I guess my more emotional reaction is one of mild disappointment although I'm not sure what else I was expecting. Maybe it's because a lot of this has leaked already and I was hoping for something extra. Maybe I was hoping for a clearer statement of ambitious intent but, again, that is probably an unrealistic expectation. The rest of this transfer window and the next will tell us more.
My head has some concerns:
- I'm worried that there will be no one Head of Charlton - we'll have Rodwell, Scott and Warwick all having seemingly equal status but potentially different visions, missions, objectives - whatever you want to call it - with great potential for core disagreements - who pulls the whole thing together? CM paints a picture of himself as some sort of Walsingham type character whispering in the investor's ears which, again, has the potential for major disruption going forward
- Would like to know a LOT more about Global Football Partners Ltd. Is this just a CAFC vehicle or does it have a wider remit and where does CAFC fit into it?
- CM himself says that GB & JF's investments are relatively small beer for them so that would make it very easy for these individuals to walk away yet I guess we are hugely/solely reliant on them to fund short/medium term losses.
So, my jury is still out, partly driven by our painful experiences in recent years. I'm not in the Airman camp of saying it will fail but I would want to understand a lot more before I adorn my bedroom with Gabriel Brener/Josh Friedman duvets and pillows.
If we can do the above whilst attaining category one status for the academy I think that is a very successful 4-5 years of ownership without needing gamble astronomical sums.
I know it sounds easy written down and no doubt there will be big challenges along the way to achieve it, but having at the right senior management team in place and astute investment in the playing side should make it a real possibility.
I would hope we can aspire to be run like those clubs because I believe we have some amazing things at our club that the others don't have such as our academy and wonderful community work and if someone gets it right, then there is so much potential.7 -
I understand people being sceptical/not trusting the new owners, but swear some of our fans are hoping we're not successful so they can say "told you so". Time will tell but I think there's plenty of positive signs if you look for them. We certainly seem to be in no danger of entering administration, or something similar, so I think it's time for us to relax, get back to discussing football like normal fans and wait to see what happens over the next couple of seasons.5
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See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.51 -
You forgot to mention that the owner really gets us as a club, that line is always somewhere out thereAirman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t.5 -
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It's a fair point but you can't argue that things won't get any better with TS, then argue that they will once there is a change. That's emotionally and mentally playing around with fans, who just want a simple message conveyed.Airman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.2 -
I don’t see this as a negative post at all.RC_CAFC said:
I am up for a bit of optimism in the air so don't take this reply as a negative one, but clubs like Plymouth and Brentford (And Peterboro to be fair, though I think they have slightly lost their way over last couple of years) have been brilliantly run over a really long period of time and have been slowly building, meaning last season wasn't just a well funded flash in the pan. We have not. We will have to spend more than them to get up to their level and beyond. It is definitely possible.Todds_right_hook said:
Is that how much Plymouth have spent on the last two seasons?Airman Brown said:
Sounds fine but will probably require, shall we say, £100m net investment?Covered_End_Lad said:
I think for the vast majority of us success would be building a squad capable of a minimum top 6 finish this year, with the aim to get promoted next year if we don't win the play offs this season. Once promoted, steady and intelligent investment to establish us as a Championship team with an outside shot at the playoffs over the few years after that.Airman Brown said:
It would be helpful to understand what people think “success” looks like.charente addick said:
Thanks Prague - interesting.PragueAddick said:Ok then, Methven interview ready to go.
Inevitably the interview and the motivations behind it are already being slagged off in certain quarters in the usual style, so I'm posting as a reminder the original intro article which explains that this was all CM's own initiative, The link to the main article is at the bottom of that one. When you get to it, you'll see the banner image is a mess, bear with us, I may need techie help with that.
I think the main benefit is an insight into how the structure will work (assuming he is still able to speak for all significant consortium members). There's more than will be possible to put into a club PR statement even if they wanted to. But there were interesting things he asked to keep off the record, and other things we had no time for, such as the future of the real estate. As you will see, he really wanted to talk about him at Sunderland which I managed to avoid until we got to the end of the designated running time, and Zoom terminated that abruptly
Looking forward to see what people make of it
I guess my more emotional reaction is one of mild disappointment although I'm not sure what else I was expecting. Maybe it's because a lot of this has leaked already and I was hoping for something extra. Maybe I was hoping for a clearer statement of ambitious intent but, again, that is probably an unrealistic expectation. The rest of this transfer window and the next will tell us more.
My head has some concerns:
- I'm worried that there will be no one Head of Charlton - we'll have Rodwell, Scott and Warwick all having seemingly equal status but potentially different visions, missions, objectives - whatever you want to call it - with great potential for core disagreements - who pulls the whole thing together? CM paints a picture of himself as some sort of Walsingham type character whispering in the investor's ears which, again, has the potential for major disruption going forward
- Would like to know a LOT more about Global Football Partners Ltd. Is this just a CAFC vehicle or does it have a wider remit and where does CAFC fit into it?
- CM himself says that GB & JF's investments are relatively small beer for them so that would make it very easy for these individuals to walk away yet I guess we are hugely/solely reliant on them to fund short/medium term losses.
So, my jury is still out, partly driven by our painful experiences in recent years. I'm not in the Airman camp of saying it will fail but I would want to understand a lot more before I adorn my bedroom with Gabriel Brener/Josh Friedman duvets and pillows.
If we can do the above whilst attaining category one status for the academy I think that is a very successful 4-5 years of ownership without needing gamble astronomical sums.
I know it sounds easy written down and no doubt there will be big challenges along the way to achieve it, but having at the right senior management team in place and astute investment in the playing side should make it a real possibility.
I would hope we can aspire to be run like those clubs because I believe we have some amazing things at our club that the others don't have such as our academy and wonderful community work and if someone gets it right, then there is so much potential.
That we can outsell Sunderland at Wembley, pack the place for a third division play off game, turn up when needed against Brighton, take 9000+ on a long schlepp to Manchester on a winter’s Tuesday evening, none of us with the expectation of winning, but forcibly and thunderously getting behind our lads. This kind of thing, alongside our Academy and excellent community trust is what gives me some kind of hope for the future.
It can happen under a committed and skilled executive that can buy into our culture the way Dean Holden has.16 -
Imagine him as your neighbourButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?11 -
Airman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.
It's not a case of discounting evidence, or being surprised, or not willing to ask the questions. The vast majority of us are just normal fans, we have zero control over the ownerships of the club, or how it's run. The means when new owners come in we really only have 2 choices, be positive and hope for the best, or walk away.
The third option is accept it's going to be a shit and waste or time and money suffering week after week, an unhealthy and masochistic choice.
That being the case most of us choose to hope for the best and continue to support the club season after season. I don't think anybody has the right to judge us for that, not to be surprised when we don't want to hear an unending list of negatives. We've made our choice, we don't need the choice questioned over and over again.15 -
There is one way in which it might stack up more easily, and that is if the Regulator comes in and sparks, or insists on, a fairer distribution of revenues down the leagues, starting with abolition of parachute payments. In other words makes the Championship more financially sustainable. Big "if", I know, and might take a while - the FAPL will fight all the way and insist on phasing it in more gradually than we'd like, but the chances of this happening are the best since the FAPL was formed. Methven's been involved in work on that White Paper, and so this might have been part of his sales pitch.Airman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.5 -
I’m quite optimistic after reading that interview, time will tell though.0
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@Airman Brown what do you think is the absolute ceiling for Charlton with this current ownership group?Airman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.0 -
I think it’s those who object to the questions being asked who are the issue. Being disengaged with the situation off the pitch is an option for all of us and a perfectly reasonable choice.randy andy said:Airman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.
It's not a case of discounting evidence, or being surprised, or not willing to ask the questions. The vast majority of us are just normal fans, we have zero control over the ownerships of the club, or how it's run. The means when new owners come in we really only have 2 choices, be positive and hope for the best, or walk away.
The third option is accept it's going to be a shit and waste or time and money suffering week after week, an unhealthy and masochistic choice.
That being the case most of us choose to hope for the best and continue to support the club season after season. I don't think anybody has the right to judge us for that, not to be surprised when we don't want to hear an unending list of negatives. We've made our choice, we don't need the choice questioned over and over again.11 -
What doesn't add up? Sometimes I feel that unless it's your mate varney being involved it's automatically bad.Airman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.Other owners with different business models and ideas to what you are used to, can actually work.23 -
Minimum of 15 Chips at the very least.carly burn said:
Well for now, getting back to the championship. And from Prague's interview sounds like they are alligned with that thought and ambition.Airman Brown said:
It would be helpful to understand what people think “success” looks like.charente addick said:
Thanks Prague - interesting.PragueAddick said:Ok then, Methven interview ready to go.
Inevitably the interview and the motivations behind it are already being slagged off in certain quarters in the usual style, so I'm posting as a reminder the original intro article which explains that this was all CM's own initiative, The link to the main article is at the bottom of that one. When you get to it, you'll see the banner image is a mess, bear with us, I may need techie help with that.
I think the main benefit is an insight into how the structure will work (assuming he is still able to speak for all significant consortium members). There's more than will be possible to put into a club PR statement even if they wanted to. But there were interesting things he asked to keep off the record, and other things we had no time for, such as the future of the real estate. As you will see, he really wanted to talk about him at Sunderland which I managed to avoid until we got to the end of the designated running time, and Zoom terminated that abruptly
Looking forward to see what people make of it
I guess my more emotional reaction is one of mild disappointment although I'm not sure what else I was expecting. Maybe it's because a lot of this has leaked already and I was hoping for something extra. Maybe I was hoping for a clearer statement of ambitious intent but, again, that is probably an unrealistic expectation. The rest of this transfer window and the next will tell us more.
My head has some concerns:
- I'm worried that there will be no one Head of Charlton - we'll have Rodwell, Scott and Warwick all having seemingly equal status but potentially different visions, missions, objectives - whatever you want to call it - with great potential for core disagreements - who pulls the whole thing together? CM paints a picture of himself as some sort of Walsingham type character whispering in the investor's ears which, again, has the potential for major disruption going forward
- Would like to know a LOT more about Global Football Partners Ltd. Is this just a CAFC vehicle or does it have a wider remit and where does CAFC fit into it?
- CM himself says that GB & JF's investments are relatively small beer for them so that would make it very easy for these individuals to walk away yet I guess we are hugely/solely reliant on them to fund short/medium term losses.
So, my jury is still out, partly driven by our painful experiences in recent years. I'm not in the Airman camp of saying it will fail but I would want to understand a lot more before I adorn my bedroom with Gabriel Brener/Josh Friedman duvets and pillows.
It's pretty much all we can ask for isn't it?
Wild claims of Europe in 5; years are hopefully a thing of the past.
Some of what Methven said actually made a lot of sense to me.
A realistic plan with competent people will do me all day long.
What would success in the short term look like to you?3 -
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Fifth time lucky then.Todds_right_hook said:
What doesn't add up? Sometimes I feel that unless it's your mate varney being involved it's automatically bad.Airman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.Other owners with different business models and ideas to what you are used to, can actually work.8 -
I think unless he gets the involvement he want and thinks he deserves he's going to slag itTodds_right_hook said:
What doesn't add up? Sometimes I feel that unless it's your mate varney being involved it's automatically bad.Airman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.Other owners with different business models and ideas to what you are used to, can actually work.5 -
I think @Covered_End_Lad pretty much nailed it, although I don’t see category one status as an end in itself and I don’t think a top-six finish in L1 and PO failure is good enough in 23/24 (meaning as it would five straight seasons in L1).carly burn said:
Well for now, getting back to the championship. And from Prague's interview sounds like they are alligned with that thought and ambition.Airman Brown said:
It would be helpful to understand what people think “success” looks like.charente addick said:
Thanks Prague - interesting.PragueAddick said:Ok then, Methven interview ready to go.
Inevitably the interview and the motivations behind it are already being slagged off in certain quarters in the usual style, so I'm posting as a reminder the original intro article which explains that this was all CM's own initiative, The link to the main article is at the bottom of that one. When you get to it, you'll see the banner image is a mess, bear with us, I may need techie help with that.
I think the main benefit is an insight into how the structure will work (assuming he is still able to speak for all significant consortium members). There's more than will be possible to put into a club PR statement even if they wanted to. But there were interesting things he asked to keep off the record, and other things we had no time for, such as the future of the real estate. As you will see, he really wanted to talk about him at Sunderland which I managed to avoid until we got to the end of the designated running time, and Zoom terminated that abruptly
Looking forward to see what people make of it
I guess my more emotional reaction is one of mild disappointment although I'm not sure what else I was expecting. Maybe it's because a lot of this has leaked already and I was hoping for something extra. Maybe I was hoping for a clearer statement of ambitious intent but, again, that is probably an unrealistic expectation. The rest of this transfer window and the next will tell us more.
My head has some concerns:
- I'm worried that there will be no one Head of Charlton - we'll have Rodwell, Scott and Warwick all having seemingly equal status but potentially different visions, missions, objectives - whatever you want to call it - with great potential for core disagreements - who pulls the whole thing together? CM paints a picture of himself as some sort of Walsingham type character whispering in the investor's ears which, again, has the potential for major disruption going forward
- Would like to know a LOT more about Global Football Partners Ltd. Is this just a CAFC vehicle or does it have a wider remit and where does CAFC fit into it?
- CM himself says that GB & JF's investments are relatively small beer for them so that would make it very easy for these individuals to walk away yet I guess we are hugely/solely reliant on them to fund short/medium term losses.
So, my jury is still out, partly driven by our painful experiences in recent years. I'm not in the Airman camp of saying it will fail but I would want to understand a lot more before I adorn my bedroom with Gabriel Brener/Josh Friedman duvets and pillows.
It's pretty much all we can ask for isn't it?
Wild claims of Europe in 5; years are hopefully a thing of the past.
Some of what Methven said actually made a lot of sense to me.
A realistic plan with competent people will do me all day long.
What would success in the short term look like to you?
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Seth. I think I’m right in saying that even if some of your worst fears are realised, that you like me would continue to support the club or what’s left of it. I’d suspect you’d be willing to support a “phoenix club” if that were the eventual outcome ? What you’re seemingly worried about is way way way beyond the control of any of us and to be honest it’s probably highly unlikely. Why not draw a line under what’s a fait accompli and just enjoy the ride. Up, down or sideways you’ll be here caring regardless. Quite how you haven't given yourself an ulcer is beyond me. Forget what you can’t control and just support the shirt for a bit.seth plum said:
What about gambling on success, not making money, so asset stripping to make the losses less bad?shine166 said:
If you have assets yes, but that's different to a flip.. also a flip is short term and not over years. Considering the amount of people supposedly involved, id have thought there are far easier ways to make money than asset stripping CAFC.seth plum said:What about making a return on everything by asset stripping (players) and then walking away?Is it possible in business to do that?Sometimes I get two Euromillions lucky dips for £5, and occasionally will get a ‘winning’ return of £3.70 or suchlike.10 -
Questions are being asked before they have even step foot in the door though?Airman Brown said:
I think it’s those who object to the questions being asked who are the issue. Being disengaged with the situation off the pitch is an option for all of us and a perfectly reasonable choice.randy andy said:Airman Brown said:
See also Spivs, Duchatelet, Southall and Sandgaard. It’s always the same - why don’t we just discount the evidence and pose for selfies? Anyone who doesn’t is “negative”. Then people are surprised when it all turns to shit.ButtleJR said:Christ Airman, how about an ounce of positivity for once?If it doesn’t appear to stack up, the chances are it won’t. I’m just asking the questions.
It's not a case of discounting evidence, or being surprised, or not willing to ask the questions. The vast majority of us are just normal fans, we have zero control over the ownerships of the club, or how it's run. The means when new owners come in we really only have 2 choices, be positive and hope for the best, or walk away.
The third option is accept it's going to be a shit and waste or time and money suffering week after week, an unhealthy and masochistic choice.
That being the case most of us choose to hope for the best and continue to support the club season after season. I don't think anybody has the right to judge us for that, not to be surprised when we don't want to hear an unending list of negatives. We've made our choice, we don't need the choice questioned over and over again.
Think majority of us have some relative scepticism about any new owners but like it or not, they need to be given a chance before a witch hunt starts.9 -
Fair point but you can't judge a new ownership by the failures of the previous four. I would say their first bite of the apple to hit top 6 is a success. As long as it's being built on the following year with further investment of course.Airman Brown said:
I think @Covered_End_Lad pretty much nailed it, although I don’t see category one status as an end in itself and I don’t think a top-six finish in L1 and PO failure is good enough in 23/24 (meaning as it would five straight seasons in L1).carly burn said:
Well for now, getting back to the championship. And from Prague's interview sounds like they are alligned with that thought and ambition.Airman Brown said:
It would be helpful to understand what people think “success” looks like.charente addick said:
Thanks Prague - interesting.PragueAddick said:Ok then, Methven interview ready to go.
Inevitably the interview and the motivations behind it are already being slagged off in certain quarters in the usual style, so I'm posting as a reminder the original intro article which explains that this was all CM's own initiative, The link to the main article is at the bottom of that one. When you get to it, you'll see the banner image is a mess, bear with us, I may need techie help with that.
I think the main benefit is an insight into how the structure will work (assuming he is still able to speak for all significant consortium members). There's more than will be possible to put into a club PR statement even if they wanted to. But there were interesting things he asked to keep off the record, and other things we had no time for, such as the future of the real estate. As you will see, he really wanted to talk about him at Sunderland which I managed to avoid until we got to the end of the designated running time, and Zoom terminated that abruptly
Looking forward to see what people make of it
I guess my more emotional reaction is one of mild disappointment although I'm not sure what else I was expecting. Maybe it's because a lot of this has leaked already and I was hoping for something extra. Maybe I was hoping for a clearer statement of ambitious intent but, again, that is probably an unrealistic expectation. The rest of this transfer window and the next will tell us more.
My head has some concerns:
- I'm worried that there will be no one Head of Charlton - we'll have Rodwell, Scott and Warwick all having seemingly equal status but potentially different visions, missions, objectives - whatever you want to call it - with great potential for core disagreements - who pulls the whole thing together? CM paints a picture of himself as some sort of Walsingham type character whispering in the investor's ears which, again, has the potential for major disruption going forward
- Would like to know a LOT more about Global Football Partners Ltd. Is this just a CAFC vehicle or does it have a wider remit and where does CAFC fit into it?
- CM himself says that GB & JF's investments are relatively small beer for them so that would make it very easy for these individuals to walk away yet I guess we are hugely/solely reliant on them to fund short/medium term losses.
So, my jury is still out, partly driven by our painful experiences in recent years. I'm not in the Airman camp of saying it will fail but I would want to understand a lot more before I adorn my bedroom with Gabriel Brener/Josh Friedman duvets and pillows.
It's pretty much all we can ask for isn't it?
Wild claims of Europe in 5; years are hopefully a thing of the past.
Some of what Methven said actually made a lot of sense to me.
A realistic plan with competent people will do me all day long.
What would success in the short term look like to you?2 -
Hard to say , but out of our 4 most recent incumbents who do we think this new group will be most akin with?
Spivs - Had some cash flow that went south. Little bit slimy.Did bring the right sort of people to the club. But when the tap was turned off panic set in.
Duchatelet-;A spinster trying to re-invent the proverbial wheel. Football done like nobody else is doing it. But when it became clear there's a reason for that, he got nasty.
ESI- Grade A w*nkers whose sole ambition was to milk what little we had dry. Clueless from day one
Sandgaard-;Heart was in the right place, but sometimes I question that. No plan. No idea Awful recruitment. Vanity project. Moved the club not an inch forward from when he picked it up. Joker.
I'm going spivs. Hopefully, the men with the money won't sack it off mid term?
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Yeah. I’ll always be there for the time I have left, love seeing our guys come through, and would support a phoenix club.ShootersHillGuru said:
Seth. I think I’m right in saying that even if some of your worst fears are realised, that you like me would continue to support the club or what’s left of it. I’d suspect you’d be willing to support a “phoenix club” if that were the eventual outcome ? What you’re seemingly worried about is way way way beyond the control of any of us and to be honest it’s probably highly unlikely. Why not draw a line under what’s a fait accompli and just enjoy the ride. Up, down or sideways you’ll be here caring regardless. Quite how you haven't given yourself an ulcer is beyond me. Forget what you can’t control and just support the shirt for a bit.seth plum said:
What about gambling on success, not making money, so asset stripping to make the losses less bad?shine166 said:
If you have assets yes, but that's different to a flip.. also a flip is short term and not over years. Considering the amount of people supposedly involved, id have thought there are far easier ways to make money than asset stripping CAFC.seth plum said:What about making a return on everything by asset stripping (players) and then walking away?Is it possible in business to do that?Sometimes I get two Euromillions lucky dips for £5, and occasionally will get a ‘winning’ return of £3.70 or suchlike.
Perhaps I pause on what is or what isn’t under the control of any of us.
I will avoid any debate in depth by saying I don’t like being a passive supporter. Even at my age I will still join in the chanting.6 -
It’s always been “way beyond the control of any of us”, from the Glikstens onward. It doesn’t stop us exerting influence collectively and sometimes that influence has been decisive. I really, really detest the just “support the shirt” crap - it’s what people said when we moved to Selhurst.ShootersHillGuru said:
Seth. I think I’m right in saying that even if some of your worst fears are realised, that you like me would continue to support the club or what’s left of it. I’d suspect you’d be willing to support a “phoenix club” if that were the eventual outcome ? What you’re seemingly worried about is way way way beyond the control of any of us and to be honest it’s probably highly unlikely. Why not draw a line under what’s a fait accompli and just enjoy the ride. Up, down or sideways you’ll be here caring regardless. Quite how you haven't given yourself an ulcer is beyond me. Forget what you can’t control and just support the shirt for a bit.seth plum said:
What about gambling on success, not making money, so asset stripping to make the losses less bad?shine166 said:
If you have assets yes, but that's different to a flip.. also a flip is short term and not over years. Considering the amount of people supposedly involved, id have thought there are far easier ways to make money than asset stripping CAFC.seth plum said:What about making a return on everything by asset stripping (players) and then walking away?Is it possible in business to do that?Sometimes I get two Euromillions lucky dips for £5, and occasionally will get a ‘winning’ return of £3.70 or suchlike.29 -
In the very short term, promotion to the championship ASAP.Airman Brown said:
It would be helpful to understand what people think “success” looks like.charente addick said:
Thanks Prague - interesting.PragueAddick said:Ok then, Methven interview ready to go.
Inevitably the interview and the motivations behind it are already being slagged off in certain quarters in the usual style, so I'm posting as a reminder the original intro article which explains that this was all CM's own initiative, The link to the main article is at the bottom of that one. When you get to it, you'll see the banner image is a mess, bear with us, I may need techie help with that.
I think the main benefit is an insight into how the structure will work (assuming he is still able to speak for all significant consortium members). There's more than will be possible to put into a club PR statement even if they wanted to. But there were interesting things he asked to keep off the record, and other things we had no time for, such as the future of the real estate. As you will see, he really wanted to talk about him at Sunderland which I managed to avoid until we got to the end of the designated running time, and Zoom terminated that abruptly
Looking forward to see what people make of it
I guess my more emotional reaction is one of mild disappointment although I'm not sure what else I was expecting. Maybe it's because a lot of this has leaked already and I was hoping for something extra. Maybe I was hoping for a clearer statement of ambitious intent but, again, that is probably an unrealistic expectation. The rest of this transfer window and the next will tell us more.
My head has some concerns:
- I'm worried that there will be no one Head of Charlton - we'll have Rodwell, Scott and Warwick all having seemingly equal status but potentially different visions, missions, objectives - whatever you want to call it - with great potential for core disagreements - who pulls the whole thing together? CM paints a picture of himself as some sort of Walsingham type character whispering in the investor's ears which, again, has the potential for major disruption going forward
- Would like to know a LOT more about Global Football Partners Ltd. Is this just a CAFC vehicle or does it have a wider remit and where does CAFC fit into it?
- CM himself says that GB & JF's investments are relatively small beer for them so that would make it very easy for these individuals to walk away yet I guess we are hugely/solely reliant on them to fund short/medium term losses.
So, my jury is still out, partly driven by our painful experiences in recent years. I'm not in the Airman camp of saying it will fail but I would want to understand a lot more before I adorn my bedroom with Gabriel Brener/Josh Friedman duvets and pillows.
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