I know it wasn't pretty, but to be fair to him his tactics kind of worked in the first half. To limit Posh to only a one goal lead at half time was fairly admirable. I was fearing a bit of a cricket score if I'm honest yesterday. You'd have to be pretty naive if you thought we were going to blow them away at any point, especially early on.
I know it wasn't pretty, but to be fair to him his tactics kind of worked in the first half. To limit Posh to only a one goal lead at half time was fairly admirable. I was fearing a bit of a cricket score if I'm honest yesterday. You'd have to be pretty naive if you thought we were going to blow them away at any point, especially early on.
We had no shots on target and it was right up there with the worst performances of the season. That is deemed as his tactics kind of working?...
I know it wasn't pretty, but to be fair to him his tactics kind of worked in the first half. To limit Posh to only a one goal lead at half time was fairly admirable. I was fearing a bit of a cricket score if I'm honest yesterday. You'd have to be pretty naive if you thought we were going to blow them away at any point, especially early on.
We had no shots on target and it was right up there with the worst performances of the season. That is deemed as his tactics kind of working?...
I was told by a mate who sits behind Appleton, that May ran over to him twice in the first half, shouting the formation wasn't working and to change it.
Apparently Appleton said no and May told him to fuck off. He did the same the second time and Appleton told him to button it.
This tells me that he has lost the players. Watching from the upper covered end, I could see May moaning continually in the first half at Tupac for not initiating the press. Wouldn't surprise me if Alfie led a revolt in the dressing room at ht, hence the much needed changes.
Fellow fans can dress it up all they like but imo, other than Freye he is the worst manager we've ever had. Absolutely sick at how poorly managed we've been since Bowyer left.
Pretty sure us older fans could regularly pick a better team from the players available in the last 4 years. I'll leave the coaches to do the tactics.
What I would say is as a club every promotion has been achieved in my lifetime with two up top. Ffs it's not rocket silence, even if Cowboy Callum thinks it is.
Leaving aside the personal dig (weird), I’d love to hear someone else corroborate your mate’s story.
There are plenty of other fans on this forum who sit near the dugout and the fact it’s not come up until 24 hours after the game is odd.
Doesn’t sound like something Alfie would do.
i hope he did do it - the whole stadium can see it - must be so de-motivating for the players - certainly is for the fans
May refused to come over to the dugout for a second half tactical huddle at Orient.
Appleton is a dud, we will never get promoted with him as head coach unless we literally fund a squad of the best players in the league which will clearly never happen under this lot.
There is a reason why no quality managers or talented rising managers would consider the job after we binned Holden, imagine being told a third of your squad will always be bang average and another third will be from our academy rather then based on ability or merit.
I was told by a mate who sits behind Appleton, that May ran over to him twice in the first half, shouting the formation wasn't working and to change it.
Apparently Appleton said no and May told him to fuck off. He did the same the second time and Appleton told him to button it.
This tells me that he has lost the players. Watching from the upper covered end, I could see May moaning continually in the first half at Tupac for not initiating the press. Wouldn't surprise me if Alfie led a revolt in the dressing room at ht, hence the much needed changes.
Fellow fans can dress it up all they like but imo, other than Freye he is the worst manager we've ever had. Absolutely sick at how poorly managed we've been since Bowyer left.
Pretty sure us older fans could regularly pick a better team from the players available in the last 4 years. I'll leave the coaches to do the tactics.
What I would say is as a club every promotion has been achieved in my lifetime with two up top. Ffs it's not rocket silence, even if Cowboy Callum thinks it is.
Leaving aside the personal dig (weird), I’d love to hear someone else corroborate your mate’s story.
There are plenty of other fans on this forum who sit near the dugout and the fact it’s not come up until 24 hours after the game is odd.
Doesn’t sound like something Alfie would do.
Alfie was very frustrated yesterday so it wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Leaving aside the personal dig (weird), I’d love to hear someone else corroborate your mate’s story.
There are plenty of other fans on this forum who sit near the dugout and the fact it’s not come up until 24 hours after the game is odd.
Doesn’t sound like something Alfie would do.
I certainly saw Alfie go over to Appleton yesterday (from my seat in the Upper Covered End) twice and it was certainly one of frustration on Alfie's part. Did you not see it?
Certainly saw Alfie go over to Appleton yesterday (from my seat in the Upper Covered End) twice and it was certainly one of frustration on Alfie's part. Did you not see it @callumcafc
Leaving aside the personal dig (weird), I’d love to hear someone else corroborate your mate’s story.
There are plenty of other fans on this forum who sit near the dugout and the fact it’s not come up until 24 hours after the game is odd.
Doesn’t sound like something Alfie would do.
I certainly saw Alfie go over to Appleton yesterday (from my seat in the Upper Covered End) twice and it was certainly one of frustration on Alfie's part. Did you not see it?
Certainly saw Alfie go over to Appleton yesterday (from my seat in the Upper Covered End) twice and it was certainly one of frustration on Alfie's part. Did you not see it @callumcafc
Appleton has done nothing/very little to improve this team. We are making the same errors as we did under Holden at the start of the season.
I can accept Appleton not being animated on the touch line, because every player I've ever heard comment, say they can't hear/disregard what the coach is saying on the touch line.
However, his lack of personality is a concern to me, because as said previously, if he doesn't enthuse the fans, can he enthuse the players?
I think the only thing saving him is the fact that he's only been here a short while, plus what players will want to sign for a club with no coach/manager?
I assume that the management will be willing to give Appleton until the end of the season to see if results improve with an improved squad, but I don't believe he will still be in charge if he gets us relegated or nearly relegated.
If I was making the decision, I'd reluctantly have to give him a bit longer, but he's skating on thin ice.
The trouble is of course that most of our preferred choices turned us down before Appleton.
I know it wasn't pretty, but to be fair to him his tactics kind of worked in the first half. To limit Posh to only a one goal lead at half time was fairly admirable. I was fearing a bit of a cricket score if I'm honest yesterday. You'd have to be pretty naive if you thought we were going to blow them away at any point, especially early on.
We had no shots on target and it was right up there with the worst performances of the season. That is deemed as his tactics kind of working?...
Cant stand the man. Got the job through default as he was FIFTH choice. Plays people out of position, tactically inept, no motivation, and has no connection with the fans,
I also find the whole Holden should’ve been given a chance stuff odd. Can you just imagine how equally bad it would’ve been had he stayed, plus not getting the new bounce results Appleton got. Holden and Garner should never have got near this job
OK I understand that he is an unlikeable guy, do you know that all of us have between 3-7% neanderthal DNA in us, and I think Appleton is towards the upper end of that scale, but being unlikeable or likeable doesn't define you as a coach. Fans complain about him being indifferent on the the sideline during games, I've watched loads of games on the TV and I can tell you that being animated or silent on the touchline does not define a good coach. The problem all along has been our squad and poor recruitment over several seasons, under various poor owners, lacking ambition, or just trying to balance the books. Of our recent signings, so many have worked under Appleton at previous clubs, and apart from them saying that Charlton is a big club, they always quote the they enjoyed working under Appleton. Why would they sign, apart from the obvious reason, money, if they thought the guy was a poor coach and wasn't going to develop them to the next level in their career, because most of them are in the earlier years of their football development . I also understand the criticism of his tactics, Alfie playing as a lone striker, trying a 3-5-2-1 against Posh, in a way I thought that was a bold decision, but it didn't work, only because the two Campbell's couldn't cope with the new system, I assume they were mean't to be closer to Alfie, but it didn't happen, because the players weren't up to it. When Appleton was appointed it was a bit Meh, from me , but looking at the others on the shortlist it was also a Meh. So, do we sack another manager, or do we stick with Appleton? My gut feeling he is about as good as we can get at the moment, and I am encouraged by the responses of players that he has worked with, usually as lone players, in the past. I do feel that he deserves this transfer window, to correct the sins of the past, and to work and mould the team into what he sees as his perferred formation, tactics, etc. Will it work, who knows, but I have been encouraged by the transfer window so far, so I want to give Appleton the time to prove the , probably the majority of fans, wrong. I wasn't going to go to Burton, but now I'm interested to see how Coventry, Bakinson and Fiorini deveop!!
OK I understand that he is an unlikeable guy, do you know that all of us have between 3-7% neanderthal DNA in us, and I think Appleton is towards the upper end of that scale, but being unlikeable or likeable doesn't define you as a coach. Fans complain about him being indifferent on the the sideline during games, I've watched loads of games on the TV and I can tell you that being animated or silent on the touchline does not define a good coach. The problem all along has been our squad and poor recruitment over several seasons, under various poor owners, lacking ambition, or just trying to balance the books. Of our recent signings, so many have worked under Appleton at previous clubs, and apart from them saying that Charlton is a big club, they always quote the they enjoyed working under Appleton. Why would they sign, apart from the obvious reason, money, if they thought the guy was a poor coach and wasn't going to develop them to the next level in their career, because most of them are in the earlier years of their football development . I also understand the criticism of his tactics, Alfie playing as a lone striker, trying a 3-5-2-1 against Posh, in a way I thought that was a bold decision, but it didn't work, only because the two Campbell's couldn't cope with the new system, I assume they were mean't to be closer to Alfie, but it didn't happen, because the players weren't up to it. When Appleton was appointed it was a bit Meh, from me , but looking at the others on the shortlist it was also a Meh. So, do we sack another manager, or do we stick with Appleton? My gut feeling he is about as good as we can get at the moment, and I am encouraged by the responses of players that he has worked with, usually as lone players, in the past. I do feel that he deserves this transfer window, to correct the sins of the past, and to work and mould the team into what he sees as his perferred formation, tactics, etc. Will it work, who knows, but I have been encouraged by the transfer window so far, so I want to give Appleton the time to prove the , probably the majority of fans, wrong. I wasn't going to go to Burton, but now I'm interested to see how Coventry, Bakinson and Fiorini deveop!!
in what universe would starting may up top with kanu not have been the obvious thing to do ?
I'm not Appleton, but I guess he was hoping that one of them would provide the width, while the other would be closer to May, I agree with your point however.
I'm not Appleton, but I guess he was hoping that one of them would provide the width, while the other would be closer to May, I agree with your point however.
thankyou and this is the problem - apples can't see what we all can - he's been compounding the problem ever since chucks and leaburn got injured - he's absolutely clueless in my opinion - even with cbt faking an injury and handing the opportunity to apples on a plate, he still didn't play a strike partner up top with may - its bordering on lunacy.
I'm not Appleton, but I guess he was hoping that one of them would provide the width, while the other would be closer to May, I agree with your point however.
thankyou and this is the problem - apples can't see what we all can - he's been compounding the problem ever since chucks and leaburn got injured - he's absolutely clueless in my opinion - even with cbt faking an injury and handing the opportunity to apples on a plate, he still didn't play a strike partner up top with may - its bordering on lunacy.
But ex players say he's the best coach they've ever met, in a coach.
May refused to come over to the dugout for a second half tactical huddle at Orient.
Appleton is a dud, we will never get promoted with him as head coach unless we literally fund a squad of the best players in the league which will clearly never happen under this lot.
There is a reason why no quality managers or talented rising managers would consider the job after we binned Holden, imagine being told a third of your squad will always be bang average and another third will be from our academy rather then based on ability or merit.
Yeah think that theory is a nice idea in theory, but needs to go in the bin pretty quickly.
I think that he viewed Posh's midfield so much stronger than ours that he wanted to pack this area, to prevent us being overwhelmed. To an extent it worked, with limited chanches by either team, well ours zero, but also theirs very little in the first half, bar a pretty good goal from the best player on the field. I'm not trying to excuse Appleton's tactics, I'm just trying to rationalise what his thinking was. If we had gone more gung ho in the first half would it have worked? Possibly, but we could also have conceded more. It is fine margins.
And Doucher, I don't think he's clueless, he's trying to solve issues with a weak squad. It didn't work, but he did try something different. So you could argue that he is actually trying to solve problems, but again, I agree with you it didn't work.
I was told by a mate who sits behind Appleton, that May ran over to him twice in the first half, shouting the formation wasn't working and to change it.
Apparently Appleton said no and May told him to fuck off. He did the same the second time and Appleton told him to button it.
This tells me that he has lost the players. Watching from the upper covered end, I could see May moaning continually in the first half at Tupac for not initiating the press. Wouldn't surprise me if Alfie led a revolt in the dressing room at ht, hence the much needed changes.
Fellow fans can dress it up all they like but imo, other than Freye he is the worst manager we've ever had. Absolutely sick at how poorly managed we've been since Bowyer left.
Pretty sure us older fans could regularly pick a better team from the players available in the last 4 years. I'll leave the coaches to do the tactics.
What I would say is as a club every promotion has been achieved in my lifetime with two up top. Ffs it's not rocket silence, even if Cowboy Callum thinks it is.
Leaving aside the personal dig (weird), I’d love to hear someone else corroborate your mate’s story.
There are plenty of other fans on this forum who sit near the dugout and the fact it’s not come up until 24 hours after the game is odd.
Doesn’t sound like something Alfie would do.
I’m not surprised he moaned, probably frustrated that week after week Appleton doesn’t play to his strengths. How many times has he played up front on his own or on the right wing and it not work, but Appleton still goes back to it time and time again expecting a different result
Judging by what I have seen of him coming through, i.e. playing down the left in the majority of his development career, I would’ve thought Tyreece Campbell should have taken the CBT position in his absence. I don’t know how appraised Michael ‘he works well with young players’ Appleton is about our younger guys, but I suspect he knows and understands very little about them. I wonder if he will attend U23 and U18 matches in person. I am not aware that he bothers, but maybe I have been unable to pick him out.
Sounds like we are switching our focus towards 3-5-2. If this happens, I’m a lot happier to give Appleton and Scott more time. It’s frustrating as we’ve wasted 6 months on the wrong system but if results pick up a little bit with the new system, then I’m prepared to give Appleton the summer. He desperately needs some wins soon though
Sounds like we are switching our focus towards 3-5-2. If this happens, I’m a lot happier to give Appleton and Scott more time. It’s frustrating as we’ve wasted 6 months on the wrong system but if results pick up a little bit with the new system, then I’m prepared to give Appleton the summer. He desperately needs some wins soon though
Interesting after Holden was sacked for basically doing the same thing.
Sounds like we are switching our focus towards 3-5-2. If this happens, I’m a lot happier to give Appleton and Scott more time. It’s frustrating as we’ve wasted 6 months on the wrong system but if results pick up a little bit with the new system, then I’m prepared to give Appleton the summer. He desperately needs some wins soon though
Interesting after Holden was sacked for basically doing the same thing.
Think they’ve finally(!) realised that once Holden had signed May, that has pretty much locked us into playing a front 2.
There were rumours that Scott didn’t want May and I think it’s possible we wouldn’t have signed him had the takeover gone through earlier or Leaburn hadn’t got injured
And Doucher, I don't think he's clueless, he's trying to solve issues with a weak squad. It didn't work, but he did try something different. So you could argue that he is actually trying to solve problems, but again, I agree with you it didn't work.
ok, going round in circles here but surely if you are going to try solutions, try the one that 99% of the fanbase can see will work - its not the first time Kanu has come on to join may at half time and changed the game but i can guarantee i've never seen us play well with may up top on his own
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You'd have to be pretty naive if you thought we were going to blow them away at any point, especially early on.
Appleton is a dud, we will never get promoted with him as head coach unless we literally fund a squad of the best players in the league which will clearly never happen under this lot.
There is a reason why no quality managers or talented rising managers would consider the job after we binned Holden, imagine being told a third of your squad will always be bang average and another third will be from our academy rather then based on ability or merit.
We are making the same errors as we did under Holden at the start of the season.
I can accept Appleton not being animated on the touch line, because every player I've ever heard comment, say they can't hear/disregard what the coach is saying on the touch line.
However, his lack of personality is a concern to me, because as said previously, if he doesn't enthuse the fans, can he enthuse the players?
I think the only thing saving him is the fact that he's only been here a short while, plus what players will want to sign for a club with no coach/manager?
I assume that the management will be willing to give Appleton until the end of the season to see if results improve with an improved squad, but I don't believe he will still be in charge if he gets us relegated or nearly relegated.
If I was making the decision, I'd reluctantly have to give him a bit longer, but he's skating on thin ice.
The trouble is of course that most of our preferred choices turned us down before Appleton.
The problem all along has been our squad and poor recruitment over several seasons, under various poor owners, lacking ambition, or just trying to balance the books.
Of our recent signings, so many have worked under Appleton at previous clubs, and apart from them saying that Charlton is a big club, they always quote the they enjoyed working under Appleton. Why would they sign, apart from the obvious reason, money, if they thought the guy was a poor coach and wasn't going to develop them to the next level in their career, because most of them are in the earlier years of their football development .
I also understand the criticism of his tactics, Alfie playing as a lone striker, trying a 3-5-2-1 against Posh, in a way I thought that was a bold decision, but it didn't work, only because the two Campbell's couldn't cope with the new system, I assume they were mean't to be closer to Alfie, but it didn't happen, because the players weren't up to it.
When Appleton was appointed it was a bit Meh, from me , but looking at the others on the shortlist it was also a Meh.
So, do we sack another manager, or do we stick with Appleton? My gut feeling he is about as good as we can get at the moment, and I am encouraged by the responses of players that he has worked with, usually as lone players, in the past.
I do feel that he deserves this transfer window, to correct the sins of the past, and to work and mould the team into what he sees as his perferred formation, tactics, etc.
Will it work, who knows, but I have been encouraged by the transfer window so far, so I want to give Appleton the time to prove the , probably the majority of fans, wrong.
I wasn't going to go to Burton, but now I'm interested to see how Coventry, Bakinson and Fiorini deveop!!
I don’t know how appraised Michael ‘he works well with young players’ Appleton is about our younger guys, but I suspect he knows and understands very little about them.
I wonder if he will attend U23 and U18 matches in person. I am not aware that he bothers, but maybe I have been unable to pick him out.