Very poor there has been zero comms on this. As a member of the Trusst and Bromley Addicks I have heard nothing, never mind what the 2 Fans Advisor's for all supporters have said nothing as well
The public facing side of the club is deteriorating. No stream of the U21 game for Charlton TV subscribers last Tuesday is an example. Tom Rubashow has been around since the days of Robinson, maybe he has become complacent.
I asked the comms team yesterday about this and they said the minutes are nearly ready.
It was a 2.5 hour meeting so a lot to type up and get checked but I agree that it is frustrating not to have them sooner.
I don't know what the delay is; in the transcribing, the checking, both or neither.
There are free audio transcribing tools in apps or on the internet that they could look into. If somebody is sitting there typing out every word, that's sounds like a waste of time.
Not excepting that as an excuse @Henry Irving that happened 22/Aug. SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.
Not excepting that as an excuse @Henry Irving that happened 22/Aug. SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.
yep, over a month ago and you'd expect he'd have to had worked a notice period too.
The audience for this SMT is the shareholders, who in turn are principally interested in financial performance over time. Building empathy with fans is going to be a long way down these people’s list. It’s a box ticking exercise only.
The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust. The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not. If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust. The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not. If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
Not excepting that as an excuse @Henry Irving that happened 22/Aug. SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.
I wasn't offering an excuses, just giving some background and a possible reason
The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust. The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not. If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
Why bother indeed? So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent? Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust. The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not. If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
Why bother indeed? So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent? Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
Why don't you try and find out?
Or if you feel your views aren't being represented, contact one of the groups
The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust. The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not. If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
Why bother indeed? So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent? Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
The museum is represented on the FF, along with various supporters groups and CAST.
I can assure you that there are no mysterious mandates.
To be fair there’s a long history of people “representing” groups that have no substance in practice. The club wouldn’t have a clue about that. I’m not saying I care or that those people had particular agendas but it’s hardly a model of democracy.
To be fair there’s a long history of people “representing” groups that have no substance in practice. The club wouldn’t have a clue. I’m not saying I care or that those people had particular agendas but it’s hardly a model of democracy.
Other than City Addicks which groups?
It's a forum for fans to communicate with the club, it's not a parliament or a local council so it isn't meant to be model of any form of elected democracy.
Is it perfect? Far from it but it's what we have and it does allow fans to speak directly to power. If the power listens depends on them but that's not the fans thought.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good and stifle one of few ways we gave of holding the SMT to account
To be fair there’s a long history of people “representing” groups that have no substance in practice. The club wouldn’t have a clue. I’m not saying I care or that those people had particular agendas but it’s hardly a model of democracy.
Other than City Addicks which groups?
It's a forum for fans to communicate with the club, it's not a parliament or a local council so doesn't model any form of democracy
Other than…
I haven’t said it matters. I organised the FF for a number of years and it was never perfect but you could go through the agendas of the last few years and find any number of groups that aren’t real groups - have no membership structure or rules - yet purport to represent one interest or another.
The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust. The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not. If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
Why bother indeed? So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent? Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
One person on the FF represents a group that hasn’t met for at least three/four years, doesn’t have a structure such as secretary, treasurer, committee members etc, doesn’t even have a ‘membership’ list and would have absolutely no idea of the views of the fans he would claim to represent.
I think the make up of the FF is bizarre, fan groups in far flung countries represented but no representation, for example, of those that use Valley Express week in, week out. And as said groups represented that realistically don’t even exist.
Sure some of the representation is questionable but at the end of the day, does it really matter? There’s hardly a queue of people wanting to get involved with these things, is there?
it’s a little shame that those attending seem to feel less inclined lately to mention anything afterwards that was discussed (you haven’t got to break confidences and can caveat the minutes will be the true record). But it would be nice to get a snippet or two even just to keep a bit of public interest in it. Otherwise there’s not too much point to it all.
Comments
It was a 2.5 hour meeting so a lot to type up and get checked but I agree that it is frustrating not to have them sooner.
I don't know what the delay is; in the transcribing, the checking, both or neither.
You expect us to have faith and trust in the SMT.
No stream of the U21 game for Charlton TV subscribers last Tuesday is an example.
Tom Rubashow has been around since the days of Robinson, maybe he has become complacent.
PR Charlie needs to have a word
This might be one reason why the Comms team is so stretched and things are being delayed.
SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.
The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent?
Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
Or if you feel your views aren't being represented, contact one of the groups
I can assure you that there are no mysterious mandates.
It's a forum for fans to communicate with the club, it's not a parliament or a local council so it isn't meant to be model of any form of elected democracy.
Is it perfect? Far from it but it's what we have and it does allow fans to speak directly to power. If the power listens depends on them but that's not the fans thought.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good and stifle one of few ways we gave of holding the SMT to account
I haven’t said it matters. I organised the FF for a number of years and it was never perfect but you could go through the agendas of the last few years and find any number of groups that aren’t real groups - have no membership structure or rules - yet purport to represent one interest or another.
I think the make up of the FF is bizarre, fan groups in far flung countries represented but no representation, for example, of those that use Valley Express week in, week out. And as said groups represented that realistically don’t even exist.
it’s a little shame that those attending seem to feel less inclined lately to mention anything afterwards that was discussed (you haven’t got to break confidences and can caveat the minutes will be the true record). But it would be nice to get a snippet or two even just to keep a bit of public interest in it. Otherwise there’s not too much point to it all.