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  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,218
    edited July 2023
    lancashire lad said:
    It is good that the consortium have a fan on the board just a pity that instead of Mr Carter we had a member of CAST on the board. Mr Carter is an "investor" but surely us fans could have raised some finance to invest as a board member from CAST.
    What’s not to stop the supporters club asking Carter if he would like to join their board? 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    From January



    A lightbulb moment perhaps?
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    bobmunro said:
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    mendonca said:
    Does anybody on here know Munir, or Gavin? 

    In respect on Munir mate the Greenwich he is from is in the States not Seth London. I hope he is aware and does think he has bought shares in his local team 😂 
    Seth London.
    I like it.
    ‘I swear allegiance to the Peoples Republic of South East London.
    One nation under the Catford Cat.’

    I thought you were against nationalism :)
    Yeah true.
    ’I swear allegiance to the Peoples of the World, One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,905
    seth plum said:
    bobmunro said:
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    mendonca said:
    Does anybody on here know Munir, or Gavin? 

    In respect on Munir mate the Greenwich he is from is in the States not Seth London. I hope he is aware and does think he has bought shares in his local team 😂 
    Seth London.
    I like it.
    ‘I swear allegiance to the Peoples Republic of South East London.
    One nation under the Catford Cat.’

    I thought you were against nationalism :)
    Yeah true.
    ’I swear allegiance to the Peoples of the World, One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
    All people’s ??? Even Brexit voters, torries etc 😂 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    AndyG said:
    seth plum said:
    bobmunro said:
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    mendonca said:
    Does anybody on here know Munir, or Gavin? 

    In respect on Munir mate the Greenwich he is from is in the States not Seth London. I hope he is aware and does think he has bought shares in his local team 😂 
    Seth London.
    I like it.
    ‘I swear allegiance to the Peoples Republic of South East London.
    One nation under the Catford Cat.’

    I thought you were against nationalism :)
    Yeah true.
    ’I swear allegiance to the Peoples of the World, One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
    All people’s ??? Even Brexit voters, torries etc 😂 
    FFS even!

     ‘I swear allegiance to the People’s of the World except leave voters, Tories, and racists. One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,905
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    seth plum said:
    bobmunro said:
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    mendonca said:
    Does anybody on here know Munir, or Gavin? 

    In respect on Munir mate the Greenwich he is from is in the States not Seth London. I hope he is aware and does think he has bought shares in his local team 😂 
    Seth London.
    I like it.
    ‘I swear allegiance to the Peoples Republic of South East London.
    One nation under the Catford Cat.’

    I thought you were against nationalism :)
    Yeah true.
    ’I swear allegiance to the Peoples of the World, One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
    All people’s ??? Even Brexit voters, torries etc 😂 
    FFS even!

     ‘I swear allegiance to the People’s of the World except leave voters, Tories, and racists. One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
    How about TK (burger boy) as you can’t assume he is any of those caveats 😂 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    AndyG said:
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    seth plum said:
    bobmunro said:
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    mendonca said:
    Does anybody on here know Munir, or Gavin? 

    In respect on Munir mate the Greenwich he is from is in the States not Seth London. I hope he is aware and does think he has bought shares in his local team 😂 
    Seth London.
    I like it.
    ‘I swear allegiance to the Peoples Republic of South East London.
    One nation under the Catford Cat.’

    I thought you were against nationalism :)
    Yeah true.
    ’I swear allegiance to the Peoples of the World, One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
    All people’s ??? Even Brexit voters, torries etc 😂 
    FFS even!

     ‘I swear allegiance to the People’s of the World except leave voters, Tories, and racists. One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
    How about TK (burger boy) as you can’t assume he is any of those caveats 😂 
    FFS even more.

    I swear allegiance to the peoples of the world except leavers, Tories, racists, carnivores and the Spanish Inquisition. One Planet Under The Catford Cat.
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  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,163
    Why the over analysing? 

    None of us know much so why be hyper vigilant when at the moment there’s nothing to suggest we need to be on our guard.

    If it plays out differently over the coming months let’s act then!

    There’s nothing to fear bar fear itself and it ain’t knocking on the door 🚪 yet.
  • RickAddick
    RickAddick Posts: 1,198
    Anyone know what share Doris the Tea Lady owns?
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    seth plum said:
    bobmunro said:
    seth plum said:
    AndyG said:
    mendonca said:
    Does anybody on here know Munir, or Gavin? 

    In respect on Munir mate the Greenwich he is from is in the States not Seth London. I hope he is aware and does think he has bought shares in his local team 😂 
    Seth London.
    I like it.
    ‘I swear allegiance to the Peoples Republic of South East London.
    One nation under the Catford Cat.’

    I thought you were against nationalism :)
    Yeah true.
    ’I swear allegiance to the Peoples of the World, One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
    All people’s ??? Even Brexit voters, torries etc 😂 
    FFS even!

     ‘I swear allegiance to the People’s of the World except leave voters, Tories, and racists. One Planet Under the Catford Cat’.
    How about TK (burger boy) as you can’t assume he is any of those caveats 😂 
    FFS even more.

    I swear allegiance to the peoples of the world except leavers, Tories, racists, carnivores and the Spanish Inquisition. One Planet Under The Catford Cat.

    Except dogs as well by the look of it!
  • FULLERpromise
    FULLERpromise Posts: 340
    LargeAddick said:
    on the ACA article Methvan is described as BoD. What does that stand for?
    He is the new banger of drum in upper north. I assumed was board of directors but maybe something else?
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,206
    Does anyone else read Marc Bolan as one of the shareholders or am I just bonkers? 🥸
  • Mrkinski
    Mrkinski Posts: 957
    edited July 2023
    Solidgone said:
    Does anyone else read Marc Bolan as one of the shareholders or am I just bonkers? 🥸
    Yep - I catch myself doing this every time!
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,143
    By the way "Warren Rosenfeld" has inadvertently tripped up a few of us seeking to uncover who the investors were. On here,  @Henry Irving  and I were royally  tripped up...

    There was a leak of names, which was sent to me on June 15 by a Lifer who had received it from elsewhere. They just cut and pasted what had been sent. Names, and brief description. All bang on the money, it turns out, except for the description of Rosenfeld, which was Warren Rosenfeld from Maryland, US.  Owns lots of restaurants.

    So off I went scouring the web, and there wasn't a whole lot but eventually I found a Warren Rosenfeld who had about three small restaurants, one JV with a restaurant chain had failed, but he had previously been a lawyer and in real estate. No other alternatives seemed to come up. And Henry must have found the same bloke, because the following exchange took place on July 15 on the takeover thread...

    Me: ...    relieved not to see the name of a bloke who runs a couple of kosher restaurants on the New Jersey shoreline. 

    Henners: J    ewish but not kosher restaurants and in Delaware/Maryland not New Jersey.  23% stake, supposedly, same as GB and JF but where does his money come from?  Not his restaurants so at a guess his previous careers as a Washington DC corporate lawyer and real estate developer

    And yesterday it turned out that Warren Rosenfeld is a completely different bloke based on the other side of the continent and in the scrap re-cycling business.

    Important to fess up sometimes...but I wonder how the original source (I think I know who it is, but should not be named here) got the wrong info about only  that one.

    I'm also a bit puzzled that Methven had said in the May interview that the 3rd big investor alongside F&B was from New York, which seemed to fit Rosenfeld the restaurant owner. Nobody else in the current list seems to fit that description
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    edited July 2023
    PragueAddick said:


    I'm also a bit puzzled that Methven had said in the May interview that the 3rd big investor alongside F&B was from New York, which seemed to fit Rosenfeld the restaurant owner. Nobody else in the current list seems to fit that description
    Oh dear... does anyone want to tell Charlie he invited the wrong Warren Rosenfeld?  ;)
  • Making_all_the_noise
    Making_all_the_noise Posts: 213
    Are their initial working  capital commitments necessarily commensurate to their shareholdings? Presumably so, but do we have any idea what this is likely to look like?

    I understand they need to convince the EFL they can fund two year’s running costs.

    But once the two years are up, if they can’t flip the club, are they responsible for further  liabilities again based upon shareholding %?

    How exactly does it work? Sorry if this is all obvious but I think I’ve got too used to individual ownership and I’m unclear how a loss making multi shareholder business operates once initial working capital has been exhausted.
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  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,256
    Maybe the NYC investor had pulled out? Or is hiding behind one of the other names as a faceless moneyman? Munir Javer has hardly any info on him out there, perhaps he's a front for a different person? I see Boyan has recently entered a partnership with Idris Elba, and has interests listed in London, New York and LA, maybe he's the other big player (though I doubt it, he doesn't seem to have the clout of the others)
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,905
    Making_all_the_noise said:
    Are their initial working  capital commitments necessarily commensurate to their shareholdings? Presumably so, but do we have any idea what this is likely to look like?

    I understand they need to convince the EFL they can fund two year’s running costs.

    But once the two years are up, if they can’t flip the club, are they responsible for further  liabilities again based upon shareholding %?

    How exactly does it work? Sorry if this is all obvious but I think I’ve got too used to individual ownership and I’m unclear how a loss making multi shareholder business operates once initial working capital has been exhausted.
    A football club is just like any other business mate and if the cash runs out then the choice is dell if you can, raise more funds from shareholders or fold. They might have had to show proof of funds for 2 years but there is no legal obligation to do so.
    when I said football clubs are like any other business I’m incorrect as most are trading insolvent it seems which if I as a director of a company did that I would be in trouble 
  • WHAddick
    WHAddick Posts: 1,146
    PragueAddick said:
    By the way "Warren Rosenfeld" has inadvertently tripped up a few of us seeking to uncover who the investors were. On here,  @Henry Irving  and I were royally  tripped up...

    There was a leak of names, which was sent to me on June 15 by a Lifer who had received it from elsewhere. They just cut and pasted what had been sent. Names, and brief description. All bang on the money, it turns out, except for the description of Rosenfeld, which was Warren Rosenfeld from Maryland, US.  Owns lots of restaurants.

    So off I went scouring the web, and there wasn't a whole lot but eventually I found a Warren Rosenfeld who had about three small restaurants, one JV with a restaurant chain had failed, but he had previously been a lawyer and in real estate. No other alternatives seemed to come up. And Henry must have found the same bloke, because the following exchange took place on July 15 on the takeover thread...

    Me: ...    relieved not to see the name of a bloke who runs a couple of kosher restaurants on the New Jersey shoreline. 

    Henners: Jewish but not kosher restaurants and in Delaware/Maryland not New Jersey.  23% stake, supposedly, same as GB and JF but where does his money come from?  Not his restaurants so at a guess his previous careers as a Washington DC corporate lawyer and real estate developer

    And yesterday it turned out that Warren Rosenfeld is a completely different bloke based on the other side of the continent and in the scrap re-cycling business.

    Important to fess up sometimes...but I wonder how the original source (I think I know who it is, but should not be named here) got the wrong info about only  that one.

    I'm also a bit puzzled that Methven had said in the May interview that the 3rd big investor alongside F&B was from New York, which seemed to fit Rosenfeld the restaurant owner. Nobody else in the current list seems to fit that description
    Connecticut is adjacent to New York so could it be a short hand/generalised way of referring to Munir or rather his location? Especially if at the time CM himself didn't know too much about him.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    What chances are there we’ll ever see any of these “money men” at The Valley ? 
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,103
    mendonca said:
    Does anybody on here know Munir, or Gavin? 

    It’s been mentioned on ITTV that @newyorkaddick knows Mr Munir through business and has written to him to wish him luck. Evidently he represents the 3 richest men in Brazil. 
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    "we need Charlton people back in the leadership" 

    "NO NOT THAT ONE"
  • Numbers
    Numbers Posts: 834

  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,525
    RickAddick said:
    Anyone know what share Doris the Tea Lady owns?
    Trolley, teapot, 40 tea bags (filthy woman) and a few cups and saucers 
  • Horsfield9
    Horsfield9 Posts: 3,082
    Solidgone said:
    Does anyone else read Marc Bolan as one of the shareholders or am I just bonkers? 🥸
    Get it on !
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    whoever they are .. show us the fucking MONEY !

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