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Michael Appleton - March 2025 appointed Shrewsbury manager (p124)

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  • Kindoncasella
    Kindoncasella Posts: 258
    thenewbie said:
    vff said:
    Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln. 

    https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/ 

    Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect. 
    Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.

    Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.


    I don't get what Pep does to be labelled a genius. He has pretty much worked with the worlds top players everywhere at every club he has been at.


  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    edited September 2023
    Kindoncasella said:
    thenewbie said:
    vff said:
    Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln. 

    https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/ 

    Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect. 
    Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.

    Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.


    I don't get what Pep does to be labelled a genius. He has pretty much worked with the worlds top players everywhere at every club he has been at.


    The founding father of tiki taka, or at least the man who honed it into a successful style of play. His approach to football has changed the modern game and is copied at nearly all levels. He's still adapting and changing every season to try and stay ahead. 

    IMO he's changed the English game immeasurably and he's why we've got teams at L2-level and below playing possession-based football.
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,930
    With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    Danny Addick said:
    With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else. 
    I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.

    I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through? 

    They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there. 

    Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.

    Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.

    Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,990
    vff said:
    Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln. 

    https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/ 

    Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect. 
    Excellent article, recommended reading.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    edited September 2023
    Braziliance said:
    Danny Addick said:
    With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else. 
    I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.

    I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through? 

    They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there. 

    Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.

    Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.

    Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
    There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though. 
  • raytreacy69
    raytreacy69 Posts: 955
    Very good read
    interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    Chunes said:
    Braziliance said:
    Danny Addick said:
    With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else. 
    I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.

    I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through? 

    They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there. 

    Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.

    Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.

    Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
    There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though. 
    Of course there will be managers less inclined to start younger players as they may be more old school in their ways, but I doubt there's a club manager (or head coach) across the 92 who would ignore a player at the club just because they're young. I just think it's a bit of a cliché is all
  • limeygent
    limeygent Posts: 3,217
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    limeygent said:
    Like anybody who joins the club, Appleton starts with a clean slate, for me. 
    Karel Fraeye even.
    Without exception.
  • Jac_52
    Jac_52 Posts: 1,460
    raytreacy69 said:
    Very good read
    interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles

    If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    edited September 2023
    Braziliance said:
    Chunes said:
    Braziliance said:
    Danny Addick said:
    With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else. 
    I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.

    I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through? 

    They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there. 

    Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.

    Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.

    Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
    There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though. 
    Of course there will be managers less inclined to start younger players as they may be more old school in their ways, but I doubt there's a club manager (or head coach) across the 92 who would ignore a player at the club just because they're young. I just think it's a bit of a cliché is all
    But that's what I mean. If, like you say – there are managers who are less inclined to start young players – then we shouldn't be hiring them. It's key that we maintain that clear pathway through to the first team because that no doubt it plays a big role in us being able to attract the youth talent that we do. Hiring a Mourinho-style manager who doesn't give young players a chance wouldn't work for us. I don't think it's a soundbite it's just common sense. 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    seth plum said:
    And to be champions usually requires between 94 and 100 points.
    About another 88 points to win.
    Starting with the vital three points away at Stevenage next Saturday.

    I admire your tenacity Seth
    Or indefatigability?
  • PeanutsMolloy
    PeanutsMolloy Posts: 6,705
    JamesSeed said:
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    seth plum said:
    And to be champions usually requires between 94 and 100 points.
    About another 88 points to win.
    Starting with the vital three points away at Stevenage next Saturday.

    I admire your tenacity Seth
    Or indefatigability?
     Thank you. That’s the word I was searching for.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    Chunes said:
    Braziliance said:
    Chunes said:
    Braziliance said:
    Danny Addick said:
    With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else. 
    I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.

    I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through? 

    They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there. 

    Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.

    Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.

    Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
    There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though. 
    Of course there will be managers less inclined to start younger players as they may be more old school in their ways, but I doubt there's a club manager (or head coach) across the 92 who would ignore a player at the club just because they're young. I just think it's a bit of a cliché is all
    But that's what I mean. If, like you say – there are managers who are less inclined to start young players – then we shouldn't be hiring them. It's key that we maintain that clear pathway through to the first team because that no doubt it plays a big role in us being able to attract the youth talent that we do. Hiring a Mourinho-style manager who doesn't give young players a chance wouldn't work for us. I don't think it's a soundbite it's just common sense. 
    Out of every manager we were linked with though, how many have a reputation for not starting youth? 

    Probably a cynical view, but I think it's just a sound bite to soften the blow. 

    There are loads of snips like that in the statement, even stuff like 'knows how to get promotion' does he? Got Oxford promoted from League 2 over 6 seasons ago (barely) and with a very decent squad. Hasn't been promoted with a side since. 

    It's all PR spin to stop fans kicking up a fuss and hats off to them cause it's worked. 

    If this was Roland Duchatelet making these decisions, there would be serious suggestions for protests. 

    Tight in the transfer window and tight in the managerial appointment. Hardly showing they mean business are they. 

    Regardless, what's done is done. Despite my obvious caution towards these new owners, I'll still be at the games, I'll still be hoping to see us win and I'll still be cheering the lads on and enjoy the season. Just unfortunately think it's over before it really got going 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    edited September 2023
    Well it sounds like you've made your mind up. You wanted the Cowleys didn't you? Tbh I'd be kicking off more than you are now if they came in. But always felt confident they weren't. 

    Has the PR worked? I can't remember fans being less annoyed by a managerial appointment since Fraeye. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Richard J said:
    Of course if he brings in David Kerslake there would be a very obscure ex player link.

    Iirc he was on trial following his release from Spurs and was an unused sub in a league game. The next week he choose to sign for Ipswich.
    I’m ITK 😀 Kerslake coming in 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    Jac_52 said:
    raytreacy69 said:
    Very good read
    interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles

    If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
    Unless that's the reason we haven't been near the play offs since bowyer went? We haven't played him enough?

    yep, after cheap lols
  • raytreacy69
    raytreacy69 Posts: 955
    Jac_52 said:
    raytreacy69 said:
    Very good read
    interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles

    If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
    In all fairness to McGrandles I still don’t think we have seen enough of him to judge.He was good at Lincoln and did well on loan to Cambridge
    He might yet suprise us all
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    Chunes said:
    Well it sounds like you've made your mind up. You wanted the Cowleys didn't you? Tbh I'd be kicking off more than you are now if they came in.

    Has the PR worked? I can't remember fans being less annoyed by a managerial appointment since Fraeye. 
    I have mate, like I said I want to be wrong and that's why I'm willing to part with north of 300 quid in doing so, be the happiest loss of money in my life, I just don't see it. Won't change my optimism going into every game, just have the feeling as Sunderland fans have warned us that it's out of the frying pan and straight into another frying pan.

    I think it's worked in the sense that people are finding positives and the general consensus seems to be impartiality, no one seems to bothered he's in. 

    The only three positives I will give him are: 

    - he looks dead hard and no one is gonna want to be taking the piss in training 

    - he is probably a better manager than Dean Holden 

    - he will probably make us less suspect at the back.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    edited September 2023
    Braziliance said:
    My thoughts on Appledon taking the hot seat, fair warning, I am not in favour and if you're looking for a positive video this won't be it.  :#


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WXdlTyDkyk
    Nice one, can’t really disagree with a lot that was said, you’re just saying it how you see it.

    Noticed the bottle of Jim Beam at the beginning, fear it may have taken a hammering by the time you got to the end of the podcast!
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Braziliance said:
    Chunes said:
    Braziliance said:
    Danny Addick said:
    With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else. 
    I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.

    I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through? 

    They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there. 

    Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.

    Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.

    Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
    There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though. 
    Of course there will be managers less inclined to start younger players as they may be more old school in their ways, but I doubt there's a club manager (or head coach) across the 92 who would ignore a player at the club just because they're young. I just think it's a bit of a cliché is all
    Old school in there ways?  Playing young players isn't some recent phenomenon.

    Ironically the best way to encourage a manager to play youngsters is not not sack them every six months.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Braziliance said:
    Chunes said:
    Braziliance said:
    Danny Addick said:
    With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else. 
    I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.

    I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through? 

    They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there. 

    Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.

    Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.

    Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
    There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though. 
    Of course there will be managers less inclined to start younger players as they may be more old school in their ways, but I doubt there's a club manager (or head coach) across the 92 who would ignore a player at the club just because they're young. I just think it's a bit of a cliché is all
    Old school in there ways?  Playing young players isn't some recent phenomenon.

    Ironically the best way to encourage a manager to play youngsters is not not sack them every six months.
    I didn't say it was, just that there are older types of managers who opt for experienced/journeyed players. 

    The other way is to avoid spending money on experienced players in the transfer window, so they balanced it out tbf 
  • PeanutsMolloy
    PeanutsMolloy Posts: 6,705
    raytreacy69 said:
    Jac_52 said:
    raytreacy69 said:
    Very good read
    interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles

    If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
    In all fairness to McGrandles I still don’t think we have seen enough of him to judge.He was good at Lincoln and did well on loan to Cambridge
    He might yet suprise us all
    A lot of Lifers thought Dobbo a dud early on.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Braziliance said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Braziliance said:
    Chunes said:
    Braziliance said:
    Danny Addick said:
    With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else. 
    I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.

    I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through? 

    They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there. 

    Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.

    Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.

    Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
    There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though. 
    Of course there will be managers less inclined to start younger players as they may be more old school in their ways, but I doubt there's a club manager (or head coach) across the 92 who would ignore a player at the club just because they're young. I just think it's a bit of a cliché is all
    Old school in there ways?  Playing young players isn't some recent phenomenon.

    Ironically the best way to encourage a manager to play youngsters is not not sack them every six months.
    I didn't say it was, just that there are older types of managers who opt for experienced/journeyed players. 

    The other way is to avoid spending money on experienced players in the transfer window, so they balanced it out tbf 
    I really don't know what you actually mean about "older types" of managers.


  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    IAgree said:
    seth plum said:
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    seth plum said:
    And to be champions usually requires between 94 and 100 points.
    About another 88 points to win.
    Starting with the vital three points away at Stevenage next Saturday.

    I admire your tenacity Seth
    I am sick of this fourth successive season watching our club playing at this level. I suspect everybody else is.

    The clutter of our club is complex and embarrassing and depressing, so I have decided it would be good to focus on what the latest regime delivers, and I want them to deliver automatic promotion.

    I am sneered at for that by some, like when I say we should win the next eight games in a row. But those games won would create a platform for automatic promotion before it is simply too late once again.

    At the moment the regime is miles away from getting us automatic promotion, for that reason what they have done so far deserves scrutiny and where appropriate criticism. 

    Additionally when they go on and on about young player development it suggests they have not been developing fine already, but they have haven’t they? The young player manoeuvre also acts as a way of distracting fans from the real prize, which I repeat is automatic promotion.

    This lot decided for some mysterious and suspicious reason to acquire Charlton Athletic Football Club. Billionaires no less so we are led to believe, so my apparent tenacity is to see if our experts backed by billions can deliver the promotion we all want.

    Two league wins and four defeats so far suggests to me they are failing. A win at Stevenage would represent one step on the road to success.
    So we are all sick of this league, we all want promotion, we all have concerns about the over reliance on youth and there’s no mystery about the new regime, who have no doubt been sold a very rosey picture of how easy it is to get promoted by Charlie. I don’t think anyone has sneered at you (disagreeing isn’t sneering) and advocating that we should give a new manager, any new manager, one game to turn the team is extreme. To suggest winning 8 on the trot is a reasonable or realistic target is equally extreme.

    I strongly suspect that what you really want is an argument attention.

  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    Chunes said:
    Kindoncasella said:
    thenewbie said:
    vff said:
    Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln. 

    https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/ 

    Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect. 
    Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.

    Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.


    I don't get what Pep does to be labelled a genius. He has pretty much worked with the worlds top players everywhere at every club he has been at.


    The founding father of tiki taka, or at least the man who honed it into a successful style of play. His approach to football has changed the modern game and are copied at nearly all levels. He's still adapting and changing every season to try and stay ahead. 

    IMO he's changed the English game immeasurably and he's why we've got teams at L2-level and below playing possession-based football.
    Yes, that's what I thought.  And then I bumped into a Leeds Vs Southampton game from March 1972. The Leeds press was a real eye-opener as was their swift accurate passing and movement. And then what next? Norman Hunter on the left wing to put in a perfect cross for the striker to head home. Except it wasn't Mick Jones or Alan Clarke but Jack Charlton.  Perhaps Pep got the ideas from Don Revie?

    https://youtu.be/22u28SjVXPY
  • SamB09
    SamB09 Posts: 901
    Chunes said:
    Kindoncasella said:
    thenewbie said:
    vff said:
    Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln. 

    https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/ 

    Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect. 
    Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.

    Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.


    I don't get what Pep does to be labelled a genius. He has pretty much worked with the worlds top players everywhere at every club he has been at.


    The founding father of tiki taka, or at least the man who honed it into a successful style of play. His approach to football has changed the modern game and are copied at nearly all levels. He's still adapting and changing every season to try and stay ahead. 

    IMO he's changed the English game immeasurably and he's why we've got teams at L2-level and below playing possession-based football.
    playing out from the back didn’t go to well when Garner was in charge
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    The Prince-e-Paul said:
    I'd love for us to go up this season, but don't think that it will happen.

    I'm willing to pledge £50 to a charity (could be the Upbeats) that will be donated if promotion is achieved.

    Anyone else willing to offer the same Money-where-your-mouth-is pledge?

    Come on, it's a win win. 😁


    Yes , I will do this .  50 quid if we go up to the upbeats . 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    cafcfan said:
    Chunes said:
    Kindoncasella said:
    thenewbie said:
    vff said:
    Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln. 

    https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/ 

    Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect. 
    Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.

    Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.


    I don't get what Pep does to be labelled a genius. He has pretty much worked with the worlds top players everywhere at every club he has been at.


    The founding father of tiki taka, or at least the man who honed it into a successful style of play. His approach to football has changed the modern game and are copied at nearly all levels. He's still adapting and changing every season to try and stay ahead. 

    IMO he's changed the English game immeasurably and he's why we've got teams at L2-level and below playing possession-based football.
    Yes, that's what I thought.  And then I bumped into a Leeds Vs Southampton game from March 1972. The Leeds press was a real eye-opener as was their swift accurate passing and movement. And then what next? Norman Hunter on the left wing to put in a perfect cross for the striker to head home. Except it wasn't Mick Jones or Alan Clarke but Jack Charlton.  Perhaps Pep got the ideas from Don Revie?

    https://youtu.be/22u28SjVXPY
    This goal predates Pep as well.

    https://youtu.be/COe5Y29-BZY?si=pzoHHxMi2EIv1mGG

    Spain started playing tiki taka after they got knocked out of the 2006 world cup and dropped Raul and Guti.

    To claim that Pep invented it is completely wrong, and I don't think @Chunes was, but he probably perfected it, despite him saying its not tiki taka at all.

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