I think, like 99% of us do, that chucks makes a huge difference to our team - its true, he does and part of that is because he is a level or 2 above but the other part of it is that we have no one else that can perform the vital role that he does - when Leaburn is fit, he has a go at it but for a big fella is poor in the air, and nowhere near as strong. Kanu is having a good go atm and is doing his bit to fill the void but its not really his game and the same can be said of Ladapo, although he doesn't really appear to be busting a gut. Chucks impact will not seem so great once we sign similar in the summer - at least 1. Dare i say it, but even if we still had Stockley, we would have been nowhere near the trouble we've been in.
The lad is a great player, BUT HE DOES NOT WARM UP PROPERLY!!. END OF!! watch the players when they warm up. You can spot the half hearted and lazy a mile off.
Yeah I think you've cracked it mate. If only we knew, we could've had a right good player on our hands.
Have you ever thought of being a doctor?
He is a great technical play, but lazy. Sorry you can't disagree with me without the snide comment, but their you go.
Lazy is probably not a word I'd use for him.
You can call his warm ups lazy, I would assume the club would have taken it up with him were they concerned that was the issue Doc
Absolutely no room for sentiment re Chuks ..as popular as he might be we should work something out to terminate his contact and move on .
Not much point unless a termination heavily favours the club, and if he’s on a decent wedge which he likely is then terminating his deal won’t come cheap and would likely have to come out of the summer budget. Therefore unless he was to accept a token amount nothing will change.
Knowing what his injury record is like whoever decided to resign him and give him a 4 year contract should be shot.
Resigning him is up there as one of the worst bits of transfer business by us, ever.
I don't think it is really. Re-signing him on a contract of that length was daft but Chuks is actually the only thing that has offset the Appleton effect that otherwise would have seen us completely cut adrift this season. We've got 19 points this season from the 10 games Chuks has played in and haven't lost this season when he's been available. We've got 22 points from 27 games without him. Some of those 22 points need to be attributed to the Nathan Jones effect and 6 of them were won by Dean Holden and Jason Pearce. Appleton won 2 games out of 18 without Chuks and 3 out of 6 with him. The 12 points from 6 games that Appleton stumbled into with Chuks in the side are more than a quarter of the points we have this season.
We've made some absolutely atrocious signings in the past decade but Chuks has genuinely been a key part in the difference between us hopefully scrapping our way away from danger this season and being sunk into L2 for the first time in our history. He's not been brilliant value for money but a player who stops us from slipping into that level of ignominy and helps rescue us from a historically bad managerial hire can never be considered one of our worst bits of transfer business. We signed Djimi Traore man.
Knowing what his injury record is like whoever decided to resign him and give him a 4 year contract should be shot.
Resigning him is up there as one of the worst bits of transfer business by us, ever.
I don't think it is really. Re-signing him on a contract of that length was daft but Chuks is actually the only thing that has offset the Appleton effect that otherwise would have seen us completely cut adrift this season. We've got 19 points this season from the 10 games Chuks has played in and haven't lost this season when he's been available. We've got 22 points from 27 games without him. Some of those 22 points need to be attributed to the Nathan Jones effect and 6 of them were won by Dean Holden and Jason Pearce. Appleton won 2 games out of 18 without Chuks and 3 out of 6 with him. The 12 points from 6 games that Appleton stumbled into with Chuks in the side are more than a quarter of the points we have this season.
We've made some absolutely atrocious signings in the past decade but Chuks has genuinely been a key part in the difference between us hopefully scrapping our way away from danger this season and being sunk into L2 for the first time in our history. He's not been brilliant value for money but a player who stops us from slipping into that level of ignominy and helps rescue us from a historically bad managerial hire can never be considered one of our worst bits of transfer business. We signed Djimi Traore man.
Paying 300k to get him back then give him a near four year deal knowing his injury issues really was ridiculous business.
Sure was. A billion miles away from being one of our worst bits of transfer business ever though. We signed Traore and Faye in the same day for £4m and then sold Traore six months later at a £1m loss. £2.5m on Bougherra. £3.7m on Diawara. £2m on Luke Varney. £1.1m on McLeod and £1.5m on Andy Gray. We spent actual money on Reza and replaced Yann with Polish Pete. Real legal currency changed hands so we could have Christophe Lepoint (2.5 year deal, gone in 6 months), Zakarya Bergdich (4 year deal, paid to leave after 1), Nicky Ajose, Charlie Kirk and Ronnie Schwartz. We signed Cory Gibbs and he didn't play a single minute in two years. Chuks can't be called good business but at least he's actually good when he plays and we like him! There's about 6 teams worth of absolutely unforgivable signings to get through before we're even allowed to think Chuks' name in this conversation
Woah, I’m not having Bougherra and Diawara in there.
Knowing what his injury record is like whoever decided to resign him and give him a 4 year contract should be shot.
Resigning him is up there as one of the worst bits of transfer business by us, ever.
I don't think it is really. Re-signing him on a contract of that length was daft but Chuks is actually the only thing that has offset the Appleton effect that otherwise would have seen us completely cut adrift this season. We've got 19 points this season from the 10 games Chuks has played in and haven't lost this season when he's been available. We've got 22 points from 27 games without him. Some of those 22 points need to be attributed to the Nathan Jones effect and 6 of them were won by Dean Holden and Jason Pearce. Appleton won 2 games out of 18 without Chuks and 3 out of 6 with him. The 12 points from 6 games that Appleton stumbled into with Chuks in the side are more than a quarter of the points we have this season.
We've made some absolutely atrocious signings in the past decade but Chuks has genuinely been a key part in the difference between us hopefully scrapping our way away from danger this season and being sunk into L2 for the first time in our history. He's not been brilliant value for money but a player who stops us from slipping into that level of ignominy and helps rescue us from a historically bad managerial hire can never be considered one of our worst bits of transfer business. We signed Djimi Traore man.
Knowing what his injury record is like whoever decided to resign him and give him a 4 year contract should be shot.
Resigning him is up there as one of the worst bits of transfer business by us, ever.
I don't think it is really. Re-signing him on a contract of that length was daft but Chuks is actually the only thing that has offset the Appleton effect that otherwise would have seen us completely cut adrift this season. We've got 19 points this season from the 10 games Chuks has played in and haven't lost this season when he's been available. We've got 22 points from 27 games without him. Some of those 22 points need to be attributed to the Nathan Jones effect and 6 of them were won by Dean Holden and Jason Pearce. Appleton won 2 games out of 18 without Chuks and 3 out of 6 with him. The 12 points from 6 games that Appleton stumbled into with Chuks in the side are more than a quarter of the points we have this season.
We've made some absolutely atrocious signings in the past decade but Chuks has genuinely been a key part in the difference between us hopefully scrapping our way away from danger this season and being sunk into L2 for the first time in our history. He's not been brilliant value for money but a player who stops us from slipping into that level of ignominy and helps rescue us from a historically bad managerial hire can never be considered one of our worst bits of transfer business. We signed Djimi Traore man.
Paying 300k to get him back then give him a near four year deal knowing his injury issues really was ridiculous business.
Sure was. A billion miles away from being one of our worst bits of transfer business ever though. We signed Traore and Faye in the same day for £4m and then sold Traore six months later at a £1m loss. £2.5m on Bougherra. £3.7m on Diawara. £2m on Luke Varney. £1.1m on McLeod and £1.5m on Andy Gray. We spent actual money on Reza and replaced Yann with Polish Pete. Real legal currency changed hands so we could have Christophe Lepoint (2.5 year deal, gone in 6 months), Zakarya Bergdich (4 year deal, paid to leave after 1), Nicky Ajose, Charlie Kirk and Ronnie Schwartz. We signed Cory Gibbs and he didn't play a single minute in two years. Chuks can't be called good business but at least he's actually good when he plays and we like him! There's about 6 teams worth of absolutely unforgivable signings to get through before we're even allowed to think Chuks' name in this conversation
Woah, I’m not having Bougherra and Diawara in there.
And yet you must. Two absolutely atrocious pieces of business. Diawara was a good player in his career but he wasn't suitable for our team. Maybe if he joined a more stable team he might have settled better but in the end we spent £3.7m, which I think is our 4th highest transfer fee ever, on a centre back who struggled terribly and helped take us down to the Championship. We then sold him a year later for a £1.1m loss. Bougherra cost £2.5m in the January we were desperately trying to stay in the league and started two PL games, with 3 sub appearances. He's our 10th highest transfer (because we all know we didn't actually spend £2.5m on Jeffers). The positive for Bougherra is we sold him to Rangers at cost but not before he helped us finish 12th in the Championship. Thanks Madjid! £2.5m is what we spent on Darren Bent. It's what we spent on Danny Murphy (boo). Think about what Curbs could have done with £6.2m! He could do a whole season's transfers for that and have enough left over to still threaten to sign Julian Gray. Not the worst players we've ever had but unforgivably bad business.
Absolutely no room for sentiment re Chuks ..as popular as he might be we should work something out to terminate his contact and move on .
I’m not sure we can “work something out”. No other team will sign him, certainly not on the money that he’s on with us so there’s no chance of him agreeing to walk away with anything less than his contract paid up. In those circumstances we might as well keep him even if we can only get a handful of matches.
Absolutely no room for sentiment re Chuks ..as popular as he might be we should work something out to terminate his contact and move on .
I’m not sure we can “work something out”. No other team will sign him, certainly not on the money that he’s on with us so there’s no chance of him agreeing to walk away with anything less than his contract paid up. In those circumstances we might as well keep him even if we can only get a handful of matches.
Yep, I imagine he has an appropriate insurance and pension scheme in place as well.
Chucks is at an age when players start thinking about their post career prospects. I wonder if we can help him with the transition into coaching, support him get his badges, and use his experience to work with our forwards particularly kanu, Leaburn and Casey during his down time.
Nobody doubts Chuks attitude, he's just not up to the job. I can't imagine many of us that would be happy to work alongside a colleague that is off sick 30+ weeks a year. I knew a woman that did that for over 20 years and has finally had her contract ended after 18 months off.
There can be many differing health reasons, and I don't judge on the at, it is more about how a service, department, team or group can function, when somebody is so unreliable.
Who wants to own a car the breaks down every few weeks? We'd all get rid, no matter how fond.
If the reality is that he'd need paying to the end of his contract, then keep all day long. Chuks isn't Kirk. He tries and most importantly makes a difference as soon as he comes in, only in Chuks outings the difference is positive. Kirk we all know.
Maybe a sensible approach might have been a pay by match approach. Although on that basis Chuks would be turning up in a three wheel Reliant Robin instead of a top of the range jam jar. As his body ages he sure ain’t going to recover quicker so well done to the mastermind who decided a 3 year contract was a good idea with his track record. Unbelievable.
Did I read at the time he signed ...... that Chuks was originally offered a 2 and a half year contract on a higher wage - but instead it was negotiated by his agent to have the total worth of that contract rolled up and paid over 3 and a half years?
I posted on another thread that I think we must try and get Chuks into next preseason still fit. A properly structured full preseason could give us some player next season. The poor bloke is always playing catchup with his colleagues and I’m sure is desperate to show what he’s got to offer. If he’s still feeling that niggle then leave him out until he’s properly ready.
On the basis we don't lose any games he plays in, why don't we just wheel him onto the pitch and start him, then wheel him off again after 10 seconds? Job done. Promotion here we come.
I posted on another thread that I think we must try and get Chuks into next preseason still fit. A properly structured full preseason could give us some player next season. The poor bloke is always playing catchup with his colleagues and I’m sure is desperate to show what he’s got to offer. If he’s still feeling that niggle then leave him out until he’s properly ready.
The issue I think is the club not being more transparent about his various injuries.
When they are medium to long term just tell us.
This is down to NJ and I can understand it - why tell opponents so much about who’s available and when?
Don't really think the most recent quote addresses my wider point. We've consistently been 'under' informed as regards Chuks versus other players - it feels.
The issue I think is the club not being more transparent about his various injuries.
When they are medium to long term just tell us.
This is down to NJ and I can understand it - why tell opponents so much about who’s available and when?
Don't really think the most recent quote addresses my wider point. We've consistently been 'under' informed as regards Chuks versus other players - it feels.
Yeah agree the club have said less about him, but given what NJ has said that’s not going to change.
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In my view we would not have got the kick start to the season had he not made his cameos. Need to keep him but not rely on him for next season.
You can call his warm ups lazy, I would assume the club would have taken it up with him were they concerned that was the issue Doc
There can be many differing health reasons, and I don't judge on the at, it is more about how a service, department, team or group can function, when somebody is so unreliable.
Who wants to own a car the breaks down every few weeks? We'd all get rid, no matter how fond.
If the reality is that he'd need paying to the end of his contract, then keep all day long.
Chuks isn't Kirk. He tries and most importantly makes a difference as soon as he comes in, only in Chuks outings the difference is positive. Kirk we all know.