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Michael Appleton - March 2025 appointed Shrewsbury manager (p124)
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I remember reading that one Sunderland fan had said he was "a disaster of a player" and it was "like watching a dog chasing a balloon!" I don't pay much heed of other fans opinions and prefer to make up my own mind. Same with managers.PeanutsMolloy said:
A lot of Lifers thought Dobbo a dud early on.raytreacy69 said:
In all fairness to McGrandles I still don’t think we have seen enough of him to judge.He was good at Lincoln and did well on loan to CambridgeJac_52 said:raytreacy69 said:Very good read
interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles
If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
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I think Guardiola names Cruyff, Sacchi and Bielsa as his big influences. I don't think anyone would ever suggest he invented passing the football.cafcfan said:
Yes, that's what I thought. And then I bumped into a Leeds Vs Southampton game from March 1972. The Leeds press was a real eye-opener as was their swift accurate passing and movement. And then what next? Norman Hunter on the left wing to put in a perfect cross for the striker to head home. Except it wasn't Mick Jones or Alan Clarke but Jack Charlton. Perhaps Pep got the ideas from Don Revie?Chunes said:
The founding father of tiki taka, or at least the man who honed it into a successful style of play. His approach to football has changed the modern game and are copied at nearly all levels. He's still adapting and changing every season to try and stay ahead.Kindoncasella said:
I don't get what Pep does to be labelled a genius. He has pretty much worked with the worlds top players everywhere at every club he has been at.thenewbie said:
Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.vff said:Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln.https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/
Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect.
Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.
IMO he's changed the English game immeasurably and he's why we've got teams at L2-level and below playing possession-based football.
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Harry Rednapp springs to mind. Always seemed to recruit players on their way down, but I agree that is not an “older type”, just a manager looking to make a quick fix.Cafc43v3r said:
I really don't know what you actually mean about "older types" of managers.Braziliance said:
I didn't say it was, just that there are older types of managers who opt for experienced/journeyed players.Cafc43v3r said:
Old school in there ways? Playing young players isn't some recent phenomenon.Braziliance said:
Of course there will be managers less inclined to start younger players as they may be more old school in their ways, but I doubt there's a club manager (or head coach) across the 92 who would ignore a player at the club just because they're young. I just think it's a bit of a cliché is allChunes said:
There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though.Braziliance said:
I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.Danny Addick said:With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else.
I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through?
They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there.
Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.
Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.
Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
Ironically the best way to encourage a manager to play youngsters is not not sack them every six months.
The other way is to avoid spending money on experienced players in the transfer window, so they balanced it out tbf
Understandable given how little time they are given.
Developing players is code for selling to break even or move forward IMO1 -
In the words of Jim Bowen (you can’t beat a bit of bullie) look at what you could have won!
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The Rednapp that brought through Lampard, Cole, Rio, De Foe et al?Redrobo said:
Harry Rednapp springs to mind. Always seemed to recruit players on their way down, but I agree that is not an “older type”, just a manager looking to make a quick fix.Cafc43v3r said:
I really don't know what you actually mean about "older types" of managers.Braziliance said:
I didn't say it was, just that there are older types of managers who opt for experienced/journeyed players.Cafc43v3r said:
Old school in there ways? Playing young players isn't some recent phenomenon.Braziliance said:
Of course there will be managers less inclined to start younger players as they may be more old school in their ways, but I doubt there's a club manager (or head coach) across the 92 who would ignore a player at the club just because they're young. I just think it's a bit of a cliché is allChunes said:
There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though.Braziliance said:
I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.Danny Addick said:With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else.
I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through?
They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there.
Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.
Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.
Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
Ironically the best way to encourage a manager to play youngsters is not not sack them every six months.
The other way is to avoid spending money on experienced players in the transfer window, so they balanced it out tbf
Understandable given how little time they are given.
Developing players is code for selling to break even or move forward IMO
If your job is for six months to avoid relegation your not going to risk giving youth a chance are you?
The only, recent, Charlton manager I can remember not playing youth players much is Jackson, quite probably because he didn't have any.1 -
Wonder how Stockley is feeling, don't think he was too impressed by Johnson claiming he headbutted that Sunderland playerMendonca In Asdas said:In the words of Jim Bowen (you can’t beat a bit of bullie) look at what you could have won!3 -
Expectations for Appleton are set pretty low so he doesn't have much to live up to.2
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Match made in heaven. Meme twins.0 -
Meh, much if a muchness tbh. Especially their win percentage!Chunes said:
Wonder how Stockley is feeling, don't think he was too impressed by Johnson claiming he headbutted that Sunderland playerMendonca In Asdas said:In the words of Jim Bowen (you can’t beat a bit of bullie) look at what you could have won!1 -
Whoever it was, they are the new Nostrodamus…..DRAddick said:
Whoever first posted this as a joke, i hope you're happy with yourself.Bedsaddick said:
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Having listened to Appleton & Scott interviews with particular reference to Appleton mentioning the project.
It is quite simple if the project priority is to develop young players along with seniors to create a promotion team asap then fans will stick with you.
If the project priority is solely to develop young players to be sold on and promotion a hopeful by-product then expect a back lash from fans.
The depth of frustration and general feeling appears we have all had enough of the crap thrown our way, so if it is the latter, in the wise words of @blackpool72 You can both fuck the fuck off with your SMT.
Yep I am having a bad day.7 -
Worked pretty well for McKenna and Ipswich though. Probably because they signed some players for it instead of having Inniss and Lavelle in the squad trying to play it out from the backSamB09 said:
playing out from the back didn’t go to well when Garner was in chargeChunes said:
The founding father of tiki taka, or at least the man who honed it into a successful style of play. His approach to football has changed the modern game and are copied at nearly all levels. He's still adapting and changing every season to try and stay ahead.Kindoncasella said:
I don't get what Pep does to be labelled a genius. He has pretty much worked with the worlds top players everywhere at every club he has been at.thenewbie said:
Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.vff said:Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln.https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/
Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect.
Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.
IMO he's changed the English game immeasurably and he's why we've got teams at L2-level and below playing possession-based football.3 -
Because he wasPeanutsMolloy said:
A lot of Lifers thought Dobbo a dud early on.raytreacy69 said:
In all fairness to McGrandles I still don’t think we have seen enough of him to judge.He was good at Lincoln and did well on loan to CambridgeJac_52 said:raytreacy69 said:Very good read
interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles
If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
He might yet suprise us all1 -
Dobbo stepped up a gear (or 6) when Adkins left. NA really didn't seem to rate him.J BLOCK said:
Because he wasPeanutsMolloy said:
A lot of Lifers thought Dobbo a dud early on.raytreacy69 said:
In all fairness to McGrandles I still don’t think we have seen enough of him to judge.He was good at Lincoln and did well on loan to CambridgeJac_52 said:raytreacy69 said:Very good read
interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles
If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
He might yet suprise us all3 -
Speaking to pals this weekend who all support various EFL clubs, and they all seem to think it's a good appointment4
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.J BLOCK said:
Bit harsh JB. Gave a goal away when he and … thingy… collided.
Because he wasPeanutsMolloy said:
A lot of Lifers thought Dobbo a dud early on.raytreacy69 said:
In all fairness to McGrandles I still don’t think we have seen enough of him to judge.He was good at Lincoln and did well on loan to CambridgeJac_52 said:raytreacy69 said:Very good read
interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles
If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
He might yet suprise us allWas ok-ish apart from that, I thought. But he improved and looks to have improved again in the first two or three games this season.0 -
This is the issue with a lot of fans, not just ours. If you sign a new player, get a new manager or use an academy player and they are not immediately outstanding, they’re crap. And it takes ages to get over that initial opinion.JamesSeed said:.J BLOCK said:
Bit harsh. Gave a goal away when he and … thingy… collided.
Because he wasPeanutsMolloy said:
A lot of Lifers thought Dobbo a dud early on.raytreacy69 said:
In all fairness to McGrandles I still don’t think we have seen enough of him to judge.He was good at Lincoln and did well on loan to CambridgeJac_52 said:raytreacy69 said:Very good read
interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles
If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
He might yet suprise us allWas ok-ish apart from that, I thought. But he improved and looks to have improved again in the first two or three games this season.This is the same fan base that demands stability6 -
Haha, the lack of a match day Vlog made me miss my cheesy intro so I thought I'll try and make something humourous,Mendonca In Asdas said:
Nice one, can’t really disagree with a lot that was said, you’re just saying it how you see it.Braziliance said:My thoughts on Appledon taking the hot seat, fair warning, I am not in favour and if you're looking for a positive video this won't be it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WXdlTyDkyk
Noticed the bottle of Jim Beam at the beginning, fear it may have taken a hammering by the time you got to the end of the podcast!
Disclaimer I didn't go through both bottles, just the one
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The more I’ve read about the fella, the more I agree.Croydon said:Speaking to pals this weekend who all support various EFL clubs, and they all seem to think it's a good appointmentI think he has a decent squad to work with, although an outstanding CB would make it much better, imho.2 -
As in some managers who are more experienced may overlook the younger players and opt for experience. It's rare though of course, cause as I said, the perception that a manager is good at bringing through youth is just noise.Cafc43v3r said:
I really don't know what you actually mean about "older types" of managers.Braziliance said:
I didn't say it was, just that there are older types of managers who opt for experienced/journeyed players.Cafc43v3r said:
Old school in there ways? Playing young players isn't some recent phenomenon.Braziliance said:
Of course there will be managers less inclined to start younger players as they may be more old school in their ways, but I doubt there's a club manager (or head coach) across the 92 who would ignore a player at the club just because they're young. I just think it's a bit of a cliché is allChunes said:
There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though.Braziliance said:
I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.Danny Addick said:With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else.
I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through?
They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there.
Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.
Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.
Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
Ironically the best way to encourage a manager to play youngsters is not not sack them every six months.
The other way is to avoid spending money on experienced players in the transfer window, so they balanced it out tbf
Every club and every manager brings through youth.
If Appleton plays Leaburn & Campbell and they have a good season, he can hardly claim that he promotes young players as we all know they are good players already.
If he however developed a different academy players then that would be different. The point is any manager we would have brought in could all make that claim as it falls into the same category as lines such as:
'This club doesn't belong at this level'
' the home atmosphere makes this a hard place to come to'
'They showed me the project and it drew me in'
All these types of phrases are used among every single club, it's just PR spin0 - Sponsored links:
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Chunes said:
There are some managers who are much less willing to give young players a chance, though.Braziliance said:
I also don't understand the 'good with young players' perception.Danny Addick said:With all the fuss about how good he is with young players, the cynic in me says he’s been brought in to develop and sell our youth and little else.
I think every manager can say they're good at bringing youth through?
They are trained in the youth system, they get recommended to the first team, if they do well enough they make it, if they don't they stay there.
Every professional football club produces youth at every level so you could argue almost every coach promotes younger players.
Would be pretty daft to not start a player if he was good at football, regardless of age.
Sound bite stuff, just like 'the project' and 'experience in this league'.
Jose Mourinho seemed to only care about the here and now and either didn't see the potential in Salah and KDB or thought I will probably only be at Chelsea for a short period so I only want players who can produce this season and hopefully next. John Terry was the exception and the only Chelsea academy player to make it and stay in the 1st team for nearly a decade until Loftus-Cheek played a few games.
More Chelsea youngsters come through now than under Jose.1 -
Maynard Brewer, Lucas Ness, Zach Mitchell, Deji Elewere, Richard Chin, Nathan Asimwe, Aaron henry, Tyreece Campbell, Karoy Anderson, Daniel Kanu, Miles Leaburn, Jacob Roddy, Nasir Bakrin, Euan Williams, Henry Rylah, Josh Laqeretabua (there may be a few I have forgotten) are young players that have already been 'worked with' or 'developed' or given a sniff.
So by my calculation Michael Appleton has to add more to those players, something more that natural exposure and game time would give them.
Alternatively, if he is good at developing young players the test is very likely to be if he can introduce the next strata of young players into being successful first team contenders. The specific players that might be successful because of Michael Appleton are a group principally consisting of Jeremy Santos, Jason Adigun, Ryan Huke, Toby Bower, Patrick Casey, and Harvey Kedwell.
There may be an obvious one or two in one of those lists I have forgotten.
My point being that Michael Appleton would have to make a very convincing case to suggest success from the first group I have listed above is down to him.
However if Michael Appleton can create virtually undroppable first teamers from the second group (Nathan Asimwe style) then it could be said that he is good with the young players.
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If Michael Appleton can create virtually undroppable first teamers from the first group of players, other than Leaburn, I would say he is doing something right.seth plum said:Maynard Brewer, Lucas Ness, Zach Mitchell, Deji Elewere, Richard Chin, Nathan Asimwe, Aaron henry, Tyreece Campbell, Karoy Anderson, Daniel Kanu, Miles Leaburn, Jacob Roddy, Nasir Bakrin, Euan Williams, Henry Rylah, Josh Laqeretabua (there may be a few I have forgotten) are young players that have already been 'worked with' or 'developed' or given a sniff.
So by my calculation Michael Appleton has to add more to those players, something more that natural exposure and game time would give them.
Alternatively, if he is good at developing young players the test is very likely to be if he can introduce the next strata of young players into being successful first team contenders. The specific players that might be successful because of Michael Appleton are a group principally consisting of Jeremy Santos, Jason Adigun, Ryan Huke, Toby Bower, Patrick Casey, and Harvey Kedwell.
There may be an obvious one or two in one of those lists I have forgotten.
My point being that Michael Appleton would have to make a very convincing case to suggest success from the first group I have listed above is down to him.
However if Michael Appleton can create virtually undroppable first teamers from the second group (Nathan Asimwe style) then it could be said that he is good with the young players.6 -
I don’t think further success with the first group would be down to Michael Appleton. They’re already getting picked here and there.
If Miles Leaburn becomes an undroppable player, do you think that will be down to Michael Appleton, or would it be down to his team selection from the players he is presented with and he rates Leaburn?
As do most of us.5 -
Well why bother with a manager at all then, doesn't sound like we actually need one.seth plum said:I don’t think further success with the first group would be down to Michael Appleton. They’re already getting picked here and there.
If Miles Leaburn becomes an undroppable player, do you think that will be down to Michael Appleton, or would it be down to his team selection from the players he is presented with and he rates Leaburn?
As do most of us.7 -
You don’t think further success from the first group would be down to Appleton as they are already being picked ‘here and there’. There are about eight from that list who have about eight first team appearances between them. There are further on that least who have had more first team exposure than they were ready for and that isn’t a good thing. Unless you are up the training ground every day, unless you are involved in these players development, unless you are in on conversations between said players and the coaching staff/Appleton you have absolutely no idea how much or how little of their future development is down to him.seth plum said:I don’t think further success with the first group would be down to Michael Appleton. They’re already getting picked here and there.
If Miles Leaburn becomes an undroppable player, do you think that will be down to Michael Appleton, or would it be down to his team selection from the players he is presented with and he rates Leaburn?
As do most of us.
We get it, you are not keen on Appleton, he has to win at Stevenage or if not be sacked, even if we win at Stevenage he then has to win the next seven games or face being sacked after each one he doesn’t win. And even if we did that you’d find some reason to say it wasn’t down to him.
Can’t you just give him say the next ten games and then evaluate how he’s done. I swear he’s under so much pressure already from some quarters that if we are losing at half time at home to Wycombe he’ll get booed off with people calling for his head.
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I want Charlton to win game after game. If Appleton achieves that then brilliant.
I do have similar reservations to @Braziliance above about the appointment being promoted as one where a person develops the young players, and yes that is likely to be an art practiced on the training ground.
My point is about whether the development of the young players is a top priority right now.I make no secret that for me the priority is promotion. Maybe both can happen, a team glittering with young stars that wins promotion.
One challenge I would like to see Michael Appleton succeed with is Jeremy Santos. Here we have a young player with skill, but somehow his role and contribution can be really rather inconsistent, to the point where I wonder about him. Santos is the kind of raw material that if Appleton can make a really credible player out of that would impress me.
The next ten games will be a third of the season gone. So what kind of points total after sixteen games would you consider a success?3 -
Whatever points total we have after sixteen games I might not consider a success because of the point we are starting off now, after a disastrous start. I’m only going to deal with the next ten games when Appleton is in charge. From the next ten I expect 20 points, promotion form.seth plum said:I want Charlton to win game after game. If Appleton achieves that then brilliant.
I do have similar reservations to @Braziliance above about the appointment being promoted as one where a person develops the young players, and yes that is likely to be an art practiced on the training ground.
My point is about whether the development of the young players is a top priority right now.I make no secret that for me the priority is promotion. Maybe both can happen, a team glittering with young stars that wins promotion.
One challenge I would like to see Michael Appleton succeed with is Jeremy Santos. Here we have a young player with skill, but somehow his role and contribution can be really rather inconsistent, to the point where I wonder about him. Santos is the kind of raw material that if Appleton can make a really credible player out of that would impress me.
The next ten games will be a third of the season gone. So what kind of points total after sixteen games would you consider a success?2 -
Which would not lead to a play-off position.Danny Addick said:
Meh, much if a muchness tbh. Especially their win percentage!Chunes said:
Wonder how Stockley is feeling, don't think he was too impressed by Johnson claiming he headbutted that Sunderland playerMendonca In Asdas said:In the words of Jim Bowen (you can’t beat a bit of bullie) look at what you could have won!
I'll be very pleased to be proved wrong but doubt it.2
