Appleton is a fantastic manager, just needs to work on his communication, acting, tactical awareness, man management , media management, touch line presence , substitutions, formations, player instructions, fan relations, tattoos , clapping, set piece drills, defensive instructions , game management and transfers.
That’s harsh, I need to defend him here as he did show some promise - his tattoos are at least mid table League 1 standard.
Ooo I dunno, I like tattoos and I'd have his down as national league standard at best.
It's always beyond me when people who are bankrolled have shoddy tats, why go cheap on something there for life
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
Because statistically he's won more games than he's lost in his managerial career, even after managing us. At least that's my simple answer. It is the truth.
What's crazy is having watched back my old video to compare now to then, I literally photoshopped a thumbnail with a 'to do list' with his only job being to finish mid-table, and he wouldn't have even been able to manage that. Some bloke.
MuttleyCAFC - you are on my wave length. As I said in an earlier post, why did they sack Appleton? ( I am not disagreeing with the decision) but in order to move on and hopefully get it right you need to know what went wrong and why. To say we lost too many games is to simple, it’s again why and what was Appleton not doing right. i am still not over the Directors podcast where Elliott spouted rubbish and Rodwell gave textbook answers.
We need to be realistic, not all clubs are in the Premier League, not all clubs are top of the table. But with the resources we have, ground, fan base, hinterland of local talent we should be better than we are.
I have to admit I do not have the money to buy the club and solve problems. As we know Sandagard has £100M and that is not enough! Our Belgium friend is one of the problems. He had mad ideas -remember Thurman in goal and Laporte standing on the pitch, but him owning all the meaningful assets is a huge problem. i think we have to have an anticipation of being a top League one team with a aspiration of the Championship. That is why your suggestion of internal promotions and go from there.
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
Because statistically he's won more games than he's lost in his managerial career, even after managing us. At least that's my simple answer. It is the truth.
Technically yes, although only by 8 (169 wins to 161 losses) and its not hard to imagine he was on course to change that if he hadn't been sacked here.
If he's not a "loser" statistically you can't honestly say he's much of a winner either by the same metric.
For me the numbers are irrelevant anyway. The fans had absolutely no faith in him and I'm far from convinced the players did either. The evidence suggests that he just wasn't doing very well at his job of training players and planning tactics to win games of football, simple as that.
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
It's even harder to understand why Blackpool employed him twice ???
Ghana has sacked Chris Hughton after an early exit from the Africa Cup of Nations.
No thanks, he's terrible too
Yeah not for me. By all accounts a great guy from speaking to Brighton fans but managerially his time has gone.
Yeah seems a lovely bloke
We don't need a lovely bloke. We need a hard-nosed bastard that can keep us in League One and then build a side for a possible promotion push next year
I'll go for that. I think some fans want it both ways. They want a cultural Marxist woke FC where we are the most right on as you can possibly get bending to every last virtue signalling cack in the cosmos. And then we also want a no nonsense hard nosed Neil Warnock (def not woke!) to blast us back into the championshiposphere. Can't have both. I'll take the latter!
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
Because statistically he's won more games than he's lost in his managerial career, even after managing us. At least that's my simple answer. It is the truth.
Technically yes, although only by 8 (169 wins to 161 losses) and its not hard to imagine he was on course to change that if he hadn't been sacked here.
If he's not a "loser" statistically you can't honestly say he's much of a winner either by the same metric.
For me the numbers are irrelevant anyway. The fans had absolutely no faith in him and I'm far from convinced the players did either. The evidence suggests that he just wasn't doing very well at his job of training players and planning tactics to win games of football, simple as that.
Overall he looks like more of a winner than loser on that metric doesn't he? but I agree not on others. I'm not trying to defend his appointment, but if people are claiming his track record, which isn't bad in L1, should have ruled him out of contention for the job, I disagree.
In any case, for all I know, he was the only one interviewed prepared to take the job, but no more from me on this. Enough already. He's gone and best forgotten.
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
It's even harder to understand why Blackpool employed him twice ???
Serious question, how many of us would welcome Lee Bowyer as Interim boss until the end of the season, with it then being reviewed by all after that?
Now I despised how he acted towards the end, but after seeing what the Sandgaard's did to the club behind closed doors... It is quite understandable why he became Angry Bowyer all over again...
Appleton is a fantastic manager, just needs to work on his communication, acting, tactical awareness, man management , media management, touch line presence , substitutions, formations, player instructions, fan relations, tattoos , clapping, set piece drills, defensive instructions , game management and transfers.
Surely Scott's statement at the outset, dispels any possible reason that Appleton should need to work on any of your areas of weakness,. Indeed Scott was quoted as saying that Appleton, "has worked at the very top level" .
Can anyone that has moved beyond life's Sticklebricks stage, actually be expected to believe such crap? There's one thing, someone having a 'good interview' but there must be evidence to back up one's bluster.
I consider myself to be excellent at interviews BUT, that doesn't mean I can just rock up at NASA and think I'm going to be getting on the next shuttle.
Come on Scott, please come out and admit it, it is YOU that fecked it up, but NOT YOU, that will be paying the price of YOUR mistakes.
I wouldn't trust you to buy me a Milky Way, let alone sign off contracts worth £millions.
Serious question, how many of us would welcome Lee Bowyer as Interim boss until the end of the season, with it then being reviewed by all after that?
Don't want an interim manager at all. We'll have had three managers already this season by next week or so and that doesn't count the two caretakers. Imagine the players hearing that they're getting yet another new face in charge of them and that one probably won't be around for much longer either. How many different plans and ideas do players want to be forced to take on knowing it'll all be chucked away within weeks anyway? Why would you care in Bowyer bawls you out knowing that he's sufficiently untrusted that he's only the interim guy. Why would you buy into his ideas if it's not worth the time it'll take to master them? An interim boss isn't going to win over many players at this point in the season and it won't help with retention for next season or with potential signings either
First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle. If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton. We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.
How on earth could we carry on with him. How many more games would you have been at before you decided he had to go?
I would have carried on until the end of the season because:
1. It gives the message to current and future players that at Charlton you cannot just ’down tools’, undermine the head coach and expect a change.
2. It shows to future head coaches that at Charlton you get a minimum of one full season.
I accept that this policy means that based on current form we would have got relegated but:
1. I think current form is due to players ’downing tools’ and it wouldn't have continued anyway once they realise the head coach is staying. I believe this because Appleton did get results earlier in the season that got us from our current position up to 9th.
2. We’ve had too many short term, knee jerk reactions. We need to get back to thinking of our long term interest. It shows future coaches that we are not a sacking club. It also shows the players that the head coach is boss and not held ransom to soft baby players of such insolence and disrespect.
A man once cheated me out of £15,000. He thought I would drop it. My revenge was sweet. I moved to his girl. Fucked his girl & then spent £15,000 on her. I don’t even know if that sounds childish but I really do sleep well knowing I’ve got that type of victory under my pillow.
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A man once cheated me out of £15,000. He thought I would drop it. My revenge was sweet. I moved to his girl. Fucked his girl & then spent £15,000 on her. I don’t even know if that sounds childish but I really do sleep well knowing I’ve got that type of victory under my pillow.
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A man once cheated me out of £15,000. He thought I would drop it. My revenge was sweet. I moved to his girl. Fucked his girl & then spent £15,000 on her. I don’t even know if that sounds childish but I really do sleep well knowing I’ve got that type of victory under my pillow.
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Thinking about Dubai saying (I think) that AS stood in the way of MA’s sacking on Sunday. Is it possible that with the additional funds available, people higher up wanted AS to move on from MA and get someone higher calibre, but AS wanted to stick a bit longer as it’s his guy?
Thinking about Dubai saying (I think) that AS stood in the way of MA’s sacking on Sunday. Is it possible that with the additional funds available, people higher up wanted AS to move on from MA and get someone higher calibre, but AS wanted to stick a bit longer as it’s his guy?
Possibly. Or Scott thought (quite correctly) that Appleton being binned off in the same season he was appointed would reflect very badly on whichever idiot decided to appoint him in the first place...
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It's always beyond me when people who are bankrolled have shoddy tats, why go cheap on something there for life
He was simply not good enough. That's it.
What's crazy is having watched back my old video to compare now to then, I literally photoshopped a thumbnail with a 'to do list' with his only job being to finish mid-table, and he wouldn't have even been able to manage that. Some bloke.
i am still not over the Directors podcast where Elliott spouted rubbish and Rodwell gave textbook answers.
i think we have to have an anticipation of being a top League one team with a aspiration of the Championship. That is why your suggestion of internal promotions and go from there.
If he's not a "loser" statistically you can't honestly say he's much of a winner either by the same metric.
For me the numbers are irrelevant anyway. The fans had absolutely no faith in him and I'm far from convinced the players did either. The evidence suggests that he just wasn't doing very well at his job of training players and planning tactics to win games of football, simple as that.
In any case, for all I know, he was the only one interviewed prepared to take the job, but no more from me on this. Enough already. He's gone and best forgotten.
So yeah I'd snap him up, but only on a perm.
Can anyone that has moved beyond life's Sticklebricks stage, actually be expected to believe such crap? There's one thing, someone having a 'good interview' but there must be evidence to back up one's bluster.
I consider myself to be excellent at interviews BUT, that doesn't mean I can just rock up at NASA and think I'm going to be getting on the next shuttle.
Come on Scott, please come out and admit it, it is YOU that fecked it up, but NOT YOU, that will be paying the price of YOUR mistakes.
I wouldn't trust you to buy me a Milky Way, let alone sign off contracts worth £millions.
Sounds just the right professional person I'd want as my agent............not.
No I will not say what it was.
That woke-o-meter was twitching again I see