I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
so if we don't win at Stevenage you want him gone? Wow. Just wow. You are fast approaching RonnieMoore levels of WUMMING arn't you?
If we win at Stevenage that will add up to three points from three away games. That then leaves the six points dropped at home to make up. If we lose at Stevenage that leaves us nine points to make up (in my target for automatic promotion). So the best way to shut me up is for Michael Appleton to win at Stevenage. I know I am in a minority in my stance, most people want to give this circus a chance which means a longer term tolerance than I feel like giving. My tolerance level is short term, so the argument might be where is the breaking point for you and others. I have at least marked out my territory, wins and promotion.
I generally respect your views but this is just irrational. It's not about giving the circus a chance, it is about recognising that there is no manager in existence that will get this team, as it is, to win eight games on the bounce, and Michael Appleton has no responsibility for where the club has been. Yes let's judge him by his outcomes, but what you are doing is setting impossible outcomes so that you can justify calling for him to be sacked.
And "the best way to shut me up" is a bit silly. No-one that can take action knows or cares and if you want to become like another poster who draws a lot of fire carry on, but that would be a shame. If we draw or lose at Stevenage, who are currently 3rd with four wins, one draw and one loss from 6 you'll be claiming your position is justified, but that will only be by your own unreasonable parameters, and if we win I suppose you will say the jury is out or some such.
Also the implication that you are taking some brave position on expectations and that other fans are just happy to bumble along with failure is a misunderstanding of how much your expectations affect the outcomes you want. All it effects is other posters on this lovely, but probably not that influential internet forum.
If we lose at Stevenage (a place I saw us win in the cup last season) I am likely to say ‘Holden could’ve delivered that’.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
so if we don't win at Stevenage you want him gone? Wow. Just wow. You are fast approaching RonnieMoore levels of WUMMING arn't you?
If we win at Stevenage that will add up to three points from three away games. That then leaves the six points dropped at home to make up. If we lose at Stevenage that leaves us nine points to make up (in my target for automatic promotion). So the best way to shut me up is for Michael Appleton to win at Stevenage. I know I am in a minority in my stance, most people want to give this circus a chance which means a longer term tolerance than I feel like giving. My tolerance level is short term, so the argument might be where is the breaking point for you and others. I have at least marked out my territory, wins and promotion.
I generally respect your views but this is just irrational. It's not about giving the circus a chance, it is about recognising that there is no manager in existence that will get this team, as it is, to win eight games on the bounce, and Michael Appleton has no responsibility for where the club has been. Yes let's judge him by his outcomes, but what you are doing is setting impossible outcomes so that you can justify calling for him to be sacked.
And "the best way to shut me up" is a bit silly. No-one that can take action knows or cares and if you want to become like another poster who draws a lot of fire carry on, but that would be a shame. If we draw or lose at Stevenage, who are currently 3rd with four wins, one draw and one loss from 6 you'll be claiming your position is justified, but that will only be by your own unreasonable parameters, and if we win I suppose you will say the jury is out or some such.
Also the implication that you are taking some brave position on expectations and that other fans are just happy to bumble along with failure is a misunderstanding of how much your expectations affect the outcomes you want. All it effects is other posters on this lovely, but probably not that influential internet forum.
If we lose at Stevenage (a place I saw us win in the cup last season) I am likely to say ‘Holden could’ve delivered that’.
I would bet a whole shilling that like most of us you will have more than that to say 😉
I think Appleton will be a good appointment. Our success will depend purely on how we are defensively. For some reason Ness/Hector are both struggling more than last season.
IMO the team needs to be set up around May/Leaburn partnership. Both are capable of getting to 20+ goals even in a bad side.
Obviously Appleton will need a lot of luck especially on the injury front, but if he can get us to double figure clean sheets then we will fighting for the top 6.
Very clever of Charlie Methvan to use Seth Plum to spread irrational rants about, and set unrealistic targets for, Appleton so normal people start to feel sorry for the new boss.
That leads to them seeing him a little bit more sympathetically and giving him more time.
Charlie may not be a great owner but his PR skills are clear.
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
You’re taking Henry’s ‘Just win matches’ to its illogical conclusion.
I'll keep open mind. He's the Charlton Head Coach and until there's reason to do otherwise he should have our support. The image we have has been the character mocked in our threads so did some googling to see how well it is justified. There's an interesting 2021 interview in The Athletic on his career and the negative baggage he's had to carry https://theathletic.com/2421847/2021/03/03/michael-appleton-i-fell-foul-of-not-doing-proper-due-diligence-on-people-i-worked-with/ Googled the local papers for Oxford and Lincoln when he left and they were positive:
Quote Oxford Fans
“We had an identity and a way of playing football. I’m completely disappointed, really gutted to be honest, that it’s happened the way it has.
“He was an absolute gentlemen, a lovely bloke to talk to and a lot of people respected him.”
Lincoln Local paper "Supported by the club’s recruitment team, Appleton made some outstanding signings, producing the best City side in 40 years, which didn’t just win regularly, but did so in style."
"On a personal level, Appleton has been a pleasure to deal with, always open and honest with the media. He’s clearly a talented manager and coach, and after a well-earned break to recharge his batteries, it would be no surprise to see him back in the game very soon, possibly on the coaching staff at a higher-level club."
No guarantees with us but seems the pre-conceived perceptions from may not be entirely justified. However, seems "basket case" clubs where he's bombed attract him.
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.
Rather than the second indicator? It’s almost like you’d like us to lose so you can be proved ‘right’.
Would love for Scott Fraser to answer this question. Was Appleton the best manager available, or the only manager that would take the job, at the salary on offer?
We know (as does the footballing world) there is no money to be made in tier 3 & 4 football, so the owners must be in it for the fun. see Wrexham. Whatever the new guys invested is lost. Any more investment will also be lost. Get used to it.
Don’t think Scott Fraser was involved in the recruitment process…
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.
Okay here's a hypothetical for you. We play Stevenage (who are in good form right now) and (somehow) Appleton has managed to get the team properly organised. The defence are solid, we have more possessions and shots etc. By every measure we are the better side.
Except the Stevenage keeper has a blinder and manages to keep a clean sheet and then at the end of the game a fluke ricochet hits one of our defenders and goes in. We lose by 1 goal.
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.
Okay here's a hypothetical for you. We play Stevenage and (somehow) Appleton has managed to get the team properly organised. The defence are solid, we have more possessions and shots etc. By every measure we are the better side.
Except the Stevenage keeper has a blinder and manages to keep a clean sheet and then at the end of the game a fluke ricochet hits one of our defenders and goes in. We lose by 1 goal.
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.
Rather than the second indicator? It’s almost like you’d like us to lose so you can be proved ‘right’.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
so if we don't win at Stevenage you want him gone? Wow. Just wow. You are fast approaching RonnieMoore levels of WUMMING arn't you?
If we win at Stevenage that will add up to three points from three away games. That then leaves the six points dropped at home to make up. If we lose at Stevenage that leaves us nine points to make up (in my target for automatic promotion). So the best way to shut me up is for Michael Appleton to win at Stevenage. I know I am in a minority in my stance, most people want to give this circus a chance which means a longer term tolerance than I feel like giving. My tolerance level is short term, so the argument might be where is the breaking point for you and others. I have at least marked out my territory, wins and promotion.
I generally respect your views but this is just irrational. It's not about giving the circus a chance, it is about recognising that there is no manager in existence that will get this team, as it is, to win eight games on the bounce, and Michael Appleton has no responsibility for where the club has been. Yes let's judge him by his outcomes, but what you are doing is setting impossible outcomes so that you can justify calling for him to be sacked.
And "the best way to shut me up" is a bit silly. No-one that can take action knows or cares and if you want to become like another poster who draws a lot of fire carry on, but that would be a shame. If we draw or lose at Stevenage, who are currently 3rd with four wins, one draw and one loss from 6 you'll be claiming your position is justified, but that will only be by your own unreasonable parameters, and if we win I suppose you will say the jury is out or some such.
Also the implication that you are taking some brave position on expectations and that other fans are just happy to bumble along with failure is a misunderstanding of how much your expectations affect the outcomes you want. All it effects is other posters on this lovely, but probably not that influential internet forum.
If we lose at Stevenage (a place I saw us win in the cup last season) I am likely to say ‘Holden could’ve delivered that’.
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.
Rather than the second indicator? It’s almost like you’d like us to lose so you can be proved ‘right’.
Not at all. I want us to win.
It’s a bit like backing the other side to soften the blow of defeat though.
In the cold light of day I'm feeling less bad about this appointment tbh, he has a record of getting teams punching slightly above their weight, and if our weight is borderline-playoffs then that's a good sign, right?
What makes you think our weight is borderline play offs?
We failed to do that last year We have won two of eight this year
Anybody saying "he'll do alright"
Is simply accepting we are a mid table, division three club. History says we're not.
I don't want to accept mid table division three. I aspire to better than that.
Well nobody is saying anything remotely like “he’ll do alright” and of course we all want success and out of this league. You aren’t unique or some sort of super fan for wanting that!
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.
Okay here's a hypothetical for you. We play Stevenage (who are in good form right now) and (somehow) Appleton has managed to get the team properly organised. The defence are solid, we have more possessions and shots etc. By every measure we are the better side.
Except the Stevenage keeper has a blinder and manages to keep a clean sheet and then at the end of the game a fluke ricochet hits one of our defenders and goes in. We lose by 1 goal.
Is that a good result or a bad one?
That would be a bad result. Would you say being played off the park but getting a smash and grab 1-0 win is a good result?
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Actually you are in the ‘judge them on one result’ category and your posts are exactly a comment upon the quality of the new boss.
You may very well be right, however it’s very unfair to judge a manager, any manager of any team, upon the basis of one, and their first, result. Which is unequivocally what you have advocated. This is especially unfair given the current state of the squad & the club.
I’m not Appletons biggest fan, however I can’t help feeling that had other candidates been successful we would be hearing how we needed to give them time to turn the squad about, as opposed a week!
I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me. Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss. I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.
Okay here's a hypothetical for you. We play Stevenage (who are in good form right now) and (somehow) Appleton has managed to get the team properly organised. The defence are solid, we have more possessions and shots etc. By every measure we are the better side.
Except the Stevenage keeper has a blinder and manages to keep a clean sheet and then at the end of the game a fluke ricochet hits one of our defenders and goes in. We lose by 1 goal.
Is that a good result or a bad one?
That would be a bad result. Would you say being played off the park but getting a smash and grab 1-0 win is a good result?
He's asking if it's a sacking using your yardstick, as well you know?
I'm sure like me you remember when Swindon won at the Valley to end our records breaking run all those years ago when they had one chance after being battered for 90 (you'll remember Willie Carson's smug face) Didn't it hit the post and go in off Kiely's arse?
You must surely take account of the circumstances when passing judgement?
You are right about me being in a judge them on one result category, but wrong if you suggest I wouldn't be the same with any other manager.
I accept it might be unfair in the eyes of most. However if in the end we achieve automatic promotion my initial judgement would rightly be viewed as harsh.
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Must be a fair chance he will be up in the stands for most of the season
Evans is a decent manager whose team outplayed us last season in the cup, should have beaten us if it was not for some individual class from Aneke.
A tough start for Appleton but hopefully his team rise to the occasion.
That leads to them seeing him a little bit more sympathetically and giving him more time.
Charlie may not be a great owner but his PR skills are clear.
Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss.
I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Googled the local papers for Oxford and Lincoln when he left and they were positive:
Quote Oxford Fans
“We had an identity and a way of playing football. I’m completely disappointed, really gutted to be honest, that it’s happened the way it has.
“He was an absolute gentlemen, a lovely bloke to talk to and a lot of people respected him.”
Lincoln Local paper"Supported by the club’s recruitment team, Appleton made some outstanding signings, producing the best City side in 40 years, which didn’t just win regularly, but did so in style."
"On a personal level, Appleton has been a pleasure to deal with, always open and honest with the media. He’s clearly a talented manager and coach, and after a well-earned break to recharge his batteries, it would be no surprise to see him back in the game very soon, possibly on the coaching staff at a higher-level club."
No guarantees with us but seems the pre-conceived perceptions from may not be entirely justified. However, seems "basket case" clubs where he's bombed attract him.
Appleton Out
Except the Stevenage keeper has a blinder and manages to keep a clean sheet and then at the end of the game a fluke ricochet hits one of our defenders and goes in. We lose by 1 goal.
Is that a good result or a bad one?
Bad
Would you say being played off the park but getting a smash and grab 1-0 win is a good result?
You may very well be right, however it’s very unfair to judge a manager, any manager of any team, upon the basis of one, and their first, result. Which is unequivocally what you have advocated. This is especially unfair given the current state of the squad & the club.
I’m not Appletons biggest fan, however I can’t help feeling that had other candidates been successful we would be hearing how we needed to give them time to turn the squad about, as opposed a week!
I'm sure like me you remember when Swindon won at the Valley to end our records breaking run all those years ago when they had one chance after being battered for 90 (you'll remember Willie Carson's smug face) Didn't it hit the post and go in off Kiely's arse?
You must surely take account of the circumstances when passing judgement?
I accept it might be unfair in the eyes of most.
However if in the end we achieve automatic promotion my initial judgement would rightly be viewed as harsh.